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DoogieMcDoogerson
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Flu Deaths source for 2018 - CDC
COVID-19 Deaths source for 2020 - Covid Tacking Project
For about 1/2 the states the COVID deaths would be a weak to average flu year.
COVID-19 Deaths source for 2020 - Covid Tacking Project
For about 1/2 the states the COVID deaths would be a weak to average flu year.
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How about another column with R or D for each state's governor?
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The top 15 are almost a shutout for the Dems. What are there, maybe 2 GOPs in the bunch? 3? And I'm not sure MD even counts as he is basically a RINO at this point.PurpleThrobber said:How about another column with R or D for each state's governor?
So, the data shows Dems love killing people and then blaming Republicans for it. News at 11. -
ITS NOT THE FLU
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How many of these Covid Deaths are flu deaths....
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Exactly. If there wasn't a test, the bureaucracy is calling it for the chicom crud. But according to the dems, SCIENCE, demanded a national or statewide lockdown. No damn fishing in eastern Washington and no damn playing of tennis in West Linn. PC politics demanded we put 46 million Americans out of work to protect the elderly and those with pre-existing medical conditions. Targeting the vulnerable was not acceptable. Destroying the best American economy for minorities in history to elect Slo Joe so he could save those minorities was the priority.YouKnowIt said:How many of these Covid Deaths are flu deaths....
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Most of themYouKnowIt said:How many of these Covid Deaths are flu deaths....
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Ok Arizona and Indiana. MA and MD aren't actual Republicans.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
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We had the seasonal flu this year in addition to the coronavirus. You all seem to forget that.
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Seems to oddly be a "light year" in terms of flu deaths...HHusky said:We had the seasonal flu this year in addition to the coronavirus. You all seem to forget that.
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There was weekly excess deaths until there wasn't in June.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
Seems to oddly be a "light year" in terms of flu deaths...HHusky said:We had the seasonal flu this year in addition to the coronavirus. You all seem to forget that.
Will be interesting to see what the total excess death was in a year or two.
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Nope. Actually pretty typical.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
Seems to oddly be a "light year" in terms of flu deaths...HHusky said:We had the seasonal flu this year in addition to the coronavirus. You all seem to forget that.
Which illustrates the other problem with your chart. 2018 was higher than typical. But, again, we didn't trade the flu for coronavirus; we now have both. -
Pointing out that people still die in other manners like car accidents or cancer is a rather irrelevant fact when discussing the comparative risk assessment or IFR of a disease.HHusky said:
Nope. Actually pretty typical.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
Seems to oddly be a "light year" in terms of flu deaths...HHusky said:We had the seasonal flu this year in addition to the coronavirus. You all seem to forget that.
Which illustrates the other problem with your chart. 2018 was higher than typical. But, again, we didn't trade the flu for coronavirus; we now have both. -
I agree. Yet suggesting we typically lose 137,000 people (and counting) to the flu would be ridiculous. And calling it just a "bad flu year" when we lose 137,000 to a different virus, and still have 35,000 or so dead from the flu as well, is simply dishonest.Houhusky said:
Pointing out that people still die in other manners like car accidents or cancer is a rather irrelevant fact when discussing the comparative risk assessment or IFR of a disease.HHusky said:
Nope. Actually pretty typical.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
Seems to oddly be a "light year" in terms of flu deaths...HHusky said:We had the seasonal flu this year in addition to the coronavirus. You all seem to forget that.
Which illustrates the other problem with your chart. 2018 was higher than typical. But, again, we didn't trade the flu for coronavirus; we now have both. -
With people sheltering in place--voluntarily or involuntarily--you would expect deaths to be way down.Houhusky said:
There was weekly excess deaths until there wasn't in June.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
Seems to oddly be a "light year" in terms of flu deaths...HHusky said:We had the seasonal flu this year in addition to the coronavirus. You all seem to forget that.
Will be interesting to see what the total excess death was in a year or two.
And your chart is the only place I have ever seen anyone estimate that actual cases are 12 times confirmed cases. That seems more like wishful thinking than analysis. -
Take out about 6 states, yes.
Could be anything. Don’t underestimate the pull forward deaths for those that would have died from the flu or something else that was minor in 2021 supposedly dying of Covid in 2020 in the over 80 category. Those probably will go down next year.Houhusky said:
There was weekly excess deaths until there wasn't in June.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
Seems to oddly be a "light year" in terms of flu deaths...HHusky said:We had the seasonal flu this year in addition to the coronavirus. You all seem to forget that.
Will be interesting to see what the total excess death was in a year or two.
The 30-40 somethings deaths in 2021 will be higher than 2020 though. -
If you die in a car accident (or any other manner) and test positive for China virus it's a virus death.Houhusky said:
Pointing out that people still die in other manners like car accidents or cancer is a rather irrelevant fact when discussing the comparative risk assessment or IFR of a disease.HHusky said:
Nope. Actually pretty typical.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
Seems to oddly be a "light year" in terms of flu deaths...HHusky said:We had the seasonal flu this year in addition to the coronavirus. You all seem to forget that.
Which illustrates the other problem with your chart. 2018 was higher than typical. But, again, we didn't trade the flu for coronavirus; we now have both. -
So if you add the two together, it's kind of like moderately worse than a bad flu year, right?HHusky said:
Nope. Actually pretty typical.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
Seems to oddly be a "light year" in terms of flu deaths...HHusky said:We had the seasonal flu this year in addition to the coronavirus. You all seem to forget that.
Which illustrates the other problem with your chart. 2018 was higher than typical. But, again, we didn't trade the flu for coronavirus; we now have both. -
It’s not done yet.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
So if you add the two together, it's kind of like moderately worse than a bad flu year, right?HHusky said:
Nope. Actually pretty typical.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
Seems to oddly be a "light year" in terms of flu deaths...HHusky said:We had the seasonal flu this year in addition to the coronavirus. You all seem to forget that.
Which illustrates the other problem with your chart. 2018 was higher than typical. But, again, we didn't trade the flu for coronavirus; we now have both. -
Hopefully
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Of courseRaceBannon said:Hopefully
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HHusky said:
With people sheltering in place--voluntarily or involuntarily--you would expect deaths to be way down.Houhusky said:
There was weekly excess deaths until there wasn't in June.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
Seems to oddly be a "light year" in terms of flu deaths...HHusky said:We had the seasonal flu this year in addition to the coronavirus. You all seem to forget that.
Will be interesting to see what the total excess death was in a year or two.
And your chart is the only place I have ever seen anyone estimate that actual cases are 12 times confirmed cases. That seems more like wishful thinking than analysis.
The fact that you havent "ever seen anyone estimate that actual cases are 12 times confirmed cases." just shows how uninformed you are on the topic.
The CDC has 6 different seroprevalance study locations and found actual cases were 6-24 times more than the confirmed cases... Its basically on the CDC front page...
Western Washington; March 23-Apr 1: 11X Higher
NYC Metro Region; March 23-Apr 1: 12X Higher
South Florida; Apr 6-Apr10: 11X Higher
Missouri; Apr 20-Apr26: 24X Higher
Utah; Apr 20-May3: 11X Higher
Connecticut; Apr26-May3: 6X Higher
CDC Link: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/commercial-lab-surveys.html#washington
Methodology Link: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.25.20140384v1.full.pdf
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Maybe someone did this and I didn't see it. If you apply the average amount of testing over the last week and apply that to history of the data we have, this is the "new cases" chart. Not so grim is it.
data from here:
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/united-states?country=~USA
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Clocks running out HH. Youre losing 34 to 17 with 81 seconds remaining. Looks to be a rather easy W for society and an L for you
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The Dazzler is hoping for an assist from the Elam scoring method.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Clocks running out HH. Youre losing 34 to 17 with 81 seconds remaining. Looks to be a rather easy W for society and an L for you
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You obviously can't read a scoreboard.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Clocks running out HH. Youre losing 34 to 17 with 81 seconds remaining. Looks to be a rather easy W for society and an L for you
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Your chart applies 12X to the country, not cherry picked locations.Houhusky said:HHusky said:
With people sheltering in place--voluntarily or involuntarily--you would expect deaths to be way down.Houhusky said:
There was weekly excess deaths until there wasn't in June.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
Seems to oddly be a "light year" in terms of flu deaths...HHusky said:We had the seasonal flu this year in addition to the coronavirus. You all seem to forget that.
Will be interesting to see what the total excess death was in a year or two.
And your chart is the only place I have ever seen anyone estimate that actual cases are 12 times confirmed cases. That seems more like wishful thinking than analysis.
The fact that you havent "ever seen anyone estimate that actual cases are 12 times confirmed cases." just shows how uninformed you are on the topic.
The CDC has 6 different seroprevalance study locations and found actual cases were 6-24 times more than the confirmed cases... Its basically on the CDC front page...
Western Washington; March 23-Apr 1: 11X Higher
NYC Metro Region; March 23-Apr 1: 12X Higher
South Florida; Apr 6-Apr10: 11X Higher
Missouri; Apr 20-Apr26: 24X Higher
Utah; Apr 20-May3: 11X Higher
Connecticut; Apr26-May3: 6X Higher
CDC Link: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/commercial-lab-surveys.html#washington
Methodology Link: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.25.20140384v1.full.pdf -
32,000 dead already and placing sick people into homes is competent government.
This data manipulation over this moderate virus has reached peaked stupid.
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Ah, yes, the independently collected multi state normalized data that maintain coalescence while being shown together by the CDC are "cherry picked"...HHusky said:
Your chart applies 12X to the country, not cherry picked locations.Houhusky said:HHusky said:
With people sheltering in place--voluntarily or involuntarily--you would expect deaths to be way down.Houhusky said:
There was weekly excess deaths until there wasn't in June.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
Seems to oddly be a "light year" in terms of flu deaths...HHusky said:We had the seasonal flu this year in addition to the coronavirus. You all seem to forget that.
Will be interesting to see what the total excess death was in a year or two.
And your chart is the only place I have ever seen anyone estimate that actual cases are 12 times confirmed cases. That seems more like wishful thinking than analysis.
The fact that you havent "ever seen anyone estimate that actual cases are 12 times confirmed cases." just shows how uninformed you are on the topic.
The CDC has 6 different seroprevalance study locations and found actual cases were 6-24 times more than the confirmed cases... Its basically on the CDC front page...
Western Washington; March 23-Apr 1: 11X Higher
NYC Metro Region; March 23-Apr 1: 12X Higher
South Florida; Apr 6-Apr10: 11X Higher
Missouri; Apr 20-Apr26: 24X Higher
Utah; Apr 20-May3: 11X Higher
Connecticut; Apr26-May3: 6X Higher
CDC Link: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/commercial-lab-surveys.html#washington
Methodology Link: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.25.20140384v1.full.pdf
How fucking retarded do you have to be to double down against what the CDC director is explicitly saying?
"Our best estimate right now is that for every case that was reported, there actually were 10 other infections," Dr. Robert Redfield, the director of the CDC, said during a call with reporters Thursday."
NPR source: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/25/883520249/cdc-at-least-20-million-americans-have-had-coronavirus-heres-who-s-at-highest-ri
Just admit you were uninformed -
"Redfield estimates that between 5% and 8% of the U.S. population has been exposed."Houhusky said:
Ah, yes, the independently collected multi state normalized data that maintain coalescence while being shown together by the CDC are "cherry picked"...HHusky said:
Your chart applies 12X to the country, not cherry picked locations.Houhusky said:HHusky said:
With people sheltering in place--voluntarily or involuntarily--you would expect deaths to be way down.Houhusky said:
There was weekly excess deaths until there wasn't in June.DoogieMcDoogerson said:
Seems to oddly be a "light year" in terms of flu deaths...HHusky said:We had the seasonal flu this year in addition to the coronavirus. You all seem to forget that.
Will be interesting to see what the total excess death was in a year or two.
And your chart is the only place I have ever seen anyone estimate that actual cases are 12 times confirmed cases. That seems more like wishful thinking than analysis.
The fact that you havent "ever seen anyone estimate that actual cases are 12 times confirmed cases." just shows how uninformed you are on the topic.
The CDC has 6 different seroprevalance study locations and found actual cases were 6-24 times more than the confirmed cases... Its basically on the CDC front page...
Western Washington; March 23-Apr 1: 11X Higher
NYC Metro Region; March 23-Apr 1: 12X Higher
South Florida; Apr 6-Apr10: 11X Higher
Missouri; Apr 20-Apr26: 24X Higher
Utah; Apr 20-May3: 11X Higher
Connecticut; Apr26-May3: 6X Higher
CDC Link: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/commercial-lab-surveys.html#washington
Methodology Link: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.25.20140384v1.full.pdf
How fucking retarded do you have to be to double down against what the CDC director is explicitly saying?
"Our best estimate right now is that for every case that was reported, there actually were 10 other infections," Dr. Robert Redfield, the director of the CDC, said during a call with reporters Thursday."
NPR source: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/25/883520249/cdc-at-least-20-million-americans-have-had-coronavirus-heres-who-s-at-highest-ri
Just admit you were uninformed
Whether he's right or wrong, this doesn't support your argument which assumed that more than 11% of Americans have contracted Covid. Nor does his estimate of 20 million cases in late June support your claim from early June that the number was then 38 million--and you must think it's well over 50 million by now.
Redfield's comments don't support anything you've said.
