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Could someone please identify the racial injustice we're supposed to be fighting against here?

I'm serious, where is this horrible race based discrimination that black people are being subjected to in this country? What are we supposed to be uniting against? Because I don't see any systemic racism directed at black people. I see employment and educational opportunities given to blacks in both public and private that discriminate against Asians and whites.

What are NFL players uniting against?

JoeEDangerously said:

SFGbob said:

I'm serious, where is this horrible race based discrimination that black people are being subjected to in this country? What are we supposed to be uniting against? Because I don't see any systemic racism directed at black people. I see employment and educational opportunities given to blacks in both public and private that discriminate against Asians and whites.

What are NFL players uniting against?

They’ve been given power and their extreme level of narcissism is craving more power. No one wants to be labeled a racist so nothing will ever be said about it. None of this is going to unite anyone. Karen Herbstriet can cry like a little cunt all he wants.

What's so fucked is how we can't even really talk about the real problems in the black community and they don't have shit to do with the cops.

SFGbob said:

JoeEDangerously said:

SFGbob said:

I'm serious, where is this horrible race based discrimination that black people are being subjected to in this country? What are we supposed to be uniting against? Because I don't see any systemic racism directed at black people. I see employment and educational opportunities given to blacks in both public and private that discriminate against Asians and whites.

What are NFL players uniting against?

They’ve been given power and their extreme level of narcissism is craving more power. No one wants to be labeled a racist so nothing will ever be said about it. None of this is going to unite anyone. Karen Herbstriet can cry like a little cunt all he wants.

What's so fucked is how we can't even really talk about the real problems in the black community and they don't have shit to do with the cops.

I agree with this and managed to get my two college-aged kids, and a boyfriend, to think a little more clearly about this.

I argued that, of course the cops are going to profile people who have a propensity to do certain things over and over again. It's not fair or ideal, of course, when that happens to affect an innocent person, but it's hardly shocking. We all profile people everyday.

The critical question is, of course, what is driving the overwhelming % of black male crime in this country? I challenged them and we got into some good and heated debates, which is healthy. I didn't raise no wallflowers. I said, "if you REALLY care about the black community, you will put your sociology hats on and try to figure out what is driving that number. Honestly try and and get in there and figure it out." I cited fatherless homes, etc. To their credit, they listened and tried to come up with answers. Some of the slavery stuff came in, and while I indicated I disagreed with that, it was at least an attempt by kids in their 20s to acknowledge the problem and take a stab at looking for a cause other than rhetoric about "the white man" and "priviledge" and all that other useless sloganeering.

But you're right. You really can't talk about it critically w/o running the risk of being labeled a racist, which is just fs.

SFGbob said:

Could someone please identify the racial injustice we're supposed to be fighting against here?

It's like getting a leftard to define black for AA purposes.

Pitchfork51 said:

creepycoug said:

SFGbob said:

JoeEDangerously said:

SFGbob said:

I'm serious, where is this horrible race based discrimination that black people are being subjected to in this country? What are we supposed to be uniting against? Because I don't see any systemic racism directed at black people. I see employment and educational opportunities given to blacks in both public and private that discriminate against Asians and whites.

What are NFL players uniting against?

They’ve been given power and their extreme level of narcissism is craving more power. No one wants to be labeled a racist so nothing will ever be said about it. None of this is going to unite anyone. Karen Herbstriet can cry like a little cunt all he wants.

What's so fucked is how we can't even really talk about the real problems in the black community and they don't have shit to do with the cops.

I agree with this and managed to get my two college-aged kids, and a boyfriend, to think a little more clearly about this.

I argued that, of course the cops are going to profile people who have a propensity to do certain things over and over again. It's not fair or ideal, of course, when that happens to affect an innocent person, but it's hardly shocking. We all profile people everyday.

The critical question is, of course, what is driving the overwhelming % of black male crime in this country? I challenged them and we got into some good and heated debates, which is healthy. I didn't raise no wallflowers. I said, "if you REALLY care about the black community, you will put your sociology hats on and try to figure out what is driving that number. Honestly try and and get in there and figure it out." I cited fatherless homes, etc. To their credit, they listened and tried to come up with answers. Some of the slavery stuff came in, and while I indicated I disagreed with that, it was at least an attempt by kids in their 20s to acknowledge the problem and take a stab at looking for a cause other than rhetoric about "the white man" and "priviledge" and all that other useless sloganeering.

But you're right. You really can't talk about it critically w/o running the risk of being labeled a racist, which is just fs.

What if I don't?

Then you can just sit tight or fill your tim doing something else. How bow da Ese?

LebamDawg said:

socio-economic shackles on the poor? get rid of the wealthy tenement/ghetto landlord that makes his money off the poors, and those shackles will be cut off.

But then the city council/county councils/zoning officials/editors/media moguls would lose their cuts of the money. The media only bring up blacks because the poor whites and latinos won't develop the guilt us whiteys need to riot in the streets.

@obk might be on to something...

yes I had to edit this twice

A couple of points of minor disagreements:

1. wealthy tenement/ghetto landlord? what is that, and why do we need to get rid of it? it would seem to me that private sector housing for the poor exists because there is a demand for it. Eliminating that option through government intervention is about as useful as eliminating McDonald's jobs by insisting they pay $17 / hour.

2. OBK is never on to anything. This is the same dipshit who was having a nuclear meltdown over Oregon hiring Mario Cristobal. Look it up.

creepycoug said:

DerekJohnson said:

SFGbob said:

JoeEDangerously said:

SFGbob said:

I'm serious, where is this horrible race based discrimination that black people are being subjected to in this country? What are we supposed to be uniting against? Because I don't see any systemic racism directed at black people. I see employment and educational opportunities given to blacks in both public and private that discriminate against Asians and whites.

What are NFL players uniting against?

They’ve been given power and their extreme level of narcissism is craving more power. No one wants to be labeled a racist so nothing will ever be said about it. None of this is going to unite anyone. Karen Herbstriet can cry like a little cunt all he wants.

What's so fucked is how we can't even really talk about the real problems in the black community and they don't have shit to do with the cops.

I disagree in saying blacks and cops have no problems, because they do. But 95% of the problems in the black community have to do with fatherless homes and things of that nature. And you're right that our American culture is too immature or neurotic to talk about real problems.

It's a bit circular, but the argument goes that the reason for the problem with the cops is a direct function of the problems in the black community which you cite.

We are all going to profile. And the more exposure we have at a given moment to physical harm, we are goign to profile like a motherfucker. That's just the way it is.

I was stuck in Atlanta doing M&A work for a few weeks way back when, and during a break I looked out the window of the high rise I was in and decided I was going for a walk to see the CNN building center. I started walking over there and realized that (at least at that time) downtown Atlanta changes quickly depending on which route you take to get from point A to point B. The dudes who started to appear everywhere I went looked a certain way. I profiled them, picked up my pace and got my ass out of there. I did this based entirely on their appearance and observable behavior, and where I found myself. Had they been dressed like Mormon missionaries, I would have made a different decision.

If you're a cop, you're going to do this.

I had a very similar experience in Atlanta. Took a wrong turn out of the MARTA stop from the airport. I don't think I ever got more than a couple blocks off central Peachtree, but it most definitely not Peachtree. I tapped out & called cab very quickly.

GrundleStiltzkin said:

creepycoug said:

DerekJohnson said:

SFGbob said:

JoeEDangerously said:

SFGbob said:

I'm serious, where is this horrible race based discrimination that black people are being subjected to in this country? What are we supposed to be uniting against? Because I don't see any systemic racism directed at black people. I see employment and educational opportunities given to blacks in both public and private that discriminate against Asians and whites.

What are NFL players uniting against?

They’ve been given power and their extreme level of narcissism is craving more power. No one wants to be labeled a racist so nothing will ever be said about it. None of this is going to unite anyone. Karen Herbstriet can cry like a little cunt all he wants.

What's so fucked is how we can't even really talk about the real problems in the black community and they don't have shit to do with the cops.

I disagree in saying blacks and cops have no problems, because they do. But 95% of the problems in the black community have to do with fatherless homes and things of that nature. And you're right that our American culture is too immature or neurotic to talk about real problems.

It's a bit circular, but the argument goes that the reason for the problem with the cops is a direct function of the problems in the black community which you cite.

We are all going to profile. And the more exposure we have at a given moment to physical harm, we are goign to profile like a motherfucker. That's just the way it is.

I was stuck in Atlanta doing M&A work for a few weeks way back when, and during a break I looked out the window of the high rise I was in and decided I was going for a walk to see the CNN building center. I started walking over there and realized that (at least at that time) downtown Atlanta changes quickly depending on which route you take to get from point A to point B. The dudes who started to appear everywhere I went looked a certain way. I profiled them, picked up my pace and got my ass out of there. I did this based entirely on their appearance and observable behavior, and where I found myself. Had they been dressed like Mormon missionaries, I would have made a different decision.

If you're a cop, you're going to do this.

I had a very similar experience in Atlanta. Took a wrong turn out of the MARTA stop from the airport. I don't think I ever got more than a couple blocks off central Peachtree, but it most definitely not Peachtree. I tapped out & called cab very quickly.

Was your reaction a race thing or environment and way the people held themselves thing?

Because I’ve stumbled my way into similar neighborhoods in Czechia, Romania, and South Africa (Pretoria) and it didn’t have anything to do with their race (they were all white), but how they very clearly held themselves and knew I was an outsider that didn’t belong and they didn’t want me there.

San Pedro Sula and Johannesburg make American inner cities look soft AF.

DerekJohnson said:

SFGbob said:

JoeEDangerously said:

SFGbob said:

I'm serious, where is this horrible race based discrimination that black people are being subjected to in this country? What are we supposed to be uniting against? Because I don't see any systemic racism directed at black people. I see employment and educational opportunities given to blacks in both public and private that discriminate against Asians and whites.

What are NFL players uniting against?

They’ve been given power and their extreme level of narcissism is craving more power. No one wants to be labeled a racist so nothing will ever be said about it. None of this is going to unite anyone. Karen Herbstriet can cry like a little cunt all he wants.

What's so fucked is how we can't even really talk about the real problems in the black community and they don't have shit to do with the cops.

I disagree in saying blacks and cops have no problems, because they do. But 95% of the problems in the black community have to do with fatherless homes and things of that nature. And you're right that our American culture is too immature or neurotic to talk about real problems.

Good, because I didn’t say that. I said pretty much what you said. If we’re talking about the biggest problem facing the black community are the cops even in the top ten?

creepycoug said:

SFGbob said:

JoeEDangerously said:

SFGbob said:

I'm serious, where is this horrible race based discrimination that black people are being subjected to in this country? What are we supposed to be uniting against? Because I don't see any systemic racism directed at black people. I see employment and educational opportunities given to blacks in both public and private that discriminate against Asians and whites.

What are NFL players uniting against?

They’ve been given power and their extreme level of narcissism is craving more power. No one wants to be labeled a racist so nothing will ever be said about it. None of this is going to unite anyone. Karen Herbstriet can cry like a little cunt all he wants.

What's so fucked is how we can't even really talk about the real problems in the black community and they don't have shit to do with the cops.

I agree with this and managed to get my two college-aged kids, and a boyfriend, to think a little more clearly about this.

I argued that, of course the cops are going to profile people who have a propensity to do certain things over and over again. It's not fair or ideal, of course, when that happens to affect an innocent person, but it's hardly shocking. We all profile people everyday.

The critical question is, of course, what is driving the overwhelming % of black male crime in this country? I challenged them and we got into some good and heated debates, which is healthy. I didn't raise no wallflowers. I said, "if you REALLY care about the black community, you will put your sociology hats on and try to figure out what is driving that number. Honestly try and and get in there and figure it out." I cited fatherless homes, etc. To their credit, they listened and tried to come up with answers. Some of the slavery stuff came in, and while I indicated I disagreed with that, it was at least an attempt by kids in their 20s to acknowledge the problem and take a stab at looking for a cause other than rhetoric about "the white man" and "priviledge" and all that other useless sloganeering.

But you're right. You really can't talk about it critically w/o running the risk of being labeled a racist, which is just fs.

You have a boyfriend?!?!

That's pretty enlightened of you.

Not judging.

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Houhusky said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

creepycoug said:

DerekJohnson said:

SFGbob said:

JoeEDangerously said:

SFGbob said:

I'm serious, where is this horrible race based discrimination that black people are being subjected to in this country? What are we supposed to be uniting against? Because I don't see any systemic racism directed at black people. I see employment and educational opportunities given to blacks in both public and private that discriminate against Asians and whites.

What are NFL players uniting against?

They’ve been given power and their extreme level of narcissism is craving more power. No one wants to be labeled a racist so nothing will ever be said about it. None of this is going to unite anyone. Karen Herbstriet can cry like a little cunt all he wants.

What's so fucked is how we can't even really talk about the real problems in the black community and they don't have shit to do with the cops.

I disagree in saying blacks and cops have no problems, because they do. But 95% of the problems in the black community have to do with fatherless homes and things of that nature. And you're right that our American culture is too immature or neurotic to talk about real problems.

It's a bit circular, but the argument goes that the reason for the problem with the cops is a direct function of the problems in the black community which you cite.

We are all going to profile. And the more exposure we have at a given moment to physical harm, we are goign to profile like a motherfucker. That's just the way it is.

I was stuck in Atlanta doing M&A work for a few weeks way back when, and during a break I looked out the window of the high rise I was in and decided I was going for a walk to see the CNN building center. I started walking over there and realized that (at least at that time) downtown Atlanta changes quickly depending on which route you take to get from point A to point B. The dudes who started to appear everywhere I went looked a certain way. I profiled them, picked up my pace and got my ass out of there. I did this based entirely on their appearance and observable behavior, and where I found myself. Had they been dressed like Mormon missionaries, I would have made a different decision.

If you're a cop, you're going to do this.

I had a very similar experience in Atlanta. Took a wrong turn out of the MARTA stop from the airport. I don't think I ever got more than a couple blocks off central Peachtree, but it most definitely not Peachtree. I tapped out & called cab very quickly.

Was your reaction a race thing or environment and way the people held themselves thing?

Because I’ve stumbled my way into similar neighborhoods in Czechia, Romania, and South Africa (Pretoria) and it didn’t have anything to do with their race (they were all white), but how they very clearly held themselves and knew I was an outsider that didn’t belong and they didn’t want me there.

San Pedro Sula and Johannesburg make American inner cities look soft AF.

Heh, I used to go out drinking in Joburg in the inner city once upon a tim. I even won a dance contest for doing the Twist. Good tims.



CSB but true.

How long ago was this? If you are talking about the 70s-80s makes sense, Joburg was a high end city then (way before I was even born).

The best example if Ponte City Slum, a literal 50 story luxury penthouse tower turned into a slumlord tower with a 14 story tall dump at its base.

I think the city is trying to make a comeback but it still sucks. Its polluted, I watched someone get car jacked at knife point from my hotel balcony, and still has massive shanty towns. I have almost nothing nice to say about Joburg other than the place where you can play/pet baby lions and cheetahs and as a gateway to amazing Southern Africa.