Here it is ... Pac-12 Football Unity Demands
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I think there are pretty credible arguments that that is not the case.WestlinnDuck said:Last post. Football is the only think left that attracts me to Oregon. Both kids went to Oregon and are big Duck fans. I don't see any exploitation. If you don't want to play football, then don't. College sports are the ultimate capitalistic endeavor and superior talent and effort will be rewarded. Sloth and lack of skills won't. No football and the heritage of shared experience with family and friends is gone. I'll feel sorry for those who won't get to experience that.
When Bill Gates graduated from high school, he had the freedom to pursue his worth in the market and, when he realized what that worth would be, he left Harvard after 5 minutes and did it.
Make Bill Gates a dumb but athletically explosive defensive end, and compare and contrast.
The system now makes kids go through a 3-year system where they bust their asses, risk injury and have to do homework all at the same time. And for that they get tuition and free room/board. There is nothing capitalistic about that deal. -
For the life of me, I am having a hard damn time understanding the logic of the college football players wishing to be paid employees. For the 2% (or whatever the actual number is) who are good enough for the pros, they will get their payday after 3- 4 years AND as @RaceBannon has pointed out numerous times, the college football experience is far better than whatever some shitty NFL minor league would look like. College football is the 2nd most popular sport in America; and NFL farm system would not match this.
For the 98% who aren't good enough to earn a living, quit you bitching about how college football being "big business". Is there some huge surplus of profit going into some owner's pocket? All that revenue (after football expenses) circulates back into the athletic department to fund the non revenue programs. Why should some 2nd or 3rd string D-1 football player who isn't pro material anymore entitled to be paid than a women's soccer player?
College sports ARE for amateurs. Pro sports are for professionals. This isn't that hard. -
YellowSnow said:
For the life of me, I am having a hard damn time understanding the logic of the college football players wishing to be paid employees. For the 2% (or whatever the actual number is) who are good enough for the pros, they will get their payday after 3- 4 years AND as @RaceBannon has pointed out numerous times, the college football experience is far better than whatever some shitty NFL minor league would look like. College football is the 2nd most popular sport in America; and NFL farm system would not match this.
For the 98% who aren't good enough to earn a living, quit you bitching about how college football being "big business". Is there some huge surplus of profit going into some owner's pocket? All that revenue (after football expenses) circulates back into the athletic department to fund the non revenue programs. Why should some 2nd or 3rd string D-1 football player who isn't pro material anymore entitled to be paid than a women's soccer player?
College sports is for amateurs. Pro sports are for professionals. This isn't that hard. </blockquote
The problem is that for big-tim football and bb programs, college sports isn't for amateurs ... it's for pros in waiting. -
I'm willing to give up my college football to keep the kids happy. Sucks for the vast majority of them who aren't pro football material and will lose the glory of big time college ball, but oh well. I don't want to watch "professional" college football.creepycoug said:
I've been worried about this for years. Of course, like anyone, I want to preserve what I'm used to. But intellectually the current system has not made much sense to me for years. It's not the capitalist way. I believe we are the only country on the planet that ties sports with college to the degree we do. Everywhere else, you go to college or you go to some club place to do your thing and it goes from there. UW, as a universtiy, would be just fine w/o sports. It would feel a lot different for those of us who were there with sports, but over time, that memory would fade.RaceBannon said:The players need a minor league separate from college. Part of transforming America. Time for a change
I'm with them. Divorce football and universities.
Enter the workforce for the NFL minor league -
I'm like 10th generation 'Merican @creepycoug . My Engrish is not skrong.creepycoug said:YellowSnow said:For the life of me, I am having a hard damn time understanding the logic of the college football players wishing to be paid employees. For the 2% (or whatever the actual number is) who are good enough for the pros, they will get their payday after 3- 4 years AND as @RaceBannon has pointed out numerous times, the college football experience is far better than whatever some shitty NFL minor league would look like. College football is the 2nd most popular sport in America; and NFL farm system would not match this.
For the 98% who aren't good enough to earn a living, quit you bitching about how college football being "big business". Is there some huge surplus of profit going into some owner's pocket? All that revenue (after football expenses) circulates back into the athletic department to fund the non revenue programs. Why should some 2nd or 3rd string D-1 football player who isn't pro material anymore entitled to be paid than a women's soccer player?
College sports is for amateurs. Pro sports are for professionals. This isn't that hard. -
Chintersting tweet thread from cofounder of Ford Sports. As Coker and DDY and others have pointed out, something that should be celebrated about college sports is the education. Tracy Ford knows that a majority of his kids are not going to make it to the NFL, but he does know his efforts can lead to helping kids get a college education. What you do with it is a up to you.
First and foremost the numbers just don't add up.
These guys need to put their situation in perspective. A lot of kids they went to high school with would love to be in their situation. They probably have former classmates who are missing the opportunity to go to school, loved playing football, but didn't win the genetic lottery a lot of these kids have. Hell even their own siblings.
With regards to shitty degrees, there are academic programs at the UW, that have been created, with athletes in mind, that have been marketed to athletes for years, which have been overwhelmingly ignored by football and basketball players. -
Then there's this, which I shudder to admit here. As you know Yella, I have a bit of arrogance in me by which I come naturally along with my hot temper, good looks and dance moves.YellowSnow said:
I'm like 10th generation @creepycoug . My Engrish is not skrong.creepycoug said:YellowSnow said:For the life of me, I am having a hard damn time understanding the logic of the college football players wishing to be paid employees. For the 2% (or whatever the actual number is) who are good enough for the pros, they will get their payday after 3- 4 years AND as @RaceBannon has pointed out numerous times, the college football experience is far better than whatever some shitty NFL minor league would look like. College football is the 2nd most popular sport in America; and NFL farm system would not match this.
For the 98% who aren't good enough to earn a living, quit you bitching about how college football being "big business". Is there some huge surplus of profit going into some owner's pocket? All that revenue (after football expenses) circulates back into the athletic department to fund the non revenue programs. Why should some 2nd or 3rd string D-1 football player who isn't pro material anymore entitled to be paid than a women's soccer player?
College sports is for amateurs. Pro sports are for professionals. This isn't that hard.
There is, to me, some appeal, or at least intrigue, to reverting back to the ideal of the real-student athlete. As you know, I've been in that environment now for the last 5 years, and once you're invested, it can be a good tim. It reminds you that the connection to the place is a lot of what matters as a fan. I don't think it'll happen becuase there are too many powerful interests with a dog in the fight.
Catching a tilt between Middlebury and Amherst wasn't the worst way I've ever spent a Saturday afternoon. And, the further away from men's football and basketball you get, the less noticeable the difference tends to be. But for those two sports especially, it's a whole different level. -
I stopped reading after $120K. Most big-tim sports are played at state universities, and it doesn't cost $120k / yr. for tuition and room/board. It also doesn't cost 120k/year for tuition/room/board/books at Stanford. So whatever he had to say after that, I didn't get to it.huskyhooligan said:Chintersting tweet thread from cofounder of Ford Sports. As Coker and DDY and others have pointed out, something that should be celebrated about college sports is the education. Tracy Ford knows that a majority of his kids are not going to make it to the NFL, but he does know his efforts can lead to helping kids get a college education. What you do with it is a up to you.
First and foremost the numbers just don't add up.
These guys need to put their situation in perspective. A lot of kids they went to high school with would love to be in their situation. They probably have former classmates who are missing the opportunity to go to school, loved playing football, but didn't win the genetic lottery a lot of these kids have. Hell even their own siblings.
With regards to shitty degrees, there are academic programs at the UW, that have been created, with athletes in mind, that have been marketed to athletes for years, which have been overwhelmingly ignored by football and basketball players. -
FSP doesn't want college expenses eating into families' budgets for their shit.huskyhooligan said:Chintersting tweet thread from cofounder of Ford Sports. As Coker and DDY and others have pointed out, something that should be celebrated about college sports is the education. Tracy Ford knows that a majority of his kids are not going to make it to the NFL, but he does know his efforts can lead to helping kids get a college education. What you do with it is a up to you.
First and foremost the numbers just don't add up.
These guys need to put their situation in perspective. A lot of kids they went to high school with would love to be in their situation. They probably have former classmates who are missing the opportunity to go to school, loved playing football, but didn't win the genetic lottery a lot of these kids have. Hell even their own siblings.
With regards to shitty degrees, there are academic programs at the UW, that have been created, with athletes in mind, that have been marketed to athletes for years, which have been overwhelmingly ignored by football and basketball players. -
Chintellectually, agree.creepycoug said:
I've been worried about this for years. Of course, like anyone, I want to preserve what I'm used to. But intellectually the current system has not made much sense to me for years. It's not the capitalist way. I believe we are the only country on the planet that ties sports with college to the degree we do. Everywhere else, you go to college or you go to some club place to do your thing and it goes from there. UW, as a universtiy, would be just fine w/o sports. It would feel a lot different for those of us who were there with sports, but over time, that memory would fade.RaceBannon said:The players need a minor league separate from college. Part of transforming America. Time for a change
I'm with them. Divorce football and universities.
Enter the workforce for the NFL minor league
But fuck Europe and their sports clubs and shit. I love the anachronism of AMERICAN college football and I guess the other sports too. It's OK that weº do things different than the rest of the world.
I don't know nor care about how Belgium or France is setup. I do know that the British amateur sports system was implicitly, if not explicitly, elitist. It was construed in such a way that only aristocrats could afford to partake. The American system shares those roots with the Ivies, but over time evolved to be egalitarian and meritocratic.
