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  • greenblood
    greenblood Member Posts: 14,566

    I don't hear anyone seriously denying outright that climate change exists. What I see is nuance, legitimate questions as to causation and proportion of it that is caused by human activity, etc.

    What I also see daily is the complete laziness of people like APAG who have not read the Green New Deal and do not understand how little it actually addresses climate change, versus how chock full of race-baiting and divisive bullshit it is, under the guise of equity, as though the white man is the root cause of any and all forms of pollution, climate change, environmental destruction and exploitation, and therefore must be dethroned and replaced by BIPOC people who's spiritual connection to the Earth is superior in every way, which will rightfully lead humanity back to the agrarian, organic, utopian world where people can return to mass starvation, diseases like polio and malaria, and all those other organic trappings that created such a perfect harmonious world before whitey came along and ruined it all.

    Posted this dozens of times. 12,000 years ago Chicago was under a mile of ice. Happened many times in the past. Now it isn't. Not one leftard wants to deal with this most basic fact. Human CO2 emissions had nothing to do with it. Just like asking a leftard how much should the US spend on reducing CO2 emissions and what will it accomplish. Toss in the non-serious proposed solutions, none of which entail nukes or shipping US LNG to Asia. Case closed.
    We aren’t not dealing with the fact, we think it’s laughably stupid. Hey guys, did you know a meteor caused the climate to change 12,000 years ago therefore humans can’t cause climate change?

    The air quality changed long before humans existed, therefore, humans can’t change the quality of the air.

    Earthquakes happened long before humans existed, therefore, humans can’t cause earthquake.

    You’re educationally sub-normal.
    You should post this on Twitter
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,408 Founders Club

    I don't hear anyone seriously denying outright that climate change exists. What I see is nuance, legitimate questions as to causation and proportion of it that is caused by human activity, etc.

    What I also see daily is the complete laziness of people like APAG who have not read the Green New Deal and do not understand how little it actually addresses climate change, versus how chock full of race-baiting and divisive bullshit it is, under the guise of equity, as though the white man is the root cause of any and all forms of pollution, climate change, environmental destruction and exploitation, and therefore must be dethroned and replaced by BIPOC people who's spiritual connection to the Earth is superior in every way, which will rightfully lead humanity back to the agrarian, organic, utopian world where people can return to mass starvation, diseases like polio and malaria, and all those other organic trappings that created such a perfect harmonious world before whitey came along and ruined it all.

    Posted this dozens of times. 12,000 years ago Chicago was under a mile of ice. Happened many times in the past. Now it isn't. Not one leftard wants to deal with this most basic fact. Human CO2 emissions had nothing to do with it. Just like asking a leftard how much should the US spend on reducing CO2 emissions and what will it accomplish. Toss in the non-serious proposed solutions, none of which entail nukes or shipping US LNG to Asia. Case closed.
    We aren’t not dealing with the fact, we think it’s laughably stupid. Hey guys, did you know a meteor caused the climate to change 12,000 years ago therefore humans can’t cause climate change?

    The air quality changed long before humans existed, therefore, humans can’t change the quality of the air.

    Earthquakes happened long before humans existed, therefore, humans can’t cause earthquake.

    You’re educationally sub-normal.
    This was a stupid post

    Do better

    If you want to off several billion people and destroy the quality of life for those left you are going to have to prove your bullshit not deflect from it

    The planet is billions of years old and humans aren't

    Prove your theories of how much climate change humans have caused and what your remedies will actually do

    Meanwhile I will enjoy my AC as usual

    The burden of proof is on you and the ten year clock is ticking fast.

    Pro tip for your cult - never put an end date on it. Plenty of Elmer Gantry types made that same mistake
  • TheKobeStopper
    TheKobeStopper Member Posts: 5,959

    I don't hear anyone seriously denying outright that climate change exists. What I see is nuance, legitimate questions as to causation and proportion of it that is caused by human activity, etc.

    What I also see daily is the complete laziness of people like APAG who have not read the Green New Deal and do not understand how little it actually addresses climate change, versus how chock full of race-baiting and divisive bullshit it is, under the guise of equity, as though the white man is the root cause of any and all forms of pollution, climate change, environmental destruction and exploitation, and therefore must be dethroned and replaced by BIPOC people who's spiritual connection to the Earth is superior in every way, which will rightfully lead humanity back to the agrarian, organic, utopian world where people can return to mass starvation, diseases like polio and malaria, and all those other organic trappings that created such a perfect harmonious world before whitey came along and ruined it all.

    Posted this dozens of times. 12,000 years ago Chicago was under a mile of ice. Happened many times in the past. Now it isn't. Not one leftard wants to deal with this most basic fact. Human CO2 emissions had nothing to do with it. Just like asking a leftard how much should the US spend on reducing CO2 emissions and what will it accomplish. Toss in the non-serious proposed solutions, none of which entail nukes or shipping US LNG to Asia. Case closed.
    We aren’t not dealing with the fact, we think it’s laughably stupid. Hey guys, did you know a meteor caused the climate to change 12,000 years ago therefore humans can’t cause climate change?

    The air quality changed long before humans existed, therefore, humans can’t change the quality of the air.

    Earthquakes happened long before humans existed, therefore, humans can’t cause earthquake.

    You’re educationally sub-normal.
    This was a stupid post

    Do better

    If you want to off several billion people and destroy the quality of life for those left you are going to have to prove your bullshit not deflect from it

    The planet is billions of years old and humans aren't

    Prove your theories of how much climate change humans have caused and what your remedies will actually do

    Meanwhile I will enjoy my AC as usual

    The burden of proof is on you and the ten year clock is ticking fast.

    Pro tip for your cult - never put an end date on it. Plenty of Elmer Gantry types made that same mistake
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-why-scientists-think-100-of-global-warming-is-due-to-humans/amp

    However, the science on the human contribution to modern warming is quite clear. Humans emissions and activities have caused around 100% of the warming observed since 1950

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/climate-explained-how-much-of-climate-change-is-natural-how-much-is-man-made-123604

    For nearly all climate scientists, the case is proven that humans are the overwhelming cause of the long-term changes in the climate that we are observing. And that this case should be closed.

    https://www.wwf.org.uk/updates/10-myths-about-climate-change

    Over the course of the Earth’s 4.5-billion-year history, the climate has changed a lot. This is true. But the rapid warming we’re seeing now can't be explained by natural cycles of warming and cooling. The kind of changes that would normally happen over hundreds of thousands of years are happening in decades.

    You wanted to tussle, we tussled.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,213
    One thing that I think is important in any discussion is to leverage the past to inform us in the future ... but ultimately what I care about is what we do today forward and not about assign blame about the events of the past

    The reason? I can’t change what HAS happened ... I can only change what CAN happen going forward
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,209 Founders Club
    I’m no denier of what caused what, frankly don’t really care. What I’m skeptical of is how big of a deal it actually is based on the proposed remedies. If it was truly the end of the world, then you need to strip the racial equity part out of the GND out immediately as it’s not relevant. It takes away any credibility from the climate portion of it.

    If it was the existential threat you say it is, then we should be at war with China already over their non actions. Get them on board with an actual equal bilateral treaty before actual change is made and current jobs are cut and I’m willing to talk. Cutting off your own balls without China doing the same is going to be a disaster economically and eventually environmentally as they’ll continue to grow faster and gain market share with such a huge advantage.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,051 Standard Supporter
    Tequilla said:

    One thing that I think is important in any discussion is to leverage the past to inform us in the future ... but ultimately what I care about is what we do today forward and not about assign blame about the events of the past

    The reason? I can’t change what HAS happened ... I can only change what CAN happen going forward

    Reject the 1619 Project at your peril. Equity says flip the script.

    No improvements or refinements necessary. That's just your whiteness talking.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,051 Standard Supporter
    Bob_C said:

    I’m no denier of what caused what, frankly don’t really care. What I’m skeptical of is how big of a deal it actually is based on the proposed remedies. If it was truly the end of the world, then you need to strip the racial equity part out of the GND out immediately as it’s not relevant. It takes away any credibility from the climate portion of it.

    If it was the existential threat you say it is, then we should be at war with China already over their non actions. Get them on board with an actual equal bilateral treaty before actual change is made and current jobs are cut and I’m willing to talk. Cutting off your own balls without China doing the same is going to be a disaster economically and eventually environmentally as they’ll continue to grow faster and gain market share with such a huge advantage.

    Without the Trojan Horse of Equity, the GND is DOA.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,408 Founders Club

    I don't hear anyone seriously denying outright that climate change exists. What I see is nuance, legitimate questions as to causation and proportion of it that is caused by human activity, etc.

    What I also see daily is the complete laziness of people like APAG who have not read the Green New Deal and do not understand how little it actually addresses climate change, versus how chock full of race-baiting and divisive bullshit it is, under the guise of equity, as though the white man is the root cause of any and all forms of pollution, climate change, environmental destruction and exploitation, and therefore must be dethroned and replaced by BIPOC people who's spiritual connection to the Earth is superior in every way, which will rightfully lead humanity back to the agrarian, organic, utopian world where people can return to mass starvation, diseases like polio and malaria, and all those other organic trappings that created such a perfect harmonious world before whitey came along and ruined it all.

    Posted this dozens of times. 12,000 years ago Chicago was under a mile of ice. Happened many times in the past. Now it isn't. Not one leftard wants to deal with this most basic fact. Human CO2 emissions had nothing to do with it. Just like asking a leftard how much should the US spend on reducing CO2 emissions and what will it accomplish. Toss in the non-serious proposed solutions, none of which entail nukes or shipping US LNG to Asia. Case closed.
    We aren’t not dealing with the fact, we think it’s laughably stupid. Hey guys, did you know a meteor caused the climate to change 12,000 years ago therefore humans can’t cause climate change?

    The air quality changed long before humans existed, therefore, humans can’t change the quality of the air.

    Earthquakes happened long before humans existed, therefore, humans can’t cause earthquake.

    You’re educationally sub-normal.
    This was a stupid post

    Do better

    If you want to off several billion people and destroy the quality of life for those left you are going to have to prove your bullshit not deflect from it

    The planet is billions of years old and humans aren't

    Prove your theories of how much climate change humans have caused and what your remedies will actually do

    Meanwhile I will enjoy my AC as usual

    The burden of proof is on you and the ten year clock is ticking fast.

    Pro tip for your cult - never put an end date on it. Plenty of Elmer Gantry types made that same mistake
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-why-scientists-think-100-of-global-warming-is-due-to-humans/amp

    However, the science on the human contribution to modern warming is quite clear. Humans emissions and activities have caused around 100% of the warming observed since 1950

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/climate-explained-how-much-of-climate-change-is-natural-how-much-is-man-made-123604

    For nearly all climate scientists, the case is proven that humans are the overwhelming cause of the long-term changes in the climate that we are observing. And that this case should be closed.

    https://www.wwf.org.uk/updates/10-myths-about-climate-change

    Over the course of the Earth’s 4.5-billion-year history, the climate has changed a lot. This is true. But the rapid warming we’re seeing now can't be explained by natural cycles of warming and cooling. The kind of changes that would normally happen over hundreds of thousands of years are happening in decades.

    You wanted to tussle, we tussled.
    I'm interested in your opinion and thoughts not a bunch of linked malarkey that doesn't address anything I wrote
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,884 Standard Supporter
    A mile of ice. Then no ice. Seems like a lot of warming. Romans were growing wine grapes in England once upon a time. Once upon a time Greenland was green. Then it wasn't and they all died or fled. I blame the internal combustion engine.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,213

    Tequilla said:

    One thing that I think is important in any discussion is to leverage the past to inform us in the future ... but ultimately what I care about is what we do today forward and not about assign blame about the events of the past

    The reason? I can’t change what HAS happened ... I can only change what CAN happen going forward

    Reject the 1619 Project at your peril. Equity says flip the script.

    No improvements or refinements necessary. That's just your whiteness talking.
    Nothing I do today changes what happened over the last 400 years ...

    I’m all about solving problems ...

    As with any problem, you have to want to solve the problem to actually solve the problem ... is this country really ready to address problems and come together as one?