Controlled study from Denmark; masks don’t work
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First the smallpox came for my people, and I said nothing....RaceBannon said:
And you're high risk for infectionSwaye said:I see the haters of liberty have swarmed in to tell how this study is flawed and to trust Inslee, Newsome and Brown, the triumvirate of all that is science.
Full disclosure masks don't bother me much at all, and I wear them anytim a business posts it, without complaint. It's the lockdowns and business restrictions that I am mostly carping about. In fact, if masks and masks mandates work so well, then why do we even need lockdowns? Dissonant positions but what do I know? I'm a dumb minority.
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zero people under the again of 17 have died of COVID in California. ZERO!!!!PurpleThrobber said:
Kids don't die of COVID either.RaceBannon said:Kids never got sick at school before
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Latest update from Oregon. No deaths under age 20. 1 death under 30. Almost 75% of deaths are 70 and over.
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Toss is the intentional ignoring of the economic and social impacts of the lockdowns and the attempt of the American leftards to blame Trump rather than the chicoms.
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/top-pathologist-claims-covid-19-greatest-hoax-ever-perpetrated-unsuspecting-public
Top Pathologist Claims COVID-19 Is "The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated On An Unsuspecting Public"
Top pathologist Dr. Roger Hodkinson told government officials in Alberta during a zoom conference call that the current coronavirus crisis is “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.”
Noting that he was also an expert in virology, Hodkinson pointed out that his role as CEO of a biotech company that manufactures COVID tests means, “I might know a little bit about all this.”
“There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians, it’s outrageous, this is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public,” said Hodkinson.
The doctor said that nothing could be done to stop the spread of the virus besides protecting older more vulnerable people and that the whole situation represented “politics playing medicine, and that’s a very dangerous game.”
Hodkinson remarked that “social distancing is useless because COVID is spread by aerosols which travel 30 meters or so before landing,” as he called for society to be re-opened immediately to prevent the debilitating damage being caused by lockdowns.
Hodkinson also slammed mandatory mask mandates as completely pointless.
Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever,” he said.
“Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling. They’re not even worn effectively most of the time. It’s utterly ridiculous. Seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people – I’m not saying that in a pejorative sense – seeing these people walking around like lemmings obeying without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face.”
The doctor also slammed the unreliability of PCR tests, noting that “positive test results do not, underlined in neon, mean a clinical infection,” and that all testing should stop because the false numbers are “driving public hysteria.”
Hodkinson said that the risk of death in the province of Alberta for people under the age of 65 was “one in three hundred thousand,” and that it was simply “outrageous” to shut down society for what the doctor said “was just another bad flu.”
“I’m absolutely outraged that this has reached this level, it should all stop tomorrow,” concluded Dr. Hodkinson.
Hodkinson’s credentials are beyond question, with the MedMalDoctors website affirming his credibility.
“He received his general medical degrees from Cambridge University in the UK (M.A., M.B., B. Chir.) where he was a scholar at Corpus Christi College. Following a residency at the University of British Columbia he became a Royal College certified general pathologist (FRCPC) and also a Fellow of the College of American Pathologists (FCAP).”
“He is in good Standing with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta, and has been recognized by the Court of Queen’s Bench in Alberta as an expert in pathology.” -
WestlinnDuck said:
Toss is the intentional ignoring of the economic and social impacts of the lockdowns and the attempt of the American leftards to blame Trump rather than the chicoms.
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/top-pathologist-claims-covid-19-greatest-hoax-ever-perpetrated-unsuspecting-public
Top Pathologist Claims COVID-19 Is "The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated On An Unsuspecting Public"
Top pathologist Dr. Roger Hodkinson told government officials in Alberta during a zoom conference call that the current coronavirus crisis is “the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public.”
Noting that he was also an expert in virology, Hodkinson pointed out that his role as CEO of a biotech company that manufactures COVID tests means, “I might know a little bit about all this.”
“There is utterly unfounded public hysteria driven by the media and politicians, it’s outrageous, this is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public,” said Hodkinson.
The doctor said that nothing could be done to stop the spread of the virus besides protecting older more vulnerable people and that the whole situation represented “politics playing medicine, and that’s a very dangerous game.”
Hodkinson remarked that “social distancing is useless because COVID is spread by aerosols which travel 30 meters or so before landing,” as he called for society to be re-opened immediately to prevent the debilitating damage being caused by lockdowns.
Hodkinson also slammed mandatory mask mandates as completely pointless.
Masks are utterly useless. There is no evidence base for their effectiveness whatsoever,” he said.
“Paper masks and fabric masks are simply virtue signalling. They’re not even worn effectively most of the time. It’s utterly ridiculous. Seeing these unfortunate, uneducated people – I’m not saying that in a pejorative sense – seeing these people walking around like lemmings obeying without any knowledge base to put the mask on their face.”
The doctor also slammed the unreliability of PCR tests, noting that “positive test results do not, underlined in neon, mean a clinical infection,” and that all testing should stop because the false numbers are “driving public hysteria.”
Hodkinson said that the risk of death in the province of Alberta for people under the age of 65 was “one in three hundred thousand,” and that it was simply “outrageous” to shut down society for what the doctor said “was just another bad flu.”
“I’m absolutely outraged that this has reached this level, it should all stop tomorrow,” concluded Dr. Hodkinson.
Hodkinson’s credentials are beyond question, with the MedMalDoctors website affirming his credibility.
“He received his general medical degrees from Cambridge University in the UK (M.A., M.B., B. Chir.) where he was a scholar at Corpus Christi College. Following a residency at the University of British Columbia he became a Royal College certified general pathologist (FRCPC) and also a Fellow of the College of American Pathologists (FCAP).”
“He is in good Standing with the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta, and has been recognized by the Court of Queen’s Bench in Alberta as an expert in pathology.”
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Good point! But this is about coup 3 or 4 or 5? I lost count. -
"If you don't vote for Biden, you ain't a scientist!"Sledog said:
Good point! But this is about coup 3 or 4 or 5? I lost count. -
They would believe them if the statement read "a consensus of doctors and scientists"Sledog said:
Good point! But this is about coup 3 or 4 or 5? I lost count.
Have to use the correct buzz words -
Never thought I’d see people actively cheering for a pandemic to be more deadly than it is, yet that’s how insane the Left has become. The governors don’t even adhere to their own mandates, yet cultists like @HHusky and @BearsWiin excuse the obvious hypocrisy.
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He knows the children of that single mother on welfare that he was banging.NorthwestFresh said:
His post has nothing to do with children and everything to do with teachers being fully paid to do nothing other than grade homework. The only children you know are those you stalk on Twitter, Dildo Baggins.HustlinOwl said:
I assume you have no children.WestlinnDuck said:
So, who is out coughing in public? I go everywhere, gyms, restaurants and bars and shopping almost every day. I don't hear anyone coughing or sneezing. If I did, I'd get away from them. If masks worked, then we would have the chicom crud beat. What we do know is if you don't have a job then housing and food are a real problem. The hypocrisy of public school teachers saying they are afraid to teach and being rewarded by dems who are owned by the teachers unions but then going out to shop and eat at restaurants is staggering.GreenRiverGatorz said:Limitation:
Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others.
Conclusion:
The recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use. The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection.
Takeaway seems to be that wearing a mask in an environment where other people are not wearing masks only gives you a statistically insignificant reduction in transmission risk. I think that more or less gels with the conventional wisdom circulating - wearing a mask doesn't do much to protect yourself, but they are a lot more effective in preventing you from spreading the disease to someone else. Obviously the study didn't explore the latter. -
Seems like a stretch.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/11/19/doctors-say-man-who-died-after-falling-off-10-foot-ladder-actually-killed-by-covid-n1160209
Doctors Say Man Who Died After Falling off 10-Foot Ladder Actually Killed by COVID
Doctors say that a builder in Croatia who died after falling off a 10-foot ladder actually died of COVID-19.
You read that right.
The unnamed man was pronounced dead at the scene after succumbing to his injuries, but a COVID-19 test was administered postmortem, and it came back positive, reports the Daily Mail.
An autopsy revealed that large portions of his lungs were blocked, meaning the man had a normally life-threatening condition called acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). Experts believe that this condition, which was caused by COVID-19, caused his fall, which means that under World Health Organization guidelines that his death be recorded as a COVID-19 fatality. -
I apologize for encouraging the virus through my "cheering".NorthwestFresh said:Never thought I’d see people actively cheering for a pandemic to be more deadly than it is, yet that’s how insane the Left has become. The governors don’t even adhere to their own mandates, yet cultists like @HHusky and @BearsWiin excuse the obvious hypocrisy.
Ghoulish
Grandma's dead?
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The study and the conclusions the morons here are drawing from it are shit.
Educate yourselves.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/health/coronavirus-masks-denmark.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2020/11/18/lead-researcher-behind-controversial-danish-study-says-you-should-still-wear-a-mask/ -
Just for you retards who haven't read a medical paper or done academic research of your own in over a decade, if ever...
Here is a link to a slew of mask (including homemade mask) research done prior to 2020 before it became a political weapon that came to roughly similar conclusions:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term="masks"+"infections"&filter=years.1949-2019
GENERALLY: Masks might reduce "some" viral spreading, it fails to protect in general; though it might be useful in "some" situations for "certain" periods of time if used "properly" and "responsibly" but certainly not "all the time" and not in "every situation". There are very few, if any studies/papers, that indicate that mask wearing population groups have decreased case numbers specifically due to mask usage. France, Germany and Spain are all countries that have mask mandates with strong compliance. Those countries proportionally are no better or worse than countries without mandates in the same region, such as the Nordic countries.
Extra Credit:
There are lots misconceptions about Asian countries and their "successful" usage of masks, Vietnam specifically has very low case numbers but low mask compliance, high population density centers, high pollution, and a heavy social drinking and eating culture. They should be getting devastated by covid19. There may be a genetic component in SE Asians that makes them particularly resistant to coronaviruses.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.16.385401v1.full -
You mean similar to those under 70 with no underlying health issues?!?!Houhusky said:Just for you retards who haven't read a medical paper or done academic research of your own in over a decade, if ever...
Here is a link to a slew of mask (including homemade mask) research done prior to 2020 before it became a political weapon that came to roughly similar conclusions:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term="masks"+"infections"&filter=years.1949-2019
GENERALLY: Masks might reduce "some" viral spreading, it fails to protect in general; though it might be useful in "some" situations for "certain" periods of time if used "properly" and "responsibly" but certainly not "all the time" and not in "every situation". There are very few, if any studies/papers, that indicate that mask wearing population groups have decreased case numbers specifically due to mask usage. France, Germany and Spain are all countries that have mask mandates with strong compliance. Those countries proportionally are no better or worse than countries without mandates in the same region, such as the Nordic countries.
Extra Credit:
There are lots misconceptions about Asian countries and their "successful" usage of masks, Vietnam specifically has very low case numbers but low mask compliance, high population density centers, high pollution, and a heavy social drinking and eating culture. They should be getting devastated by covid19. There may be a genetic component in SE Asians that makes them particularly resistant to coronaviruses.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.16.385401v1.full
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The Throbber just goes to the doctor, he gives him the pills, and the sores go away!PurpleThrobber said:
You mean similar to those under 70 with no underlying health issues?!?!Houhusky said:Just for you retards who haven't read a medical paper or done academic research of your own in over a decade, if ever...
Here is a link to a slew of mask (including homemade mask) research done prior to 2020 before it became a political weapon that came to roughly similar conclusions:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term="masks"+"infections"&filter=years.1949-2019
GENERALLY: Masks might reduce "some" viral spreading, it fails to protect in general; though it might be useful in "some" situations for "certain" periods of time if used "properly" and "responsibly" but certainly not "all the time" and not in "every situation". There are very few, if any studies/papers, that indicate that mask wearing population groups have decreased case numbers specifically due to mask usage. France, Germany and Spain are all countries that have mask mandates with strong compliance. Those countries proportionally are no better or worse than countries without mandates in the same region, such as the Nordic countries.
Extra Credit:
There are lots misconceptions about Asian countries and their "successful" usage of masks, Vietnam specifically has very low case numbers but low mask compliance, high population density centers, high pollution, and a heavy social drinking and eating culture. They should be getting devastated by covid19. There may be a genetic component in SE Asians that makes them particularly resistant to coronaviruses.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.16.385401v1.full -
“Hey guize read this articles that don’t at all debunk the study that I won’t read myself.”MontlakeBridgeTroll said:The study and the conclusions the morons here are drawing from it are shit.
Educate yourselves.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/health/coronavirus-masks-denmark.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/leahrosenbaum/2020/11/18/lead-researcher-behind-controversial-danish-study-says-you-should-still-wear-a-mask/
I shit right on your face!! Your face!!
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Me love you long time POTD.Pitchfork51 said:
The Throbber just goes to the doctor, he gives him the pills, and the sores go away!PurpleThrobber said:
You mean similar to those under 70 with no underlying health issues?!?!Houhusky said:Just for you retards who haven't read a medical paper or done academic research of your own in over a decade, if ever...
Here is a link to a slew of mask (including homemade mask) research done prior to 2020 before it became a political weapon that came to roughly similar conclusions:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term="masks"+"infections"&filter=years.1949-2019
GENERALLY: Masks might reduce "some" viral spreading, it fails to protect in general; though it might be useful in "some" situations for "certain" periods of time if used "properly" and "responsibly" but certainly not "all the time" and not in "every situation". There are very few, if any studies/papers, that indicate that mask wearing population groups have decreased case numbers specifically due to mask usage. France, Germany and Spain are all countries that have mask mandates with strong compliance. Those countries proportionally are no better or worse than countries without mandates in the same region, such as the Nordic countries.
Extra Credit:
There are lots misconceptions about Asian countries and their "successful" usage of masks, Vietnam specifically has very low case numbers but low mask compliance, high population density centers, high pollution, and a heavy social drinking and eating culture. They should be getting devastated by covid19. There may be a genetic component in SE Asians that makes them particularly resistant to coronaviruses.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.16.385401v1.full
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Sorry *shePurpleThrobber said:
Me love you long time POTD.Pitchfork51 said:
The Throbber just goes to the doctor, he gives him the pills, and the sores go away!PurpleThrobber said:
You mean similar to those under 70 with no underlying health issues?!?!Houhusky said:Just for you retards who haven't read a medical paper or done academic research of your own in over a decade, if ever...
Here is a link to a slew of mask (including homemade mask) research done prior to 2020 before it became a political weapon that came to roughly similar conclusions:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term="masks"+"infections"&filter=years.1949-2019
GENERALLY: Masks might reduce "some" viral spreading, it fails to protect in general; though it might be useful in "some" situations for "certain" periods of time if used "properly" and "responsibly" but certainly not "all the time" and not in "every situation". There are very few, if any studies/papers, that indicate that mask wearing population groups have decreased case numbers specifically due to mask usage. France, Germany and Spain are all countries that have mask mandates with strong compliance. Those countries proportionally are no better or worse than countries without mandates in the same region, such as the Nordic countries.
Extra Credit:
There are lots misconceptions about Asian countries and their "successful" usage of masks, Vietnam specifically has very low case numbers but low mask compliance, high population density centers, high pollution, and a heavy social drinking and eating culture. They should be getting devastated by covid19. There may be a genetic component in SE Asians that makes them particularly resistant to coronaviruses.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.16.385401v1.full
Doctors are mostly chicks now
