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NY Times: Trump’s Go-It-Alone Stimulus Won’t Do Much to Lift the Recovery
DerekJohnson
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Is this from Krugman? How did that prediction go last time.
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Yeah if we had just followed the rat road map and let felons out of prison, paid illegal aliens $600 a week, eliminated ID to vote laws and fully funded the Kennedy Center for the Arts the economy would have just be humming along.
I find it amazing that liberals who supported BO and biden and got 8 years of a substandard economy due to a record low bounce back from a recession, still want you to believe they know what the heck they are talking about when it comes to the economy.
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Trump won't help. Will hurt social security. Bad move. Democrats have your best interests at heart
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it's about tim you came to your sensesRaceBannon said:Trump won't help. Will hurt social security. Bad move. Democrats have your best interests at heart
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Sadly what 2 of my idiot friends said last night... 'he's getting rid of social security'... blah blah blah.RaceBannon said:Trump won't help. Will hurt social security. Bad move. Democrats have your best interests at heart
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Of course it won’t do much. What would do a lot is opening the fucking economy.
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I remember my liking payroll tax cuts when the president i liked did it phase.Postal91 said:
Sadly what 2 of my idiot friends said last night... 'he's getting rid of social security'... blah blah blah.RaceBannon said:Trump won't help. Will hurt social security. Bad move. Democrats have your best interests at heart
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2012/02/22/president-obama-signs-payroll-tax-cut -
Gee, how about doing nothing like your Democrats? Who needs healthily small businesses when we can all just work at Costco and WalMart.
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Whether or not that's what ends up happening, the messaging of "I'm going to get rid of the payroll tax" is easy to link to the idea that Social Security will be weakened if he gets re-elected. He could have stopped at signing the EOs, but then commented further.Postal91 said:
Sadly what 2 of my idiot friends said last night... 'he's getting rid of social security'... blah blah blah.RaceBannon said:Trump won't help. Will hurt social security. Bad move. Democrats have your best interests at heart
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Let the Screamers scream while Trump gets Tanned Rested and Ready to explain why a direct check to You is better than sending 3x that much to kumo, Inslee and Gaffin to mask their failures.
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People without jobs or not at risk of ever working one again, aren’t going to worry about a payroll tax
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Maybe if your Democrats weren’t so eager to crush the economy and delay relief because of stupid riders on bills like marijuana legalization and other pork projects there would be a bi-partisan plan being enacted. But nope, the economy crashing and millions out of work is the ideal scenario for Democrats, at least nationally, so now Pelosi and Congress are heading off for vacation next week after accomplishing yet again zilch.MelloDawg said:
Whether or not that's what ends up happening, the messaging of "I'm going to get rid of the payroll tax" is easy to link to the idea that Social Security will be weakened if he gets re-elected. He could have stopped at signing the EOs, but then commented further.Postal91 said:
Sadly what 2 of my idiot friends said last night... 'he's getting rid of social security'... blah blah blah.RaceBannon said:Trump won't help. Will hurt social security. Bad move. Democrats have your best interests at heart
Hopefully her $20,000 ice cream freezer is fully stocked by her servants in her SF mansion.
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The dueling arguments of "It's Your Governor's Fault" vs. "He's Going To Take Your Social Security Away" in the next 3 months will be interesting. Neither may end up being true, but it is an election after all.doogie said:Let the Screamers scream while Trump gets Tanned Rested and Ready to explain why a direct check to You is better than sending 3x that much to kumo, Inslee and Gaffin to mask their failures.
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Imagine being a Democrat and thinking that most voting people in a shutdown caused by a virus are worried about their next mortgage and car payments give a shot about a suspension in the payroll tax and it’s implications on SS 15 years from now.MelloDawg said:
The dueling arguments of "It's Your Governor's Fault" vs. "He's Going To Take Your Social Security Away" in the next 3 months will be interesting. Neither may end up being true, but it is an election after all.doogie said:Let the Screamers scream while Trump gets Tanned Rested and Ready to explain why a direct check to You is better than sending 3x that much to kumo, Inslee and Gaffin to mask their failures.
It does show how out of touch Democrats are if they think recycling this old bogeyman has any teeth in this economic climate. -
I agree that it doesn't affect many currently and that there are more immediate pressing needs. People my age who think it should matter to them are out of touch. I'm curious how much it moves the needle for those 20 years older than me, however.NorthwestFresh said:
Imagine being a Democrat and thinking that most voting people in a shutdown caused by a virus are worried about their next mortgage and car payments give a shot about a suspension in the payroll tax and it’s implications on SS 15 years from now.MelloDawg said:
The dueling arguments of "It's Your Governor's Fault" vs. "He's Going To Take Your Social Security Away" in the next 3 months will be interesting. Neither may end up being true, but it is an election after all.doogie said:Let the Screamers scream while Trump gets Tanned Rested and Ready to explain why a direct check to You is better than sending 3x that much to kumo, Inslee and Gaffin to mask their failures.
It does show how out of touch Democrats are if they think recycling this old bogeyman has any teeth in this economic climate.
What will matter is the unemployment extension and more stimulus. If they can't roll it out effectively or timely enough, it'll fall on Trump to put the onus on the governors and say he did everything he could. -
The only reason why you object to what Trump has done most recently is because it is quite effective Leaving the Democrats trappedMelloDawg said:
I agree that it doesn't affect many currently and that there are more immediate pressing needs. People my age who think it should matter to them are out of touch. I'm curious how much it moves the needle for those 20 years older than me, however.NorthwestFresh said:
Imagine being a Democrat and thinking that most voting people in a shutdown caused by a virus are worried about their next mortgage and car payments give a shot about a suspension in the payroll tax and it’s implications on SS 15 years from now.MelloDawg said:
The dueling arguments of "It's Your Governor's Fault" vs. "He's Going To Take Your Social Security Away" in the next 3 months will be interesting. Neither may end up being true, but it is an election after all.doogie said:Let the Screamers scream while Trump gets Tanned Rested and Ready to explain why a direct check to You is better than sending 3x that much to kumo, Inslee and Gaffin to mask their failures.
It does show how out of touch Democrats are if they think recycling this old bogeyman has any teeth in this economic climate.
What will matter is the unemployment extension and more stimulus. If they can't roll it out effectively or timely enough, it'll fall on Trump to put the onus on the governors and say he did everything he could. -
Agree with you here, with one giant asterisk that I'm assuming you will agree with, and that is, the government give-aways are barely a band-aid and we can't keeping doing it. The economy and fundamentals of value creation need to be released by whomever it was that let the dogs out. That's what really needs to happen. For reasons I can't quite articulate, I'm banking on a Trump re-election to hasten that process.doogie said:Let the Screamers scream while Trump gets Tanned Rested and Ready to explain why a direct check to You is better than sending 3x that much to kumo, Inslee and Gaffin to mask their failures.
@UW_Doog_Bot can weigh in here, but paying this shit back is gonna be fun, and if we don't and keep printing money, something it seems all administrations like to do now, inflation will rear her ugly mug and then it's high interest rate tim for the country. I don't mind if that happens when I retire, because bond ladders and shit, and because my borrowing days are in the rear-view mirror, but fuck it may come sooner and there are other reasons I like low rates. -
I’ve been hearing about how “we” are going to have to pay back the debt my entire life. I’ve been hearing about hyper inflation coming any day now for almost as long.creepycoug said:
Agree with you here, with one giant asterisk that I'm assuming you will agree with, and that is, the government give-aways are barely a band-aid and we can't keeping doing it. The economy and fundamentals of value creation need to be released by whomever it was that let the dogs out. That's what really needs to happen. For reasons I can't quite articulate, I'm banking on a Trump re-election to hasten that process.doogie said:Let the Screamers scream while Trump gets Tanned Rested and Ready to explain why a direct check to You is better than sending 3x that much to kumo, Inslee and Gaffin to mask their failures.
@UW_Doog_Bot can weigh in here, but paying this shit back is gonna be fun, and if we don't and keep printing money, something it seems all administrations like to do now, inflation will rear her ugly mug and then it's high interest rate tim for the country. I don't mind if that happens when I retire, because bond ladders and shit, and because my borrowing days are in the rear-view mirror, but fuck it may come sooner and there are other reasons I like low rates.
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We?MikeDamone said:
I’ve been hearing about how “we” are going to have to pay back the debt my entire life. I’ve been hearing about hyper inflation coming any day now for almost as long.creepycoug said:
Agree with you here, with one giant asterisk that I'm assuming you will agree with, and that is, the government give-aways are barely a band-aid and we can't keeping doing it. The economy and fundamentals of value creation need to be released by whomever it was that let the dogs out. That's what really needs to happen. For reasons I can't quite articulate, I'm banking on a Trump re-election to hasten that process.doogie said:Let the Screamers scream while Trump gets Tanned Rested and Ready to explain why a direct check to You is better than sending 3x that much to kumo, Inslee and Gaffin to mask their failures.
@UW_Doog_Bot can weigh in here, but paying this shit back is gonna be fun, and if we don't and keep printing money, something it seems all administrations like to do now, inflation will rear her ugly mug and then it's high interest rate tim for the country. I don't mind if that happens when I retire, because bond ladders and shit, and because my borrowing days are in the rear-view mirror, but fuck it may come sooner and there are other reasons I like low rates.
Must have gotten stuck behind peak oil. -
Social Security is a government giveaway. It’s a flawed system of zero growth potential that should put more power of that money’s potential growth into those giving it. I’ll go back again to Dubya’s completely rational idea to let people use 10% of the SS account to perhaps make it grow. Your government believes that money is theirs even before its ever eligible for payouts.creepycoug said:
Agree with you here, with one giant asterisk that I'm assuming you will agree with, and that is, the government give-aways are barely a band-aid and we can't keeping doing it. The economy and fundamentals of value creation need to be released by whomever it was that let the dogs out. That's what really needs to happen. For reasons I can't quite articulate, I'm banking on a Trump re-election to hasten that process.doogie said:Let the Screamers scream while Trump gets Tanned Rested and Ready to explain why a direct check to You is better than sending 3x that much to kumo, Inslee and Gaffin to mask their failures.
@UW_Doog_Bot can weigh in here, but paying this shit back is gonna be fun, and if we don't and keep printing money, something it seems all administrations like to do now, inflation will rear her ugly mug and then it's high interest rate tim for the country. I don't mind if that happens when I retire, because bond ladders and shit, and because my borrowing days are in the rear-view mirror, but fuck it may come sooner and there are other reasons I like low rates.
Fuck all Democrats and most Republicans. -
What's my post have to do with SS?NorthwestFresh said:
Social Security is a government giveaway. It’s a flawed system of zero growth potential that should put more power of that money’s potential growth into those giving it. I’ll go back again to Dubya’s completely rational idea to let people use 10% of the SS account to perhaps make it grow. Your government believes that money is theirs even before its ever eligible for payouts.creepycoug said:
Agree with you here, with one giant asterisk that I'm assuming you will agree with, and that is, the government give-aways are barely a band-aid and we can't keeping doing it. The economy and fundamentals of value creation need to be released by whomever it was that let the dogs out. That's what really needs to happen. For reasons I can't quite articulate, I'm banking on a Trump re-election to hasten that process.doogie said:Let the Screamers scream while Trump gets Tanned Rested and Ready to explain why a direct check to You is better than sending 3x that much to kumo, Inslee and Gaffin to mask their failures.
@UW_Doog_Bot can weigh in here, but paying this shit back is gonna be fun, and if we don't and keep printing money, something it seems all administrations like to do now, inflation will rear her ugly mug and then it's high interest rate tim for the country. I don't mind if that happens when I retire, because bond ladders and shit, and because my borrowing days are in the rear-view mirror, but fuck it may come sooner and there are other reasons I like low rates.
Fuck all Democrats and most Republicans.
Intellectually, I agree with your take on SS. Entirely.
Pragmatically, I don't because I know actual people. If you wiped out everyone I knew before starting my professional life, it wouldn't be a concern. If you count all the people I knew before, and I still know them, at least 80% of those people would be fucked without it. You have to know a little bit about what you're doing in the market and a lot of people don't.
Sure, it's government baby sitting which fundamentally goes against my beliefs. But it's limited and I think we're generally better off with it. So, so, so many people would be fucked without it. -
Yes, and a president saying 3 months before an election he will get rid of a payroll tax which contributes to social security doesn’t seem wise and could move the needle for voters in swing states if they buy into the spin.creepycoug said:
What's my post have to do with SS?NorthwestFresh said:
Social Security is a government giveaway. It’s a flawed system of zero growth potential that should put more power of that money’s potential growth into those giving it. I’ll go back again to Dubya’s completely rational idea to let people use 10% of the SS account to perhaps make it grow. Your government believes that money is theirs even before its ever eligible for payouts.creepycoug said:
Agree with you here, with one giant asterisk that I'm assuming you will agree with, and that is, the government give-aways are barely a band-aid and we can't keeping doing it. The economy and fundamentals of value creation need to be released by whomever it was that let the dogs out. That's what really needs to happen. For reasons I can't quite articulate, I'm banking on a Trump re-election to hasten that process.doogie said:Let the Screamers scream while Trump gets Tanned Rested and Ready to explain why a direct check to You is better than sending 3x that much to kumo, Inslee and Gaffin to mask their failures.
@UW_Doog_Bot can weigh in here, but paying this shit back is gonna be fun, and if we don't and keep printing money, something it seems all administrations like to do now, inflation will rear her ugly mug and then it's high interest rate tim for the country. I don't mind if that happens when I retire, because bond ladders and shit, and because my borrowing days are in the rear-view mirror, but fuck it may come sooner and there are other reasons I like low rates.
Fuck all Democrats and most Republicans.
Intellectually, I agree with your take on SS. Entirely.
Pragmatically, I don't because I know actual people. If you wiped out everyone I knew before starting my professional life, it wouldn't be a concern. If you count all the people I knew before, and I still know them, at least 80% of those people would be fucked without it. You have to know a little bit about what you're doing in the market and a lot of people don't.
Sure, it's government baby sitting which fundamentally goes against my beliefs. But it's limited and I think we're generally better off with it. So, so, so many people would be fucked without it.
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You do realize that tens of millions can’t pay bills right now, right? @creepycoug seems to be an elitist who for some reason wants people to suffer, but what’s your excise? You’re from a wealthy family?MelloDawg said:
Yes, and a president saying 3 months before an election he will get rid of a payroll tax which contributes to social security doesn’t seem wise and could move the needle for voters in swing states if they buy into the spin.creepycoug said:
What's my post have to do with SS?NorthwestFresh said:
Social Security is a government giveaway. It’s a flawed system of zero growth potential that should put more power of that money’s potential growth into those giving it. I’ll go back again to Dubya’s completely rational idea to let people use 10% of the SS account to perhaps make it grow. Your government believes that money is theirs even before its ever eligible for payouts.creepycoug said:
Agree with you here, with one giant asterisk that I'm assuming you will agree with, and that is, the government give-aways are barely a band-aid and we can't keeping doing it. The economy and fundamentals of value creation need to be released by whomever it was that let the dogs out. That's what really needs to happen. For reasons I can't quite articulate, I'm banking on a Trump re-election to hasten that process.doogie said:Let the Screamers scream while Trump gets Tanned Rested and Ready to explain why a direct check to You is better than sending 3x that much to kumo, Inslee and Gaffin to mask their failures.
@UW_Doog_Bot can weigh in here, but paying this shit back is gonna be fun, and if we don't and keep printing money, something it seems all administrations like to do now, inflation will rear her ugly mug and then it's high interest rate tim for the country. I don't mind if that happens when I retire, because bond ladders and shit, and because my borrowing days are in the rear-view mirror, but fuck it may come sooner and there are other reasons I like low rates.
Fuck all Democrats and most Republicans.
Intellectually, I agree with your take on SS. Entirely.
Pragmatically, I don't because I know actual people. If you wiped out everyone I knew before starting my professional life, it wouldn't be a concern. If you count all the people I knew before, and I still know them, at least 80% of those people would be fucked without it. You have to know a little bit about what you're doing in the market and a lot of people don't.
Sure, it's government baby sitting which fundamentally goes against my beliefs. But it's limited and I think we're generally better off with it. So, so, so many people would be fucked without it. -
Seems like you have your cock stuck in your mouth. Seems like that’s been happening a lot lately.NorthwestFresh said:
You do realize that tens of millions can’t pay bills right now, right? @creepycoug seems to be an elitist who for some reason wants people to suffer, but what’s your excise? You’re from a wealthy family?MelloDawg said:
Yes, and a president saying 3 months before an election he will get rid of a payroll tax which contributes to social security doesn’t seem wise and could move the needle for voters in swing states if they buy into the spin.creepycoug said:
What's my post have to do with SS?NorthwestFresh said:
Social Security is a government giveaway. It’s a flawed system of zero growth potential that should put more power of that money’s potential growth into those giving it. I’ll go back again to Dubya’s completely rational idea to let people use 10% of the SS account to perhaps make it grow. Your government believes that money is theirs even before its ever eligible for payouts.creepycoug said:
Agree with you here, with one giant asterisk that I'm assuming you will agree with, and that is, the government give-aways are barely a band-aid and we can't keeping doing it. The economy and fundamentals of value creation need to be released by whomever it was that let the dogs out. That's what really needs to happen. For reasons I can't quite articulate, I'm banking on a Trump re-election to hasten that process.doogie said:Let the Screamers scream while Trump gets Tanned Rested and Ready to explain why a direct check to You is better than sending 3x that much to kumo, Inslee and Gaffin to mask their failures.
@UW_Doog_Bot can weigh in here, but paying this shit back is gonna be fun, and if we don't and keep printing money, something it seems all administrations like to do now, inflation will rear her ugly mug and then it's high interest rate tim for the country. I don't mind if that happens when I retire, because bond ladders and shit, and because my borrowing days are in the rear-view mirror, but fuck it may come sooner and there are other reasons I like low rates.
Fuck all Democrats and most Republicans.
Intellectually, I agree with your take on SS. Entirely.
Pragmatically, I don't because I know actual people. If you wiped out everyone I knew before starting my professional life, it wouldn't be a concern. If you count all the people I knew before, and I still know them, at least 80% of those people would be fucked without it. You have to know a little bit about what you're doing in the market and a lot of people don't.
Sure, it's government baby sitting which fundamentally goes against my beliefs. But it's limited and I think we're generally better off with it. So, so, so many people would be fucked without it.
It does warm my heart to know you’re such a man of the people and perfectly comfortable with the government taking my tax money - I haven’t received a dime - to help people who apparently weren’t taught to save for a rainy day. Sounds like you’re primed for communism. Statist. -
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Look at your check. If you get one for work. Federal payroll tax is listed separately from SS deductions. So is medicare, state tax yada yada yada. If you got a check, ever, you'd know this.MelloDawg said:
Yes, and a president saying 3 months before an election he will get rid of a payroll tax which contributes to social security doesn’t seem wise and could move the needle for voters in swing states if they buy into the spin.creepycoug said:
What's my post have to do with SS?NorthwestFresh said:
Social Security is a government giveaway. It’s a flawed system of zero growth potential that should put more power of that money’s potential growth into those giving it. I’ll go back again to Dubya’s completely rational idea to let people use 10% of the SS account to perhaps make it grow. Your government believes that money is theirs even before its ever eligible for payouts.creepycoug said:
Agree with you here, with one giant asterisk that I'm assuming you will agree with, and that is, the government give-aways are barely a band-aid and we can't keeping doing it. The economy and fundamentals of value creation need to be released by whomever it was that let the dogs out. That's what really needs to happen. For reasons I can't quite articulate, I'm banking on a Trump re-election to hasten that process.doogie said:Let the Screamers scream while Trump gets Tanned Rested and Ready to explain why a direct check to You is better than sending 3x that much to kumo, Inslee and Gaffin to mask their failures.
@UW_Doog_Bot can weigh in here, but paying this shit back is gonna be fun, and if we don't and keep printing money, something it seems all administrations like to do now, inflation will rear her ugly mug and then it's high interest rate tim for the country. I don't mind if that happens when I retire, because bond ladders and shit, and because my borrowing days are in the rear-view mirror, but fuck it may come sooner and there are other reasons I like low rates.
Fuck all Democrats and most Republicans.
Intellectually, I agree with your take on SS. Entirely.
Pragmatically, I don't because I know actual people. If you wiped out everyone I knew before starting my professional life, it wouldn't be a concern. If you count all the people I knew before, and I still know them, at least 80% of those people would be fucked without it. You have to know a little bit about what you're doing in the market and a lot of people don't.
Sure, it's government baby sitting which fundamentally goes against my beliefs. But it's limited and I think we're generally better off with it. So, so, so many people would be fucked without it. -
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Gavin claiming all over the press an extra $100 would cost California $700m/week. So there are 40m people in CA, a good chunk under 18, a good chunk over 65, a nice chunk housewives. A few people still have jobs still. 7m people are really on unemployment? No fucking way.RaceBannon said:
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300k uber drivers alone
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@PurpleBaze true?!?!?!?!!?Goduckies said:300k uber drivers alone
