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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771

    Tequila, it's cool that you read Zach Lowe's columns, but you're really going to bet against Lebron going for the three peat? Heat are just as set up to beat Indiana (trapping D, threes) as Indiana is set up to beat Miami. Heat in 6.

    Bosh was turrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible last year against the Pacers. Perhaps he plays that terrible again who knows? However, if he's knocking down open jumpers then the Pacers are in trouble.

    Also last year Wade was limping into the ECF while he's been tan, rested and ready for all this time off that Spoelstra gave him not to mention these quick series.

    Also Hibbert averaged 23 and 10 in last years playoffs against Miami. Is he capable of doing that? Sure. Given the way he's been playing I doubt it though.

    Agree with Doogsinparadise. Not to mention Miami might be worse than last year but Lebron is somehow better than last year so Miami is more scary.
    I think the problem with Wade was made clear in todays game.

    He is still a good player. But he doesn't have any gravity now. (I heard someone use that referring to Dirks "gravity" and loved it. It's basically just how you pull other the defenders who aren't guarding you towards you.) He cant get to the rim anymore. He can get close to it for a little flip shot. But that's about it. He can get his points with that, cuts and mid range jumpers. But he's not creating open looks for other players. If anything I think going to him kind of bogs Miami down. He'll score so it doesn't kill them but the ball movement dies when he isos. And to many of his possessions end with him pump faking, the defender not biting and Miami scrambling for a shot at the end of the shot clock.

    He also kills their spacing. I think that was a big reason Spoelstra went with Battier. If you have Haslam and Wade on the court that offense isn't nearly as dynamic. Against a defense like Indiana that's brutal.

    I also wouldn't agree that Lebron is better. I think he's topped out. Defensively he's a lot worse. He basically took the year off on that end and I haven't seen him turn it back on for more than a few minutes at a time. He used to be a terror and was everywhere all the time. I don't see that now. Maybe he's tired, maybe it's just really hard to turn that back on, I don't know.

    I'd still pick Miami if my life depended on it. But I think it's very interesting the Indiana blew them out. Last year Indiana wasn't good enough to do that. And you could feel it in the games. It never felt like they could run away from Miami. Being able to do that now is a big deal.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,216
    APAG is right.

    In the past, Indiana could beat Miami but you never got the impression that they could blow them off the court.

    They didn't just beat Miami yesterday, they outplayed them in every which way. The fact that they are doing that while the entire world says that they are struggling is saying something.

    The only "advantage" that I see with Miami right now is that they have LBJ. If you think that Wade's still Wade that's one thing and if you think Bosh has an ability to be effective that's another. But if you were holding a draft of all the players in this series, LBJ would go first, then George, West, and Hibbert before getting to the point of figuring out if you'd rather have Stephenson or Wade. At worst, Indiana's got 5 of the 8 best players in this series and at best they have 4 of the 5 best.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,385 Standard Supporter
    Pressing Tequilla. Indiana shot very well yesterday. 107 points is a great game for them.

    They don't have 4 of the best 5 player either. Hibbert was a disaster in the first round. David West is good, but averaged 14 and 7 for the season. Chris Bosh is kind of soft, but he's as good as those guys. He sacrifices a lot playing for Miami. He's a 20 a game guy on a lot of teams.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,216
    In this series would you rather have Hibbert or Bosh?

    Everything that I said regarding how bad of a matchup Indiana was for Miami came true in Game 1.

    At this point, sure, hypothetically Game 1 was a massive aberation. However, what happens if in Game 2 Indiana wins again in the 95-85 range?

    For as much as Game 1 was a must win game for Indiana, Game 2 is a must win game for Miami. Make no mistake, they got run off the court yesterday.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855

    Pressing Tequilla. Indiana shot very well yesterday. 107 points is a great game for them.

    They don't have 4 of the best 5 player either. Hibbert was a disaster in the first round. David West is good, but averaged 14 and 7 for the season. Chris Bosh is kind of soft, but he's as good as those guys. He sacrifices a lot playing for Miami. He's a 20 a game guy on a lot of teams.

    If Hibbert's trying he's better than Bosh.

    Big IF, I understand. But what Hibbert can do defensively is greater than anything Bosh can do.

    I agree Bosh is probably right around David West, that's fair.

    And I love Paul George, but LeBron is significantly better than Indiana's best player.

    Miami should still win, but Indy having home court makes it interesting. If Indy wins game 2, look out.
  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,385 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:


    Pressing Tequilla. Indiana shot very well yesterday. 107 points is a great game for them.

    They don't have 4 of the best 5 player either. Hibbert was a disaster in the first round. David West is good, but averaged 14 and 7 for the season. Chris Bosh is kind of soft, but he's as good as those guys. He sacrifices a lot playing for Miami. He's a 20 a game guy on a lot of teams.

    If Hibbert's trying he's better than Bosh.

    Big IF, I understand. But what Hibbert can do defensively is greater than anything Bosh can do.

    I agree Bosh is probably right around David West, that's fair.

    And I love Paul George, but LeBron is significantly better than Indiana's best player.

    Miami should still win, but Indy having home court makes it interesting. If Indy wins game 2, look out.
    I don't like Bosh, but he's a hell of a lot more consistent than Hibbert. A trying, dialed in Hibbert is a top 10 player. There are very few true centers and his rim protection is a huge and rare asset. Once something goes wrong though, all the little bitch in him comes out and he quits.

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    Tequilla said:

    In this series would you rather have Hibbert or Bosh?

    Everything that I said regarding how bad of a matchup Indiana was for Miami came true in Game 1.

    At this point, sure, hypothetically Game 1 was a massive aberation. However, what happens if in Game 2 Indiana wins again in the 95-85 range?

    For as much as Game 1 was a must win game for Indiana, Game 2 is a must win game for Miami. Make no mistake, they got run off the court yesterday.

    I actually think game 2 is just as much of a must win for Indiana as Miami. I think Miami could rally from 0-2 down while if Indiana loses game 2 then they lose home court. Also proves game 1 was a fluke and it's back to the drawing board.

    I think offensively what Miami did you can expect rest of the series. They struggle from outside against Indiana and Bosh often no shows against them. However, the Pacers particularly to start the game shot the lights out making 6 of their first 7 three pointers.

    The Pacers scored a playoff high 30 points in the first quarter and 107 points in the game. They also only had 10 turnovers, they rank 26th in turnovers. Against Miami that is what fuels their offense is three pointers and turnovers.

    Tequilla here is a history lesson for you.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2011_ECF.html#MIA-CHI

    Miami was blown out in game one and recovered. Now I picked Miami in 6 and I'm still sticking with it. I actually had a feeling the Pacers would win game one and probably steal one in Miami. I think Miami wins games 5 and 6 though.
  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    dhdawg said:

    without Ibaka I doubt either series will be all that close
    Spurs 5
    Heat 5

    then spurs in 6, barring injury

    after thinking about it a bit more, spurs in 7. Westbrook has a huge series, the thunder maybe even outplay them, but Pop will outcoach Brooks badly in a few key spots.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    *BUMP*

    Heat now have won 11 straight in the playoffs after losing a game. Wade has been terrific. Best he's looked since 2012 playoffs if not 2011.

    Birdman was a ridiculous +24 in 28 minutes. I know that isn't the be all end all but that's pretty incredible. I felt like him and Cole were the unsung heroes for the Heat tonight.
  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,216
    Miami doesn't win without the defense that Cole and Birdman played.

    This may sound crazy, but I actually think that Miami's best chance in this series is to grind it out and focus all of the possessions through LBJ and Wade. If the pace gets going, I don't think they can score enough.

    Other huge part of the game tonight was David West getting in foul trouble and Luis Scola playing like shit. Scola's got to be able to make the open 15-19 footers he's going to get.