Stafford to Rams, Goff and picks to Lions

RoadDawg55 said:

Rams wanted Goff gone. Stafford has never won anything and is an “arm talent” type. A slightly better, less grumpy Jay Cutler.

Goff is roughly equal to Stafford. Giving up two first round picks on top of Goff is crazy. Lions fleeced them.

I think Stafford is a bigger step up than you. Goff is bad, maybe 25ish best QB and that might be overrating him. Stafford is mid tier, 12-15 range. He's going to open up that offense a lot for McVeigh.

It's definitely steep and I think the Rams paid too much but they're going to be a much better team in 2021.

I think Stafford is also $12 million cheaper per year.

Stafford is pretty talented ... the Lions are a real fucked up organization.

I'd equate Stafford to Carson Palmer ... both talented dudes with crappy franchises that later in their career will jump up big time with a change in scenery. Don't be shocked if Stafford and some MVP discussion shows up for the first 1-2 months of the season next year.

Goff's biggest problem is that he's just not that tough (physically or mentally). If everything is working right for him he's very good. As soon as shit goes sideways he's a complete dear in the headlights kind of guy. Stafford on the other hand shows up and plays weekly regardless of what's bothering him and his toughness is fairly obvious.

With the Rams cap situation, the extra picks for the Lions taking on Goff is 2 fold because not only did they need to shed Goff's contract, but they needed to make sure that they weren't bringing on big contracts with rookies that they didn't have room for. The fact that the picks are in future drafts just pushes down the immediate value anyway.

Tequilla said:

Stafford is pretty talented ... the Lions are a real fucked up organization.

I'd equate Stafford to Carson Palmer ... both talented dudes with crappy franchises that later in their career will jump up big time with a change in scenery. Don't be shocked if Stafford and some MVP discussion shows up for the first 1-2 months of the season next year.

Goff's biggest problem is that he's just not that tough (physically or mentally). If everything is working right for him he's very good. As soon as shit goes sideways he's a complete dear in the headlights kind of guy. Stafford on the other hand shows up and plays weekly regardless of what's bothering him and his toughness is fairly obvious.

With the Rams cap situation, the extra picks for the Lions taking on Goff is 2 fold because not only did they need to shed Goff's contract, but they needed to make sure that they weren't bringing on big contracts with rookies that they didn't have room for. The fact that the picks are in future drafts just pushes down the immediate value anyway.

I have a hard time saying someone that played with a broken thumb isn’t physically tough. Goff isn’t great, but he’s a solid starter.

Rookie contracts aren’t very expensive either, especially when those picks fall in the late first round.

I had an argument/discussion discussion about how teams pay big money for QB’s that aren’t needle movers.

Stafford was somebody I said I wouldn’t pay big money too. Matt Ryan was another and he’s been better and more successful than Stafford. Kirk Cousins is another. It’s status quo to pay a QB big money when the time comes if he isn’t a disaster. I would argue it’s not really the optimal way to become a real contender and not just a 10-6 team, but 10-6 keeps coaches and gm’s around for a year or two longer.

The Rams wanted a new QB. They jumped the gun, talked themselves into, and settled for Stafford after being turned down for Rodgers. Now they are in a new marriage with another mid tier QB and gave up first rounders to go so.

RaceBannon said:

With the draft picks Detroit could end up the winner here

There is always the possibility Goff gets better and plays at the level he did a few years ago too. If he does and one of the draft picks becomes a good starter, they have won the trade.

Stafford has to be markedly better and the Rams need to win a Super Bowl for the trade to be worth it.

I think McVay is a very good coach and knows QB’s, but Stafford is an old guard, arm talent QB that isn’t actually good.

RoadDawg55 said:

Tequilla said:

Stafford is pretty talented ... the Lions are a real fucked up organization.

I'd equate Stafford to Carson Palmer ... both talented dudes with crappy franchises that later in their career will jump up big time with a change in scenery. Don't be shocked if Stafford and some MVP discussion shows up for the first 1-2 months of the season next year.

Goff's biggest problem is that he's just not that tough (physically or mentally). If everything is working right for him he's very good. As soon as shit goes sideways he's a complete dear in the headlights kind of guy. Stafford on the other hand shows up and plays weekly regardless of what's bothering him and his toughness is fairly obvious.

With the Rams cap situation, the extra picks for the Lions taking on Goff is 2 fold because not only did they need to shed Goff's contract, but they needed to make sure that they weren't bringing on big contracts with rookies that they didn't have room for. The fact that the picks are in future drafts just pushes down the immediate value anyway.

I have a hard time saying someone that played with a broken thumb isn’t physically tough. Goff isn’t great, but he’s a solid starter.

Rookie contracts aren’t very expensive either, especially when those picks fall in the late first round.

I had an argument/discussion discussion about how teams pay big money for QB’s that aren’t needle movers.

Stafford was somebody I said I wouldn’t pay big money too. Matt Ryan was another and he’s been better and more successful than Stafford. Kirk Cousins is another. It’s status quo to pay a QB big money when the time comes if he isn’t a disaster. I would argue it’s not really the optimal way to become a real contender and not just a 10-6 team, but 10-6 keeps coaches and gm’s around for a year or two longer.

The Rams wanted a new QB. They jumped the gun, talked themselves into, and settled for Stafford after being turned down for Rodgers. Now they are in a new marriage with another mid tier QB and gave up first rounders to go so.

Matt Ryan isn't a terrible comparison actually ... biggest difference between Stafford and Ryan is that the Falcons have typically had a better organization structure surrounding Ryan. That said, the last few years that organization has basically suffered the breakdown from blowing the Super Bowl and they desperately need an overall reset.

If Stafford gets the Rams back to the Super Bowl it's a successful trade for the Rams.

You talk about Goff being tough with a broken thumb ... Stafford played through a broken back this year. Stafford's ability to play through injuries and at a high level is well known.

As for rookie contracts ... you're not wrong. That said, with what the Rams cap situation looks like at the top of the roster makes every $$$ that they can save matter. Whether it's the right way to build a roster is a complete different discussion.

DerekJohnson said:

DerekJohnson said:

This move improves the Rams and they now have a two-year window to be great.

Good call