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The players aren’t smart enough to come up with all of this on their ownDerekJohnson said:
Someone has the players' ears and is guiding them along. I have no doubt about it.
Its the same reaction I received when I said that Pete had burned out and worked a secret deal with Jen and Jimmy Lake for Jimmy to take over. That's okay. At some point articles will come out connecting the dots. -
The Coug doing whatever they are doing is whatever ... as long as they honor the scholarships pretty sure they aren’t legally liable
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There are pains worse than tortTequilla said:The Coug doing whatever they are doing is whatever ... as long as they honor the scholarships pretty sure they aren’t legally liable
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@Tequilla showing why he is the “finance” guy, not the “marketing” or “labor negotiations” guy
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Yeah but what else am I supposed to call Kim?ntxduck said:
Everything about this post is cringe, but maybe nothing more than seeing a grown man use the word retard -
My favorite takeaway here isn't that some of the players are greedy idiots who don't understand economics or the ramifications of title IX.
The real winning revelation here is Stalin finally verbalizing what he's been wanting to say for a very long time - that the Marxists are here and their plot to overthrow our state institutions is finally in motion. And in the middle of the store no less. What a cool time to be a hardcore husky poster, man. -
Don’t confuse me rationalizing their thinking as saying that I agree with their thinkingDoubleJDawg said:@Tequilla showing why he is the “finance” guy, not the “marketing” or “labor negotiations” guy
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Looking forward to the Husky Stadium short-sale.
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Same could be said about the MarxistGreenRiverGatorz said:My favorite takeaway here isn't that some of the players are greedy idiots who don't understand economics or the ramifications of title IX.
The real winning revelation here is Stalin finally verbalizing what he's been wanting to say for a very long time - that the Marxists are here and their plot to overthrow our state institutions is finally in motion. And in the middle of the store no less. What a cool time to be a hardcore husky poster, man. -
You gotta be pretty damn ignorant to not see what's happening with public education on the whole, as well as higher learning.GreenRiverGatorz said:My favorite takeaway here isn't that some of the players are greedy idiots who don't understand economics or the ramifications of title IX.
The real winning revelation here is Stalin finally verbalizing what he's been wanting to say for a very long time - that the Marxists are here and their plot to overthrow our state institutions is finally in motion. And in the middle of the store no less. What a cool time to be a hardcore husky poster, man. -
Race, it will save most schools a lot of money. It will also kill women athletics. It will cost the Washington and Oregon a ton of money. Why send your kid to UW when you could send him to Eastern Washington and live at home? The big college experience with lots of kids and a football experience sends thousands of college kids paying full boat out of state tuition from Cali. I'm pretty happy with the current situation. If a small minority of gifted athletes don't like the current situation they are free to opt out. The NFL is extremely smart and has a nice symbiotic relationship with college football. They don't have to pay for a money losing minor league and they can do this because the NFL players union agreed that any NFL player has to be out of high school for 3 years. In any other endeavor, that would be illegal under US anti-trust law. But there is an exception for union contracts. Hence, no 20 year olds in the NFL. So currently, there are a large numbers of high school kids that get a D1 college scholarship that would never be touched by an NFL minor league. Unlike baseball, where minor league teams make money, there won't be an single A league, a AA league and a AAA league. Late developers are legend in the NFL. They wouldn't get the chance. The other 98% who never get drafted won't get a scholarship, play for an NFL minor league team with no fans and won't play in a big stadium in front of friends and family.RaceBannon said:
Not my problem. Its what the players want. It will save most schools a lot of money
Penei Sewell would have been a top 10 pick last year but came back to play with his 5 star now freshman brother. This season is going to suck if it even happens. Someone obviously got to him and I'm with Stalin. He turned down several million dollars for the college experience. The adults need to tell the kids to phuck off. The fact that these kids see this as exploitation is a false narrative. If the NFL wants to destroy college football with allowing 18 year olds to be drafted and pay for a minor league, then I'm fine with that. It would be stupid, but I'm not subsidizing stupid. But if college wants to destroy college football and women's athletics and the alumni connection to the college, then so be it. Just let them understand the choice they are making. -
Go Cuog
Player says coach threatened his team status over Union.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/pac12/2020/08/02/covid-19-concerns-lead-college-football-issues-pac-12-school/5569214002/ -
Umm, hate to break the narrative you have going BUT Penei Sewell did not come back to play with his little brother.WestlinnDuck said:
Race, it will save most schools a lot of money. It will also kill women athletics. It will cost the Washington and Oregon a ton of money. Why send your kid to UW when you could send him to Eastern Washington and live at home? The big college experience with lots of kids and a football experience sends thousands of college kids paying full boat out of state tuition from Cali. I'm pretty happy with the current situation. If a small minority of gifted athletes don't like the current situation they are free to opt out. The NFL is extremely smart and has a nice symbiotic relationship with college football. They don't have to pay for a money losing minor league and they can do this because the NFL players union agreed that any NFL player has to be out of high school for 3 years. In any other endeavor, that would be illegal under US anti-trust law. But there is an exception for union contracts. Hence, no 20 year olds in the NFL. So currently, there are a large numbers of high school kids that get a D1 college scholarship that would never be touched by an NFL minor league. Unlike baseball, where minor league teams make money, there won't be an single A league, a AA league and a AAA league. Late developers are legend in the NFL. They wouldn't get the chance. The other 98% who never get drafted won't get a scholarship, play for an NFL minor league team with no fans and won't play in a big stadium in front of friends and family.
Penei Sewell would have been a top 10 pick last year but came back to play with his 5 star now freshman brother. This season is going to suck if it even happens. Someone obviously got to him and I'm with Stalin. He turned down several million dollars for the college experience. The adults need to tell the kids to phuck off. The fact that these kids see this as exploitation is a false narrative. If the NFL wants to destroy college football with allowing 18 year olds to be drafted and pay for a minor league, then I'm fine with that. It would be stupid, but I'm not subsidizing stupid. But if college wants to destroy college football and women's athletics and the alumni connection to the college, then so be it. Just let them understand the choice they are making.
He is a true junior and had to come back because he was not eligible for the NFL draft, unless he wanted to opt out playing this year.
Justin Herbert came back as a true senior because he was an outstanding student, wanted a chance to play with his freshman brother, Patrick, and had unfinished business (goals he wanted to accomplish as a team) . . . old school . . . -
I wonder where football players get their ideas in this age of social media?BleachedAnusDawg said:
You gotta be pretty damn ignorant to not see what's happening with public education on the whole, as well as higher learning.
Add to that, the large number of players that major in ethnic studies, sociology, interdisciplinary studies, pre-business, no major declared, etc., etc.
Being a D-1 athlete is an incredible time commitment year round even for good students (practices, film study, weight lifting, meetings, etc., etc.)
If someone is an average student or less, they are drawn to the easier/worthless majors.
I’m sure the “professors” are “centrists” [snicker].
I’m sure these classes involve a lot of critical thinking, oops, I mean indoctrination.
Notice how many football programs don’t even bother anymore to list what the football players are majoring in.
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My bad. Seems like an eternity since last football season. Unlike the dazzler I'm happy to admit my mistakes.trublue said:
Umm, hate to break the narrative you have going BUT Penei Sewell did not come back to play with his little brother.
He is a true junior and had to come back because he was not eligible for the NFL draft, unless he wanted to opt out playing this year.
Justin Herbert came back as a true senior because he was an outstanding student, wanted a chance to play with his freshman brother, Patrick, and had unfinished business (goals he wanted to accomplish as a team) . . . old school . . . -
Because EWU is the place kids who can't get into WSU go to attend college. WSU is the place kids go who can't get into UW.WestlinnDuck said:
Race, it will save most schools a lot of money. It will also kill women athletics. It will cost the Washington and Oregon a ton of money. Why send your kid to UW when you could send him to Eastern Washington and live at home? The big college experience with lots of kids and a football experience sends thousands of college kids paying full boat out of state tuition from Cali. I'm pretty happy with the current situation. If a small minority of gifted athletes don't like the current situation they are free to opt out. The NFL is extremely smart and has a nice symbiotic relationship with college football. They don't have to pay for a money losing minor league and they can do this because the NFL players union agreed that any NFL player has to be out of high school for 3 years. In any other endeavor, that would be illegal under US anti-trust law. But there is an exception for union contracts. Hence, no 20 year olds in the NFL. So currently, there are a large numbers of high school kids that get a D1 college scholarship that would never be touched by an NFL minor league. Unlike baseball, where minor league teams make money, there won't be an single A league, a AA league and a AAA league. Late developers are legend in the NFL. They wouldn't get the chance. The other 98% who never get drafted won't get a scholarship, play for an NFL minor league team with no fans and won't play in a big stadium in front of friends and family.
Penei Sewell would have been a top 10 pick last year but came back to play with his 5 star now freshman brother. This season is going to suck if it even happens. Someone obviously got to him and I'm with Stalin. He turned down several million dollars for the college experience. The adults need to tell the kids to phuck off. The fact that these kids see this as exploitation is a false narrative. If the NFL wants to destroy college football with allowing 18 year olds to be drafted and pay for a minor league, then I'm fine with that. It would be stupid, but I'm not subsidizing stupid. But if college wants to destroy college football and women's athletics and the alumni connection to the college, then so be it. Just let them understand the choice they are making.
We've been over this. There are a million reasons unrelated to sports on which a kid would base a decision to attend UW over EWU, the latter of which is a glorified community college. -
I could have gone to @89ute . I chose to go to UW.creepycoug said:
Because EWU is the place kids who can't get into WSU go to attend college. WSU is the place kids go who can't get into UW.
We've been over this. There are a million reasons unrelated to sports on which a kid would base a decision to attend UW over EWU, the latter of which is a glorified community college. -
I've been worried about this for years. Of course, like anyone, I want to preserve what I'm used to. But intellectually the current system has not made much sense to me for years. It's not the capitalist way. I believe we are the only country on the planet that ties sports with college to the degree we do. Everywhere else, you go to college or you go to some club place to do your thing and it goes from there. UW, as a universtiy, would be just fine w/o sports. It would feel a lot different for those of us who were there with sports, but over time, that memory would fade.RaceBannon said:The players need a minor league separate from college. Part of transforming America. Time for a change
I'm with them. Divorce football and universities.
Enter the workforce for the NFL minor league -
Agreed. It would be like watching a Harvard/Yale game. Having been to one, I can tell you the tailgating is more competitive than what you see on the field.RaceBannon said:I'd get rid of college sports altogether at that point. No one cares about college baseball and they care less every year about basketball because the stars aren't playing
Football would probably lose the interest as well. At that point why spend the money when the Covid revenue crunch is coming anyway
It would be dreck from an athletic standpoint. No Stan Empterman. -
Last post. Football is the only think left that attracts me to Oregon. Both kids went to Oregon and are big Duck fans. I don't see any exploitation. If you don't want to play football, then don't. College sports are the ultimate capitalistic endeavor and superior talent and effort will be rewarded. Sloth and lack of skills won't. No football and the heritage of shared experience with family and friends is gone. I'll feel sorry for those who won't get to experience that.
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I think there are pretty credible arguments that that is not the case.WestlinnDuck said:Last post. Football is the only think left that attracts me to Oregon. Both kids went to Oregon and are big Duck fans. I don't see any exploitation. If you don't want to play football, then don't. College sports are the ultimate capitalistic endeavor and superior talent and effort will be rewarded. Sloth and lack of skills won't. No football and the heritage of shared experience with family and friends is gone. I'll feel sorry for those who won't get to experience that.
When Bill Gates graduated from high school, he had the freedom to pursue his worth in the market and, when he realized what that worth would be, he left Harvard after 5 minutes and did it.
Make Bill Gates a dumb but athletically explosive defensive end, and compare and contrast.
The system now makes kids go through a 3-year system where they bust their asses, risk injury and have to do homework all at the same time. And for that they get tuition and free room/board. There is nothing capitalistic about that deal. -
For the life of me, I am having a hard damn time understanding the logic of the college football players wishing to be paid employees. For the 2% (or whatever the actual number is) who are good enough for the pros, they will get their payday after 3- 4 years AND as @RaceBannon has pointed out numerous times, the college football experience is far better than whatever some shitty NFL minor league would look like. College football is the 2nd most popular sport in America; and NFL farm system would not match this.
For the 98% who aren't good enough to earn a living, quit you bitching about how college football being "big business". Is there some huge surplus of profit going into some owner's pocket? All that revenue (after football expenses) circulates back into the athletic department to fund the non revenue programs. Why should some 2nd or 3rd string D-1 football player who isn't pro material anymore entitled to be paid than a women's soccer player?
College sports ARE for amateurs. Pro sports are for professionals. This isn't that hard. -
YellowSnow said:
For the life of me, I am having a hard damn time understanding the logic of the college football players wishing to be paid employees. For the 2% (or whatever the actual number is) who are good enough for the pros, they will get their payday after 3- 4 years AND as @RaceBannon has pointed out numerous times, the college football experience is far better than whatever some shitty NFL minor league would look like. College football is the 2nd most popular sport in America; and NFL farm system would not match this.
For the 98% who aren't good enough to earn a living, quit you bitching about how college football being "big business". Is there some huge surplus of profit going into some owner's pocket? All that revenue (after football expenses) circulates back into the athletic department to fund the non revenue programs. Why should some 2nd or 3rd string D-1 football player who isn't pro material anymore entitled to be paid than a women's soccer player?
College sports is for amateurs. Pro sports are for professionals. This isn't that hard. </blockquote
The problem is that for big-tim football and bb programs, college sports isn't for amateurs ... it's for pros in waiting. -
I'm willing to give up my college football to keep the kids happy. Sucks for the vast majority of them who aren't pro football material and will lose the glory of big time college ball, but oh well. I don't want to watch "professional" college football.creepycoug said:
I've been worried about this for years. Of course, like anyone, I want to preserve what I'm used to. But intellectually the current system has not made much sense to me for years. It's not the capitalist way. I believe we are the only country on the planet that ties sports with college to the degree we do. Everywhere else, you go to college or you go to some club place to do your thing and it goes from there. UW, as a universtiy, would be just fine w/o sports. It would feel a lot different for those of us who were there with sports, but over time, that memory would fade. -
I'm like 10th generation 'Merican @creepycoug . My Engrish is not skrong.creepycoug said: -
Chintersting tweet thread from cofounder of Ford Sports. As Coker and DDY and others have pointed out, something that should be celebrated about college sports is the education. Tracy Ford knows that a majority of his kids are not going to make it to the NFL, but he does know his efforts can lead to helping kids get a college education. What you do with it is a up to you.
First and foremost the numbers just don't add up.
These guys need to put their situation in perspective. A lot of kids they went to high school with would love to be in their situation. They probably have former classmates who are missing the opportunity to go to school, loved playing football, but didn't win the genetic lottery a lot of these kids have. Hell even their own siblings.
With regards to shitty degrees, there are academic programs at the UW, that have been created, with athletes in mind, that have been marketed to athletes for years, which have been overwhelmingly ignored by football and basketball players. -
Then there's this, which I shudder to admit here. As you know Yella, I have a bit of arrogance in me by which I come naturally along with my hot temper, good looks and dance moves.YellowSnow said:
There is, to me, some appeal, or at least intrigue, to reverting back to the ideal of the real-student athlete. As you know, I've been in that environment now for the last 5 years, and once you're invested, it can be a good tim. It reminds you that the connection to the place is a lot of what matters as a fan. I don't think it'll happen becuase there are too many powerful interests with a dog in the fight.
Catching a tilt between Middlebury and Amherst wasn't the worst way I've ever spent a Saturday afternoon. And, the further away from men's football and basketball you get, the less noticeable the difference tends to be. But for those two sports especially, it's a whole different level. -
I stopped reading after $120K. Most big-tim sports are played at state universities, and it doesn't cost $120k / yr. for tuition and room/board. It also doesn't cost 120k/year for tuition/room/board/books at Stanford. So whatever he had to say after that, I didn't get to it.huskyhooligan said:Chintersting tweet thread from cofounder of Ford Sports. As Coker and DDY and others have pointed out, something that should be celebrated about college sports is the education. Tracy Ford knows that a majority of his kids are not going to make it to the NFL, but he does know his efforts can lead to helping kids get a college education. What you do with it is a up to you.
First and foremost the numbers just don't add up.
These guys need to put their situation in perspective. A lot of kids they went to high school with would love to be in their situation. They probably have former classmates who are missing the opportunity to go to school, loved playing football, but didn't win the genetic lottery a lot of these kids have. Hell even their own siblings.
With regards to shitty degrees, there are academic programs at the UW, that have been created, with athletes in mind, that have been marketed to athletes for years, which have been overwhelmingly ignored by football and basketball players. -
FSP doesn't want college expenses eating into families' budgets for their shit.huskyhooligan said:Chintersting tweet thread from cofounder of Ford Sports. As Coker and DDY and others have pointed out, something that should be celebrated about college sports is the education. Tracy Ford knows that a majority of his kids are not going to make it to the NFL, but he does know his efforts can lead to helping kids get a college education. What you do with it is a up to you.
First and foremost the numbers just don't add up.
These guys need to put their situation in perspective. A lot of kids they went to high school with would love to be in their situation. They probably have former classmates who are missing the opportunity to go to school, loved playing football, but didn't win the genetic lottery a lot of these kids have. Hell even their own siblings.
With regards to shitty degrees, there are academic programs at the UW, that have been created, with athletes in mind, that have been marketed to athletes for years, which have been overwhelmingly ignored by football and basketball players. -
Chintellectually, agree.creepycoug said:
I've been worried about this for years. Of course, like anyone, I want to preserve what I'm used to. But intellectually the current system has not made much sense to me for years. It's not the capitalist way. I believe we are the only country on the planet that ties sports with college to the degree we do. Everywhere else, you go to college or you go to some club place to do your thing and it goes from there. UW, as a universtiy, would be just fine w/o sports. It would feel a lot different for those of us who were there with sports, but over time, that memory would fade.
But fuck Europe and their sports clubs and shit. I love the anachronism of AMERICAN college football and I guess the other sports too. It's OK that weº do things different than the rest of the world.
I don't know nor care about how Belgium or France is setup. I do know that the British amateur sports system was implicitly, if not explicitly, elitist. It was construed in such a way that only aristocrats could afford to partake. The American system shares those roots with the Ivies, but over time evolved to be egalitarian and meritocratic.
