Stafford to Rams, Goff and picks to Lions
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Stafford is pretty talented ... the Lions are a real fucked up organization.
I'd equate Stafford to Carson Palmer ... both talented dudes with crappy franchises that later in their career will jump up big time with a change in scenery. Don't be shocked if Stafford and some MVP discussion shows up for the first 1-2 months of the season next year.
Goff's biggest problem is that he's just not that tough (physically or mentally). If everything is working right for him he's very good. As soon as shit goes sideways he's a complete dear in the headlights kind of guy. Stafford on the other hand shows up and plays weekly regardless of what's bothering him and his toughness is fairly obvious.
With the Rams cap situation, the extra picks for the Lions taking on Goff is 2 fold because not only did they need to shed Goff's contract, but they needed to make sure that they weren't bringing on big contracts with rookies that they didn't have room for. The fact that the picks are in future drafts just pushes down the immediate value anyway. -
I would compare the Lions to the Clippers. The Clippers were underachieving losers for years regardless of their talent because of the organization and ownership above them. They still kinda are, but you can tell that the franchise is in a better place to succeed simply because Sterling was forced to sell. I think the Lions are the same sort of situation.RoadDawg55 said:
Stafford has been in the league a long time. Yeah, it’s Detroit, but if a QB plays 12 years for a team, you have to win some playoff games. He’s nothing special.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Stafford is much more of a talent than Goff. Put most QB's in Detroit and they aren't going to win. Watson sucked in Houston this past year if you judge based on record.RoadDawg55 said:Rams wanted Goff gone. Stafford has never won anything and is an “arm talent” type. A slightly better, less grumpy Jay Cutler.
Goff is roughly equal to Stafford. Giving up two first round picks on top of Goff is crazy. Lions fleeced them.
Credit to LA for wanting to win and paying to do it. The first round picks they gave up are going to be very low 1st rounders. Teams reading for Watson are giving up a high-end 1st round pick. -
Stafford is an underwear legend
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I get what you're saying here. 74 - 90 - 1 record in Detroit and only 1 pro bowl selection. Maybe he's just a good stats on a bad team guy. But it's the Lions. He has one year to prove it in LA and shake that label. ATBS, there's no way LA isn't a better team next season.RaceBannon said:Stafford is an underwear legend
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I have a hard time saying someone that played with a broken thumb isn’t physically tough. Goff isn’t great, but he’s a solid starter.Tequilla said:Stafford is pretty talented ... the Lions are a real fucked up organization.
I'd equate Stafford to Carson Palmer ... both talented dudes with crappy franchises that later in their career will jump up big time with a change in scenery. Don't be shocked if Stafford and some MVP discussion shows up for the first 1-2 months of the season next year.
Goff's biggest problem is that he's just not that tough (physically or mentally). If everything is working right for him he's very good. As soon as shit goes sideways he's a complete dear in the headlights kind of guy. Stafford on the other hand shows up and plays weekly regardless of what's bothering him and his toughness is fairly obvious.
With the Rams cap situation, the extra picks for the Lions taking on Goff is 2 fold because not only did they need to shed Goff's contract, but they needed to make sure that they weren't bringing on big contracts with rookies that they didn't have room for. The fact that the picks are in future drafts just pushes down the immediate value anyway.
Rookie contracts aren’t very expensive either, especially when those picks fall in the late first round.
I had an argument/discussion discussion about how teams pay big money for QB’s that aren’t needle movers.
Stafford was somebody I said I wouldn’t pay big money too. Matt Ryan was another and he’s been better and more successful than Stafford. Kirk Cousins is another. It’s status quo to pay a QB big money when the time comes if he isn’t a disaster. I would argue it’s not really the optimal way to become a real contender and not just a 10-6 team, but 10-6 keeps coaches and gm’s around for a year or two longer.
The Rams wanted a new QB. They jumped the gun, talked themselves into, and settled for Stafford after being turned down for Rodgers. Now they are in a new marriage with another mid tier QB and gave up first rounders to go so. -
With the draft picks Detroit could end up the winner here
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There is always the possibility Goff gets better and plays at the level he did a few years ago too. If he does and one of the draft picks becomes a good starter, they have won the trade.RaceBannon said:With the draft picks Detroit could end up the winner here
Stafford has to be markedly better and the Rams need to win a Super Bowl for the trade to be worth it.
I think McVay is a very good coach and knows QB’s, but Stafford is an old guard, arm talent QB that isn’t actually good. -
If the Rams have a big season in 2021, both teams could end up winners in the dealRaceBannon said:With the draft picks Detroit could end up the winner here
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Matt Ryan isn't a terrible comparison actually ... biggest difference between Stafford and Ryan is that the Falcons have typically had a better organization structure surrounding Ryan. That said, the last few years that organization has basically suffered the breakdown from blowing the Super Bowl and they desperately need an overall reset.RoadDawg55 said:
I have a hard time saying someone that played with a broken thumb isn’t physically tough. Goff isn’t great, but he’s a solid starter.Tequilla said:Stafford is pretty talented ... the Lions are a real fucked up organization.
I'd equate Stafford to Carson Palmer ... both talented dudes with crappy franchises that later in their career will jump up big time with a change in scenery. Don't be shocked if Stafford and some MVP discussion shows up for the first 1-2 months of the season next year.
Goff's biggest problem is that he's just not that tough (physically or mentally). If everything is working right for him he's very good. As soon as shit goes sideways he's a complete dear in the headlights kind of guy. Stafford on the other hand shows up and plays weekly regardless of what's bothering him and his toughness is fairly obvious.
With the Rams cap situation, the extra picks for the Lions taking on Goff is 2 fold because not only did they need to shed Goff's contract, but they needed to make sure that they weren't bringing on big contracts with rookies that they didn't have room for. The fact that the picks are in future drafts just pushes down the immediate value anyway.
Rookie contracts aren’t very expensive either, especially when those picks fall in the late first round.
I had an argument/discussion discussion about how teams pay big money for QB’s that aren’t needle movers.
Stafford was somebody I said I wouldn’t pay big money too. Matt Ryan was another and he’s been better and more successful than Stafford. Kirk Cousins is another. It’s status quo to pay a QB big money when the time comes if he isn’t a disaster. I would argue it’s not really the optimal way to become a real contender and not just a 10-6 team, but 10-6 keeps coaches and gm’s around for a year or two longer.
The Rams wanted a new QB. They jumped the gun, talked themselves into, and settled for Stafford after being turned down for Rodgers. Now they are in a new marriage with another mid tier QB and gave up first rounders to go so.
If Stafford gets the Rams back to the Super Bowl it's a successful trade for the Rams.
You talk about Goff being tough with a broken thumb ... Stafford played through a broken back this year. Stafford's ability to play through injuries and at a high level is well known.
As for rookie contracts ... you're not wrong. That said, with what the Rams cap situation looks like at the top of the roster makes every $$$ that they can save matter. Whether it's the right way to build a roster is a complete different discussion. -
