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Penn Judge says No to late arriving ballots
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No gross vote/ballot totals before counting began, simultaneous vote counting pause in key states on election night, kicking watchers out of buildings, putting posters over windows to block observers, "glitches" that flip votes...WestlinnDuck said:
Well, that seems pretty obvious. Why set up mail by vote and then put no parameters in to protect it from fraud? I think it is a basic civics 101 lesson that one properly registered US citizen in their state of residency is entitled to one vote and that the process should be transparent and auditable. Not one dem in Congress supports that. Some might give it some verbal support but it isn't an issue they would vote on.YellowSnow said:
No it’s not fine. Forgive me for not taking the word of the Tug that the election was stolen from Trump.RaceBannon said:Fraud is fine if you don't like the candidate
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When evidence is presented in court and fraudulent votes are disqualified and Trump wins.Houhusky said:
How could someone prove fraud to you?YellowSnow said:
No it’s not fine. Forgive me for not taking the word of the Tug that the election was stolen from Trump.RaceBannon said:Fraud is fine if you don't like the candidate
why dont you articulate your threshold, or is this some thing where you need an authoritative person/body telling you it happened in order to believe it happened? -
Um yes. We have one of the best legal systems in the world. Get your evidence, present it to a judge, and get the verdict. Whether or not you want to trust it at that point is on you, but that’s how our system works.Houhusky said:
How could someone prove fraud to you?YellowSnow said:
No it’s not fine. Forgive me for not taking the word of the Tug that the election was stolen from Trump.RaceBannon said:Fraud is fine if you don't like the candidate
why dont you articulate your threshold, or is this some thing where you need an authoritative person/body telling you it happened in order to believe it happened? -
Constitutionally, this was a clusterfuck. The Governor and State Supreme Court overstepped their authority by changing the rules of the game prior to the election. Even if the ballots were segregated and subsequently thrown out, you are now disenfranchising (legal) voters and denying them equal protection. The Constitutional remedy is for the State Legislature to either call for a new election, or designate the Electors that will vote in the electoral college. Last year a federal election for Congress had to be redone in N Carolina because of ballot harvesting. The Supreme Court could invalidate the election and set aside the electoral votes. This scenario could play out in multiple states, including MI and WI. If neither side reaches 270 electoral votes or there is a tie, the 12 Amendment would come into play with the each state legislature voting for the President with 1 vote. First candidate to 26 wins.thechatch said:They were backdated and never segregated, so the entire voting roll from PA is tainted. It’s all fucked.
In all cases, there needs to be transparency, validation and remedy. The remedy is the Constitution outlined above. Transparency was non-existent across many jurisdictions. If everyone is going to agree on an outcome, then transparency is vital. The validation will come with the recounts and audits. -
Those 50-50 races are what keeps the country from getting all screwed up like it did in the thirties thru the seventies, well nineties, OK - two thousandsYellowSnow said:
No matter how much we clean things up unless we get past giant douche vs turd sammich 50/50 contests, the losing sides true believers are gonna scream cheating.Swaye said:
At this point we just need to unfuck this for future elections. Clean up the voter rolls. Fix the fucking software "glitches" and providers. Reign in the judicial activism on setting election parameters. Etc. Fix this shit so it doesn't keep happening.dnc said:This is an important precedent for future elections but it isn't going to win PA back for Trump.
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Is this a real question of are you pretending to be dumb? Fraud can be proven the same way fraud is always proven - with evidence. The Trump campaign had watchers in every swing precinct and has war chests and teams of lawyers expressly dedicated to uncovering this shit.Houhusky said:
How could someone prove fraud to you?YellowSnow said:
No it’s not fine. Forgive me for not taking the word of the Tug that the election was stolen from Trump.RaceBannon said:Fraud is fine if you don't like the candidate
why dont you articulate your threshold, or is this some thing where you need an authoritative person/body telling you it happened in order to believe it happened?
The supposed helplessness of Trump is a bunch of fucking histrionics. -
I only believe things successfully argued in the court of law.YellowSnow said:
When evidence is presented in court and fraudulent votes are disqualified and Trump wins.Houhusky said:
How could someone prove fraud to you?YellowSnow said:
No it’s not fine. Forgive me for not taking the word of the Tug that the election was stolen from Trump.RaceBannon said:Fraud is fine if you don't like the candidate
why dont you articulate your threshold, or is this some thing where you need an authoritative person/body telling you it happened in order to believe it happened?
legal system, especially the supreme court, always gets it right.
Best system in the world, just ask Dred Scott or Korematsu. -
I asked it because if you will only believe something when someone authoritative tells you what to believe its rather pointless to discuss it in the first place...GreenRiverGatorz said:
Is this a real question of are you pretending to be dumb? Fraud can be proven the same way fraud is always proven - with evidence. The Trump campaign had watchers in every swing precinct and has war chests and teams of lawyers expressly dedicated to uncovering this shit.Houhusky said:
How could someone prove fraud to you?YellowSnow said:
No it’s not fine. Forgive me for not taking the word of the Tug that the election was stolen from Trump.RaceBannon said:Fraud is fine if you don't like the candidate
why dont you articulate your threshold, or is this some thing where you need an authoritative person/body telling you it happened in order to believe it happened?
The supposed helplessness of Trump is a bunch of fucking histrionics.
might as well argue about what REAL god said while we are at it too. -
Friend of mine from Joisey made the comment to me years ago about how NJ cleaned up politics and how the way the state was run -
He said that the sate was so effed up that he was wishing the mafia was back so things would get back to normal. Sure the politicians are corrupt as hell but the mafia kept them in line.
Maybe all the issues with the election should be ignored - Dems 2 (Kennedy and Biden), Repubs 2 (Bush and Trump)
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Not sure what you're getting at. Am I going to listen to a bunch of Breitbart fanatics on Twitter screaming about fraud with a handful of videos and half baked theories? No.Houhusky said:
I asked it because if you will only believe something when someone authoritative tells you what to believe its rather pointless to discuss it in the first place...GreenRiverGatorz said:
Is this a real question of are you pretending to be dumb? Fraud can be proven the same way fraud is always proven - with evidence. The Trump campaign had watchers in every swing precinct and has war chests and teams of lawyers expressly dedicated to uncovering this shit.Houhusky said:
How could someone prove fraud to you?YellowSnow said:
No it’s not fine. Forgive me for not taking the word of the Tug that the election was stolen from Trump.RaceBannon said:Fraud is fine if you don't like the candidate
why dont you articulate your threshold, or is this some thing where you need an authoritative person/body telling you it happened in order to believe it happened?
The supposed helplessness of Trump is a bunch of fucking histrionics.
might as well argue about what REAL god said while we are at it too.
In the sense that I'll go ahead and defer to a judge on this one and LIFPO, then yeah, I suppose I need someone authoritative to weigh in.
