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Here it is ... Pac-12 Football Unity Demands
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@creepycoug I will acknowledge that my white, middle class privilege enabled me to attend U of W without a scholarship. 2 years out of state (at 1990s prices) and 2 years in state. But getting to fly on plane trips paid for by UW and compete in Pac 12 and natty races was a pretty rewarding experience. TYFYS to all you amateur football players who made this possible.creepycoug said:
Then there's this, which I shudder to admit here. As you know Yella, I have a bit of arrogance in me by which I come naturally along with my hot temper, good looks and dance moves.
There is, to me, some appeal, or at least intrigue, to reverting back to the ideal of the real-student athlete. As you know, I've been in that environment now for the last 5 years, and once you're invested, it can be a good tim. It reminds you that the connection to the place is a lot of what matters as a fan. I don't think it'll happen becuase there are too many powerful interests with a dog in the fight.
Catching a tilt between Middlebury and Amherst wasn't the worst way I've ever spent a Saturday afternoon. And, the further away from men's football and basketball you get, the less noticeable the difference tends to be. But for those two sports especially, it's a whole different level. -
Grundle you know I don't like mingling with the riff raff.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Chintellectually, agree.
But fuck Europe and their sports clubs and shit. I love the anachronism of AMERICAN college football and I guess the other sports too. It's OK that weº do things different than the rest of the world.
I don't know nor care about how Belgium or France is setup. I do know that the British amateur sports system was implicitly, if not explicitly, elitist. It was construed in such a way that only aristocrats could afford to partake. The American system shares those roots with the Ivies, but over time evolved to be egalitarian and meritocratic. -
I don't have time to debate this. I'm needed at the polo grounds.creepycoug said:
Grundle you know I don't like mingling with the riff raff. -
They sold the couch, brah.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I don't have time to debate this. I'm needed at the polo grounds.
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Don't get near the ass end of @SpiritHorse . You are either getting shit on or catching a hoof.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I don't have time to debate this. I'm needed at the polo grounds. -
I agree numbers are off, but 75k (tuition, room / board, books, supplies) for Stanford is impressive. Not to mention the UW out of state tuition is 37k per year. Room and board probably boost it closer to 50k. Still substantial. The poont is all of the benefits the guys get it's not anywhere close to what the average student is receiving. BTW, THE U tuition isn't far off of Stanford. It's insane what New Yorkers will spend to study near the beach.creepycoug said:
I stopped reading after $120K. Most big-tim sports are played at state universities, and it doesn't cost $120k / yr. for tuition and room/board. It also doesn't cost 120k/year for tuition/room/board/books at Stanford. So whatever he had to say after that, I didn't get to it. -
Not reading it because the headline is tiresome enough.
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Why would we pay college football players when 98% of them are not professional sports material?GrundleStiltzkin said:Not reading it because the headline is tiresome enough.
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Science?YellowSnow said:
Why would we pay college football players when 98% of them are not professional sports material? -
The basic story on college football is that the NFL and Players Union have agreed to maximize the revenue for the league owners and largely black players. That agreement includes rookie salary caps, three year wait after high school to join the union, a 53 man active squad plus a 12 member practice squad and revenue sharing and a hard salary cap. The NFL has tried a minor league team. It failed. So, assuming the end of the three year post high school rule, for the really small number of 18-20 year olds that could make the league, for every player that makes the league, a veteran player is cut. On an overall basis, nothing changes. No more money to players and potentially less as college football is negatively impacted and less fans will follow their favorite college players to the NFL. The NFL draft makes millions with a lot of attention from college fans following the draft. The NFL draft is incredibly impactful because the players drafted are ready to play. Drafting 18 year olds who nobody has seen play isn't exciting.
The myth is that the NFL is taking money out of the hands of potential black players. That's true, but then veteran players (who are largely black) have money taken away from them. This isn't the man keeping blacks down.
