Europe cases are going up, India in big trouble.

insinceredawg said:

LoneStarDawg said:

insinceredawg said:

RaceBannon said:

incremetal_progress said:

Part 1: We're just testing more so who cares.

Part 2: Ok fine cases are actually going up regardless of testing but who cares, deaths are down.

Part 3: Who cares about hospitalizations going up, deaths are still down. Time is ticking.

Part 4: Who cares how many people died today, post the death rate.

Its always been the rate moron

Who the fuck cares how many people catch a mild cold

Let's ruin the economy

The economy was going to get ruined with or without a lockdown. Look at this board's favorite case study, Sweden

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html

Ever since the coronavirus emerged in Europe, Sweden has captured international attention by conducting an unorthodox, open-air experiment. It has allowed the world to examine what happens in a pandemic when a government allows life to carry on largely unhindered.

This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.

“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”

The results of Sweden’s experience are relevant well beyond Scandinavian shores. In the United States, where the virus is spreading with alarming speed, many states have — at President Trump’s urging — avoided lockdowns or lifted them prematurely on the assumption that this would foster economic revival, allowing people to return to workplaces, shops and restaurants.

In Britain, Prime Minister Boris Johnson — previously hospitalized with Covid-19 — reopened pubs and restaurants last weekend in a bid to restore normal economic life.

Implicit in these approaches is the assumption that governments must balance saving lives against the imperative to spare jobs, with the extra health risks of rolling back social distancing potentially justified by a resulting boost to prosperity. But Sweden’s grim result — more death, and nearly equal economic damage — suggests that the supposed choice between lives and paychecks is a false one: A failure to impose social distancing can cost lives and jobs at the same time.

Sweden put stock in the sensibility of its people as it largely avoided imposing government prohibitions. The government allowed restaurants, gyms, shops, playgrounds and most schools to remain open. By contrast, Denmark and Norway opted for strict quarantines, banning large groups and locking down shops and restaurants.

More than three months later, the coronavirus is blamed for 5,420 deaths in Sweden, according to the World Health Organization. That might not sound especially horrendous compared with the more than 129,000 Americans who have died. But Sweden is a country of only 10 million people. Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more deaths than the United States, 12 times more than Norway, seven times more than Finland and six times more than Denmark.

Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more coronavirus-related deaths than the United States.

The elevated death toll resulting from Sweden’s approach has been clear for many weeks. What is only now emerging is how Sweden, despite letting its economy run unimpeded, has still suffered business-destroying, prosperity-diminishing damage, and at nearly the same magnitude of its neighbors.

Sweden’s central bank expects its economy to contract by 4.5 percent this year, a revision from a previously expected gain of 1.3 percent. The unemployment rate jumped to 9 percent in May from 7.1 percent in March. “The overall damage to the economy means the recovery will be protracted, with unemployment remaining elevated,” Oxford Economics concluded in a recent research note.

This is more or less how damage caused by the pandemic has played out in Denmark, where the central bank expects that the economy will shrink 4.1 percent this year, and where joblessness has edged up to 5.6 percent in May from 4.1 percent in March.

In short, Sweden suffered a vastly higher death rate while failing to collect on the expected economic gains.

NYT with the profiles in courage article fluffing it’s own narrative. Let’s wait until the game is over before we write the record books.

There is no avoiding a recession in the pandemic, that much is true. Hell even China went ahead and sacrificed everyone they could to get past this thing and they’re getting hit with a huge recession. however trying to say Sweden’s neighboring counties will 100% avoid the exposure sweden has had will only be confirmed once this pandemic is gone. If a breakthrough treatment or vaccine shows up before winter 2021 then Sweden fucked up. I have a feeling this shitty virus is going to have to run it’s course for the most part. Either way winter 2021 will be interesting.

That's my point. Some here like Race are convinced if we didn't shut down that business would have continued on as usual. While there's a small subset of the population (which is well represented on this board) that still think the virus is a mild cold and don't think any precautions are necessary, the majority are aware of the risks and have adjusted their lives accordingly.

Most of western Europe and Asia successfully controlled the virus by either enforcing strict lockdowns or eraly contact tracing and have begun to return to some level of normalcy. Here in the US we're still in a never ending first wave and setting records for new cases multiple times a week. There is no debate that the US completely botched this pandemic.