Kemp for Pippen Trade in 1994
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7SbG-8Bvgk
Look at how Inside the NBA used to be is hilarious. I love Phil's reaction to the game winner like he didn't even had a doubt.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041101
Good article by Simmons about Pippen. -
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It would have been really bad for the Bulls to make the deal. With Kemp at the 4, they probably never sign Rodman. Kemp and Jordan would have been the two guys. Any team with Michael Jordan and Shawn Kemp will be really good, but I doubt they 3 peat if they lost Pippen.
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Kukoc would have had a starring role on that team.RoadDawg55 said:It would have been really bad for the Bulls to make the deal. With Kemp at the 4, they probably never sign Rodman. Kemp and Jordan would have been the two guys. Any team with Michael Jordan and Shawn Kemp will be really good, but I doubt they 3 peat if they lost Pippen.
Agree that no chance that they would have grabbed Rodman.
They aren't 3 peating.
They probably aren't getting past the Pacers in '98.
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I don't remember that at all, and I listened to quite a bit of KJR then. Of course, KJR Was both the flagship station of the SuperSonics and they also shared an owner, so the whitewashing level was high.He_Needs_More_Time said:Remember guys Wally had no stones. In December of 1994 he turned down a Drexler to Seattle for Gill and a first rounder.
Seattle wins a title in 94-95 with that trade.
Discussing what could have been with those Sonics is as depressing as talking about the Lambo years. Good thing they were happening at once.
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Read up I posted some Drexler to Seattle links. I think had Whitsitt still been in Seattle some major trades would have happened as he proved after the 1993 year he isn't afraid to shake up a roster that is close to a title.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
I don't remember that at all, and I listened to quite a bit of KJR then. Of course, KJR Was both the flagship station of the SuperSonics and they also shared an owner, so the whitewashing level was high.He_Needs_More_Time said:Remember guys Wally had no stones. In December of 1994 he turned down a Drexler to Seattle for Gill and a first rounder.
Seattle wins a title in 94-95 with that trade.
Discussing what could have been with those Sonics is as depressing as talking about the Lambo years. Good thing they were happening at once.
Fuck.
Also him being in Portland really made the Drexler trade tough.
Walker was just a color commentator with no GM experience then they made him GM. Be like the Mariners handing the keys to Ron Fairly or the Seahawks giving the keys to Steve Rable. Very irresponsible move by Ackerly. -
Yeah, no shit. He was always a top 3-4 SF from 1990 until 1998, but he's not some top 10 or even 20 all-time player by any stretch. Again, simply inserting him in the '94-'95 line-up and not getting a solid bruiser four to replace Kemp, then expecting a title is FS.dnc said:
Finally some sanity.allpurpleallgold said:Way to much Pippen love in this thread. When MJ was retired even Phil knew to go to Kukoc, not Pippen, with the game on the line. The second best player in the league doesn't get passed over for the last shot in a playoff game. Unless you'd like to criticize Phil Jackson's coaching.
Kemp was clearly the second best player on the court in the 96 Finals and that was going against Rodman.
If Pippen doesn't play alongside MJ the majority of his career he's just a dude with a lot of All NBA defensive team accolades and a handful of All Star appearances. The All NBAs and Olympic team selection never happens without Jordan.
Pippen was good - great on the defensive end - but he was not close to as good as this thread makes him out to be.
Did Pippen have an overall better career? Yeah, probably. That doesn't mean they automatically win a ring.
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The fuck? You are way under selling Pippen there. From 1994-1996 there was no better SF than him. In 1997 I'd say Grant Hill was better and in 1993/1992 you could argue Chris Mullen.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Yeah, no shit. He was always a top 3-4 SF from 1990 until 1998, but he's not some top 10 or even 20 all-time player by any stretch. Again, simply inserting him in the '94-'95 line-up and not getting a solid bruiser four to replace Kemp, then expecting a title is FS.dnc said:
Finally some sanity.allpurpleallgold said:Way to much Pippen love in this thread. When MJ was retired even Phil knew to go to Kukoc, not Pippen, with the game on the line. The second best player in the league doesn't get passed over for the last shot in a playoff game. Unless you'd like to criticize Phil Jackson's coaching.
Kemp was clearly the second best player on the court in the 96 Finals and that was going against Rodman.
If Pippen doesn't play alongside MJ the majority of his career he's just a dude with a lot of All NBA defensive team accolades and a handful of All Star appearances. The All NBAs and Olympic team selection never happens without Jordan.
Pippen was good - great on the defensive end - but he was not close to as good as this thread makes him out to be.
Did Pippen have an overall better career? Yeah, probably. That doesn't mean they automatically win a ring.
He was either the best SF or 2nd best. Also in the article it stated had the trade gone down they would have added Horace Grant who averaged 15 PPG, 11 RPG and 3.5 assists per game while being 2nd team all defense. -
I'll admit missing out on these type of dunks would have made me sad. Crazy at age 24 Kemp really only had 3 really good years left in him after that and a fourth year he was good.
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If you can sign Grant then you definitely make the trade.
Cant believe they could have got Drexler. That would have been the greatest finals of all time in 1996.
Fucking Wally Walker. This guy was such a fucking disaster. He should be nowhere near the Sonics when they return. Cant stand the guy. -
I was doing some research last night on looking at the impact of this trade. Trading Kemp a 2nd team all NBA guy for Pippen a 1st team guy is a huge upgrade.
Since 1991 only three NBA teams have won a title without a first team all NBA player(2011 Mavs, 2004 Pistons and 1995 Rockets). Only the 1995 Rockets in the span won a title without a first or second team all NBA player(They had two third team guys).
Just something to look at and going forward this year.
Also for those doubting Pippen could have guarded a big here is a good highlight of him shutting down Barkley.
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Barkley was the shortest power forward of all time. I'm not sure that means Pippen could have shut down Karl Malone.
I agree upgrading from a second team all NBA to first team all NBA is a big jump I don't think Pippen was a first team all NBA guy if he's playing in Seattle and out of Phil's system. But you guys have made a hell of a case for him, I'm reevaluating to some degree. I just fucking hate the dude. -
Oh I wasn't implying that at all. To be fair nobody was shutting down Karl Malone in the 90's either(unless it was the opponent called "free throw" in a big game).dnc said:Barkley was the shortest power forward of all time. I'm not sure that means Pippen could have shut down Karl Malone.
I agree upgrading from a second team all NBA to first team all NBA is a big jump I don't think Pippen was a first team all NBA guy if he's playing in Seattle and out of Phil's system. But you guys have made a hell of a case for him, I'm reevaluating to some degree. I just fucking hate the dude.
I would have only liked the Pippen trade with the condition of signing Grant who was coming off of a 15 PPG/11 RPG/ 3.5 APG and 2nd team all defensive selection. So Seattle's starting five would have had three top 10 all defensive players. -
Barkley's like 6' 5"He_Needs_More_Time said:I was doing some research last night on looking at the impact of this trade. Trading Kemp a 2nd team all NBA guy for Pippen a 1st team guy is a huge upgrade.
Since 1991 only three NBA teams have won a title without a first team all NBA player(2011 Mavs, 2004 Pistons and 1995 Rockets). Only the 1995 Rockets in the span won a title without a first or second team all NBA player(They had two third team guys).
Just something to look at and going forward this year.
Also for those doubting Pippen could have guarded a big here is a good highlight of him shutting down Barkley.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SGe-vp_l8U -
If they could've signed Grant, it would have been awesome. They didn't even need someone as productive as him, just someone who can grab 8-9 rebounds, play decent defense, kick some ass, and score 10 points or so.
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