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except for all the fascists.
People forget that the Nazis were center left. People forget that.
People forget that the Nazis were center left. People forget that.
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This should be the post of the year - the defining meme - for 2020.UW_Doog_Bot said:except for all the fascists.
People forget that the Nazis were center left. People forget that. -
"Center left" doesn't really fit at all. The Nazis promoted central government "collectivist" programs to stimulate the economy and put people to work, but so did basically every other national government, including the USA, that didn't want to completely collapse and lose all legitimacy.UW_Doog_Bot said:except for all the fascists.
People forget that the Nazis were center left. People forget that.
The Nazis were far right in their cultural politics especially the whole racism and anti-semitism thing. They were also very reactionary in terms of gender, sexuality, and in policing public behavior. That is not "center left."
You have to disentangle economic policies from other political factors. The distinctive features of Nazism was its intense right wing politics. -
Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
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How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are. -
It sure wasn't a right wing or conservative party
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And LBJ was one of the biggest racists of all
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Those were the super nazis. Adolf had to beat them before rising to power; a lot of people forget that.Goduckies said:It sure wasn't a right wing or conservative party
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It’s cute how you justify present day fascism with keyboard gymnastics by pigeon holing Nazis in a game of left, right, center. You should petition UW or whatever Banana Republic school you took history in for a refund.Kingdome_Urinals said:
"Center left" doesn't really fit at all. The Nazis promoted central government "collectivist" programs to stimulate the economy and put people to work, but so did basically every other national government, including the USA, that didn't want to completely collapse and lose all legitimacy.UW_Doog_Bot said:except for all the fascists.
People forget that the Nazis were center left. People forget that.
The Nazis were far right in their cultural politics especially the whole racism and anti-semitism thing. They were also very reactionary in terms of gender, sexuality, and in policing public behavior. That is not "center left."
You have to disentangle economic policies from other political factors. The distinctive features of Nazism was its intense right wing politics.
And save any pathetic attempt to show “receipts”. For they appear to only be redeemable for services received. -
Ahh the rewriting of history can be fun if you don't like your history.Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
The Nazi leadership called themselves Socialists. I know, I know, its inconvenient for your attempt at historical revisionism.
The left stayed in the democratic party after LBJ and Civil Rights legislation. It wasn't until 30 years later, yes three entire decades, almost one third of a century, that the Republicans won the majority in Georgia, the heart of the South. Hardly a case of democrats rushing to jump ship now was it?
The Germans had a whole lot more similarities to Socialism and Communism than anything "far-right" as you call it. Does anyone even know what "far-right" means? To me it is simply a term the liberals use to scare their weak followers who can't think for themselves. The KKK? Is that what rats call "far-right". I think Robert Byrd and Teddy Kennedy, Al Gores father, Fritz Hollings and a whole bunch of other segregationists and KKK supporters on the left would disagree. None of those racists jumped over to the Republican party. Another inconvenient fact liberals like to ignore and make excuses for. Clinton and his racist mentor? Can anyone imagine what would happen to a Republican candidate for President who had a racist mentor like Clinton and BO did? Racism is alive and well in the rat party. They just want their weak minded followers to believe otherwise.
On the cover of Mein Kampf Hitler refers to his perspective as National Socialism. Another inconvenient fact liberals like to ignore. They try to explain it away because it isn't a liberals definition of socialism. As we know, socialism and communism has killed over 100,000,000 over the last century or so. The left has tried their hardest to adhere those atrocities to the mystical "far-right". I keep looking for that huge organization that is plotting to take over the country and the world and considers themselves "far-right". The problem is, all I see are far left fascists' who are attempting to murder, burn, loot, beat and destroy anything that gets in their political way. But hey, those "far-right" bad guys who seem to be invisible but ready to jump out at any moment, they are the ones to be afraid of. -
Wokeism is racist. From the left.Kingdome_Urinals said:
"Center left" doesn't really fit at all. The Nazis promoted central government "collectivist" programs to stimulate the economy and put people to work, but so did basically every other national government, including the USA, that didn't want to completely collapse and lose all legitimacy.UW_Doog_Bot said:except for all the fascists.
People forget that the Nazis were center left. People forget that.
The Nazis were far right in their cultural politics especially the whole racism and anti-semitism thing. They were also very reactionary in terms of gender, sexuality, and in policing public behavior. That is not "center left."
You have to disentangle economic policies from other political factors. The distinctive features of Nazism was its intense right wing politics.
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Too many words for dumbline brad to comprehend.Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are. -
And owned all the slaves. Thanks for playing.Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are. -
How'd you get your head so far up your ass?Sledog said:
And owned all the slaves. Thanks for playing.Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
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Benny Beaver Fucking Stupid
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Fascism is literally the marriage of planned economies and nationalism. It rejects the destruction of nationalism that communism proports. It is "far right" only if your a devout socialist and don't realize there's such a thing as a free economy further to the right.Kingdome_Urinals said:
"Center left" doesn't really fit at all. The Nazis promoted central government "collectivist" programs to stimulate the economy and put people to work, but so did basically every other national government, including the USA, that didn't want to completely collapse and lose all legitimacy.UW_Doog_Bot said:except for all the fascists.
People forget that the Nazis were center left. People forget that.
The Nazis were far right in their cultural politics especially the whole racism and anti-semitism thing. They were also very reactionary in terms of gender, sexuality, and in policing public behavior. That is not "center left."
You have to disentangle economic policies from other political factors. The distinctive features of Nazism was its intense right wing politics. -
Pinochet is probably the world's only notable modern far right dictator. Maybe the Shah of Iran if you'd like to dig into it.
You can argue that Italian Fascism was "center right" if you like. Nazi Fascism was center left especially as they were able to further "implement" it. Socialized "healthcare" anyone?
You don't get to just hand wave and say, "just ignore all that economics stuff" and relabel people left vs. right while ignoring central ideology. Thatsnothowthisworks.gif -
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are. -
@GeorgeOrwellDawg, true?UW_Doog_Bot said:Pinochet is probably the world's only notable modern far right dictator. Maybe the Shah of Iran if you'd like to dig into it.
You can argue that Italian Fascism was "center right" if you like. Nazi Fascism was center left especially as they were able to further "implement" it. Socialized "healthcare" anyone?
You don't get to just hand wave and say, "just ignore all that economics stuff" and relabel people left vs. right while ignoring central ideology. Thatsnothowthisworks.gif
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Btw, this is an incredible bad read of history and the facts. Wallace, a Rat until his death, captured most of the Southern vote well after LBJ started enforcing the Civil Rights acts. The South started trending toward Republicans with Ike, but the Rats still had a strangle hold on the majority until 1972. Carter recaptured the the South in 1976 and Clinton in 1992 was able to win many Southern states.Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are. -
You’re telling me that we could have just voted out fascism in 1941?!
What a buffoon that FDR was.
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Unreadable. Try again.UW_Doog_Bot said:Pinochet is probably the world's only notable modern far right dictator. Maybe the Shah of Iran if you'd like to dig into it.
You can argue that Italian Fascism was "center right" if you like. Nazi Fascism was center left especially as they were able to further "implement" it. Socialized "healthcare" anyone?
You don't get to just hand wave and say, "just ignore all that economics stuff" and relabel people left vs. right while ignoring central ideology. Thatsnothowthisworks.gif -
No, it's not. Pick up a book sometime. Wallace got a lot northern whites too, but the Republicans specifically developed something called a "Southern Strategy," look up the name Kevin Phillips.SFGbob said:
Btw, this is an incredible bad read of history and the facts. Wallace, a Rat until his death, captured most of the Southern vote well after LBJ started enforcing the Civil Rights acts. The South started trending toward Republicans with Ike, but the Rats still had a strangle hold on the majority until 1972. Carter recaptured the the South in 1976 and Clinton in 1992 was able to win many Southern states.Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
The enforcement of Brown v. Board, the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts represented the largest incursion of federal authority over southern state and local governance since the Civil War and the Republican party was there to scoop up the disaffected whites. Not blaming them just stating facts. -
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.SFGbob said:
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
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Wow you remember my old Educk name.. granted you are missing an R in there... I graduated in Poli Sci. I researched this shit for years. LBJ and his n word comments... Robert KKK Byrd yeah strong conservatives.BennyBeaver said:
Too many words for dumbline brad to comprehend.Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are. -
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Kunt logic, is there anything it can't do? I love when people respond with bullshit that does nothing to support their original statements.Kingdome_Urinals said:
No, it's not. Pick up a book sometime. Wallace got a lot northern whites too, but the Republicans specifically developed something called a "Southern Strategy," look up the name Kevin Phillips.SFGbob said:
Btw, this is an incredible bad read of history and the facts. Wallace, a Rat until his death, captured most of the Southern vote well after LBJ started enforcing the Civil Rights acts. The South started trending toward Republicans with Ike, but the Rats still had a strangle hold on the majority until 1972. Carter recaptured the the South in 1976 and Clinton in 1992 was able to win many Southern states.Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
The enforcement of Brown v. Board, the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts represented the largest incursion of federal authority over southern state and local governance since the Civil War and the Republican party was there to scoop up the disaffected whites. Not blaming them just stating facts.
Dumbass here's what you said:
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party
Telling me that northern whites also supported Wallace does nothing to support your original claim and nothing to refute my claims. I'm well aware of the "Southern Strategy" but it still didn't allow Nixon to take the South in 1968 and in 1972 Nixon took every state in the Union but one. Are you claiming it was the "Southern Strategy" that allowed Nixon to take Minnesota?
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Again, lots of mouth nothing that supports your original claims and nothing that addresses anything I said.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Many people on every side of every issue are racist and anti-semitic, no argument here. Very few, however, make it an official policy to actually carry out genocide, or to explicitly defend the enslavement of black people, for instance.SFGbob said:
If racism and anti-Semitism is a "far right" thing how do you explain the fact that the only place you'll find overt and accepted anti-Semitism and racism today is all on the left? Al Sharpton, Omar, Farrahkan and the members of the CBC that support him aren't on the right, they are out and proud leftist. The left is the only group I know of today that wants to use the power of the government to reward and or punish people based solely on their skin color. How can that be when you claim racism is all on the the right?Kingdome_Urinals said:
How wrong you are. You are probably referring to the fact that southern whites were almost uniformly Democratic party voters back in the 19th and for much of the 20th century. But that was not a "left wing" party. The old Democrats valued local governance and feared the growth of the federal government and were generally opposed to public works projects, etc.. By contrast the Federalists, Whigs, and later the Republicans valued a stronger central government and generally held more enlightened attitudes toward the rights of human beings, aka stopping slavery.Goduckies said:Racism isn't a far right thing jr... the left is the party of the KKK with Robert KKK Byrd etc.
AKA using a strong federal government (btw, the US military is part of the federal government) to kick the ass of the South.
As soon as LBJ (a Democrat) enforced school desegregation in the South and enforced the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts, Southern whites began to switch to the Republican party which was much more conservative about racial issues.
And here we are.
I don't agree with most race-based policies I agree with color blind economic programs that put people to work and help them get higher wages.
Farrahkan is a little bitch, who actually helped in the plot to kill Malcolm X, Omar is overrated, Sharpton is corny but has at least pulled away from the dipshit Tawana Brawley antics.
You claimed racism and anti-Semitism are "far right" things. And yet the most prominent place you'll find overt racism and anti-Semitism in America today is all on the left. -
In other words you have no response because your original point is indefensible. Economics is central to defining if something is Left or Right. HTH.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Unreadable. Try again.UW_Doog_Bot said:Pinochet is probably the world's only notable modern far right dictator. Maybe the Shah of Iran if you'd like to dig into it.
You can argue that Italian Fascism was "center right" if you like. Nazi Fascism was center left especially as they were able to further "implement" it. Socialized "healthcare" anyone?
You don't get to just hand wave and say, "just ignore all that economics stuff" and relabel people left vs. right while ignoring central ideology. Thatsnothowthisworks.gif
Read a book! Lulz. -
If you read his responses to me and his "defense" of his own comments it's obvious the guy is a poorly informed lightweight. Every hear of the Southern Strategy!?! Idiot liberals always believe that to be some HUGE mic drop.UW_Doog_Bot said:
In other words you have no response because your original point is indefensible. Economics is central to defining if something is Left or Right. HTH.Kingdome_Urinals said:
Unreadable. Try again.UW_Doog_Bot said:Pinochet is probably the world's only notable modern far right dictator. Maybe the Shah of Iran if you'd like to dig into it.
You can argue that Italian Fascism was "center right" if you like. Nazi Fascism was center left especially as they were able to further "implement" it. Socialized "healthcare" anyone?
You don't get to just hand wave and say, "just ignore all that economics stuff" and relabel people left vs. right while ignoring central ideology. Thatsnothowthisworks.gif
Read a book! Lulz.
https://youtu.be/yM3984KC4R4