Running Backs Suck
McGrew does a couple nice things and has some edge speed but he's probably the 8th-10th best back in the league.
Pleasant does a couple nice things every game, but see above.
Newton, who the fuck knows anymore.
Davis: the only guy that flashes above average burst and power at the same time.
Why you think you need to handoff to these guys 40 times between the tackles in order to set up 3-5 good play action plays is just stupid.
And Stanford gave up 269 yards rushing to Cal last week, who sucks on offense.
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Davis also has shown ++ hands. He's potentially a real stud. The depth chart is almost inverse to what my eyes are seeing.
I definitely have not been of the mind that Pleasant is "Zeke-esque," which I think was someone's assessment on here. -
Give davis 15 carries. Everyone else gets 0. Throw every play that’s not a Cam Davis carry. Profit.
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O line got used and abused 2 weeks in a row in the run game. Big problem right there
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I think JonDon has gradually fixed some things with this offense, like commiting more to outside running. But too little too late, too slowly.BeerThirty said:O line got used and abused 2 weeks in a row in the run game. Big problem right there
Also, who wears a "Runn the Damn Ball Hat" and then gets stuffed on the ground by Utah and Stanford? I feel like we're going to insist on running the ball because of that fucking hat. -
I think people dont want to admit this because they dont wanna rip Kamari and Sean cuz theyre good kids. But this is Baccelia Fuller all over again, Pleasant is improved, but he is not a #1 back by any means. We have had stud RBs for over a decade until Gaskin left, Rankin, Polk, Sankey, Washington, Coleman, Gaskin.... then we had the Salvon year, never preformed close to the others before. Now its Pleasant and McGrew... Let me ask you, how confident in any game are you Pleasant can/will get 100 yards? that should be the standard for UW RBs. "We have 4 starters" really means "we have 4 backups". And we continue to make excuses and stunt Cam Davis growth, young RBs do great a lot of the time, Cam Davis is the one dude who can give us a complete/explosive run game and they give him >4 carries a game, he is the future of that RB room, dont waste him on the bench and have him be learning to play next season. No idea whats going on with Newton, if its really performance, he misses plays but he brings energy and he makes plays the others dont, we need his shit talking crazy ass out there... Davis is the one complete back, play any of the other 3 and you are limiting yourself offensively because well, Mcgrew is the only one with big play potential and he is 5'6 so with him your short game is impaired. I do like Adams, Sunday and Berry, but you really need elite play at RB if youre going to win big boy games, feed Davis and invest in the future. RB and MLB play are so important and both those rooms and coaches have shat the bed so many times they could have been fired years ago... can Jimmy fire his friends? KB is plus sized Jimmy Lake JR, feel like KB and Jimmy are very very close friends, does he have the balls? and get gregory a Lubbick job
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Holy shit that’s a lot words for a paragraph.BowDownDeathRow said:I think people dont want to admit this because they dont wanna rip Kamari and Sean cuz theyre good kids. But this is Baccelia Fuller all over again, Pleasant is improved, but he is not a #1 back by any means. We have had stud RBs for over a decade until Gaskin left, Rankin, Polk, Sankey, Washington, Coleman, Gaskin.... then we had the Salvon year, never preformed close to the others before. Now its Pleasant and McGrew... Let me ask you, how confident in any game are you Pleasant can/will get 100 yards? that should be the standard for UW RBs. "We have 4 starters" really means "we have 4 backups". And we continue to make excuses and stunt Cam Davis growth, young RBs do great a lot of the time, Cam Davis is the one dude who can give us a complete/explosive run game and they give him >4 carries a game, he is the future of that RB room, dont waste him on the bench and have him be learning to play next season. No idea whats going on with Newton, if its really performance, he misses plays but he brings energy and he makes plays the others dont, we need his shit talking crazy ass out there... Davis is the one complete back, play any of the other 3 and you are limiting yourself offensively because well, Mcgrew is the only one with big play potential and he is 5'6 so with him your short game is impaired. I do like Adams, Sunday and Berry, but you really need elite play at RB if youre going to win big boy games, feed Davis and invest in the future. RB and MLB play are so important and both those rooms and coaches have shat the bed so many times they could have been fired years ago... can Jimmy fire his friends? KB is plus sized Jimmy Lake JR, feel like KB and Jimmy are very very close friends, does he have the balls? and get gregory a Lubbick job
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*ramblelawsandl said:
Holy shit that’s a lot words for a paragraph.BowDownDeathRow said:I think people dont want to admit this because they dont wanna rip Kamari and Sean cuz theyre good kids. But this is Baccelia Fuller all over again, Pleasant is improved, but he is not a #1 back by any means. We have had stud RBs for over a decade until Gaskin left, Rankin, Polk, Sankey, Washington, Coleman, Gaskin.... then we had the Salvon year, never preformed close to the others before. Now its Pleasant and McGrew... Let me ask you, how confident in any game are you Pleasant can/will get 100 yards? that should be the standard for UW RBs. "We have 4 starters" really means "we have 4 backups". And we continue to make excuses and stunt Cam Davis growth, young RBs do great a lot of the time, Cam Davis is the one dude who can give us a complete/explosive run game and they give him >4 carries a game, he is the future of that RB room, dont waste him on the bench and have him be learning to play next season. No idea whats going on with Newton, if its really performance, he misses plays but he brings energy and he makes plays the others dont, we need his shit talking crazy ass out there... Davis is the one complete back, play any of the other 3 and you are limiting yourself offensively because well, Mcgrew is the only one with big play potential and he is 5'6 so with him your short game is impaired. I do like Adams, Sunday and Berry, but you really need elite play at RB if youre going to win big boy games, feed Davis and invest in the future. RB and MLB play are so important and both those rooms and coaches have shat the bed so many times they could have been fired years ago... can Jimmy fire his friends? KB is plus sized Jimmy Lake JR, feel like KB and Jimmy are very very close friends, does he have the balls? and get gregory a Lubbick job
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The RB rotation is strange but when guys run into the back oline because there are no holes it’s hard to run forward.
It’s been mentioned before jimmy has arrogance problem.
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I blame scheme and personnel choices way more than the RBs themselves. Why Jon Don insists on slamming our 175 pound RB into the A gaps run after run is mystifying. And yeah, Cam and Dick need to see the ball a lot more.
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Jimmy Lake has a well documented arrogance problem.Kingdome_Urinals said:
I think JonDon has gradually fixed some things with this offense, like commiting more to outside running. But too little too late, too slowly.BeerThirty said:O line got used and abused 2 weeks in a row in the run game. Big problem right there
Also, who wears a "Runn the Damn Ball Hat" and then gets stuffed on the ground by Utah and Stanford? I feel like we're going to insist on running the ball because of that fucking hat. -
Giving McGrew a few carries is fine. Pleasant shouldn’t get any.
I had a feeling this four RB shit wouldn’t work. You can’t get four guys in a rhythm. I remember USC did it after Bush/White and it hurt the rhythm of their offense. UW is doing it now with even worse backs than USC had.
Stick with two guys. Give Davis 10+ and McGrew 5. Pleasant can come in for a couple third downs, maybe two min offense since they like his blocking so much.
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I assume a big reason why Pleasant got multiple second half carries despite not producing is they needed him in the game as the team's best pass-blocking RB.
...which they needed because they were so far behind. Which again points to a retarded scheme/game plan that got them in that position.
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Our running game is absolute shit in all 3 phases. The running plays are repetitive, the interior o line is bad, and the running backs are not good (Davis shows promise).
I'd be all for a pass heavy offense from here on out.
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Agree,RoadDawg55 said:Giving McGrew a few carries is fine. Pleasant shouldn’t get any.
I had a feeling this four RB shit wouldn’t work. You can’t get four guys in a rhythm. I remember USC did it after Bush/White and it hurt the rhythm of their offense. UW is doing it now with even worse backs than USC had.
Stick with two guys. Give Davis 10+ and McGrew 5. Pleasant can come in for a couple third downs, maybe two min offense since they like his blocking so much.
Take the training wheels off Morris. He’s earned it.
But the relatively pedestrian running game has a lot more to do with well below average run blocking by the OL than the JAG RBs and their shitty rotation. -
You’d think a running backs coach would do better
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Yeah the o line run blocking is some of the worst I've seen. No push, no opening holes, just snapping the ball and then falling into each otherHouhusky said:
Agree,RoadDawg55 said:Giving McGrew a few carries is fine. Pleasant shouldn’t get any.
I had a feeling this four RB shit wouldn’t work. You can’t get four guys in a rhythm. I remember USC did it after Bush/White and it hurt the rhythm of their offense. UW is doing it now with even worse backs than USC had.
Stick with two guys. Give Davis 10+ and McGrew 5. Pleasant can come in for a couple third downs, maybe two min offense since they like his blocking so much.
Take the training wheels off Morris. He’s earned it.
But the relatively pedestrian running game has a lot more to do with well below average run blocking by the OL than the JAG RBs and their shitty rotation. -
The good news is that even Mario and his sec line suck running this year
Cal is actually better at running than either UO or UW. They practice what we run our mouth about. Cal had Stanford beat 3 ways until they turned over the game. Cal gashed the ducks but even so need passing to actually finish the drives.
You need to be good at everything to be a good team
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Cal averaged 1.9 yard a carry against OregonRaceBannon said:The good news is that even Mario and his sec line suck running this year
Cal is actually better at running than either UO or UW. They practice what we run our mouth about. Cal had Stanford beat 3 ways until they turned over the game. Cal gashed the ducks but even so need passing to actually finish the drives.
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What am I missing on Cam Davis that everyone loves him so much? Is it a stars thing?
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He had the 2 best runs of the night.GrundleStiltzkin said:What am I missing on Cam Davis that everyone loves him so much? Is it a stars thing?
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Maybe the weight Pleasent has added has helped with blocking but he still runs like he's 205. Still too soft. He got easily dropped by a 190 lb DB yesterday on a play where he had him in insolation. His best play on the year is a spin move out of a tackle. I'm struggling to think of an example where he's really trucked anyone.
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Ty >>>> Sark.backthepack said:
He had the 2 best runs of the night.GrundleStiltzkin said:What am I missing on Cam Davis that everyone loves him so much? Is it a stars thing?
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He had like 4 carries?CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
Ty >>>> Sark.backthepack said:
He had the 2 best runs of the night.GrundleStiltzkin said:What am I missing on Cam Davis that everyone loves him so much? Is it a stars thing?
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I wouldn't really say the running backs "Suck", but there definitely isn't that one guy who can be counted on to do it all. The bigger problem I see is the play calling, especially early on in games.
Teams have learned that we want to establish the run game early so they're loading up the box and daring them to run, and instead of adjusting and being aggressive and attacking them downfield when they do this, they just line up and run straight into an 8 man front over and over again for an entire half.
That's not to say they aren't making adjustments on offense, but those adjustments are happening too late. Donovan seems to be content to wait till the 2nd half to open up the offense, and that almost came back to bite them last week, and this week it did. -
In the Arizona game, he had 2-3 really impressive catches, and the run where he dragged 8 defenders. Those feats, to me, are context neutral, and can't be discounted "because everyone raped Arizona."GrundleStiltzkin said:What am I missing on Cam Davis that everyone loves him so much? Is it a stars thing?
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He always ran without power. It has nothing to do with weight. He had a great run against Arizona too, but he’s horrible in traffic.RedRocket said:Maybe the weight Pleasent has added has helped with blocking but he still runs like he's 205. Still too soft. He got easily dropped by a 190 lb DB yesterday on a play where he had him in insolation. His best play on the year is a spin move out of a tackle. I'm struggling to think of an example where he's really trucked anyone.
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Neither McGrew or Pleasant, or Newton for that matter, can shed a defender, break a tackle or make something happen that is not provided for them by the Oline. Those are things really good RBs must do.
Within the context of what UW is trying to do, they pretty much suck. I don't take pleasure in saying that.
Here are the Pac teams with better RBs getting volume carries. ASU, UCLA, Oregon St., Utah (that freshman), USC (Carr), Stanford (Jones).
That's half the Pac-12 with more talented lead runners. UW should never be in that position.
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Wayyy too much attention on the RBs.
Yes Mcgrew is the best back overall and he is average at best. Probably 90% of what you'd like out of a RB1.
People have mentioned there are no broken tackles or misses made but thats not something they've had the opportunity to do.
The Oline has made very few holes.
The Oline has made very holes because of the scheming.
If we take the 4 fattest dudes from this site and tell them to stay tight in the middle and not get pushed backwards they could probably do that relatively well. Its thinking and moving for every other situation that makes it exponentially more difficult. The other teams are basically taking the inside run away without worrying about anything else.
Play calling is screwing the oline and the oline is screwing the rbs
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Why don't you just come out and say me and 3 other fatties?Canadawg said:Wayyy too much attention on the RBs.
Yes Mcgrew is the best back overall and he is average at best. Probably 90% of what you'd like out of a RB1.
People have mentioned there are no broken tackles or misses made but thats not something they've had the opportunity to do.
The Oline has made very few holes.
The Oline has made very holes because of the scheming.
If we take the 4 fattest dudes from this site and tell them to stay tight in the middle and not get pushed backwards they could probably do that relatively well. Its thinking and moving for every other situation that makes it exponentially more difficult. The other teams are basically taking the inside run away without worrying about anything else.
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CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
Why don't you just come out and say me and 3 other fatties?Canadawg said:Wayyy too much attention on the RBs.
Yes Mcgrew is the best back overall and he is average at best. Probably 90% of what you'd like out of a RB1.
People have mentioned there are no broken tackles or misses made but thats not something they've had the opportunity to do.
The Oline has made very few holes.
The Oline has made very holes because of the scheming.
If we take the 4 fattest dudes from this site and tell them to stay tight in the middle and not get pushed backwards they could probably do that relatively well. Its thinking and moving for every other situation that makes it exponentially more difficult. The other teams are basically taking the inside run away without worrying about anything else.
Play calling is screwing the oline and the oline is screwing the rbs
