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DoogieMcDoogerson
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Percentage of hospital beds occupied statewide by CV patients. Grim. Very Grim.



Also, never going to get there, Jay


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  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,164
    Grandma killer
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    Grandma killer

    I don't know how to tell you this, but... uh, all the grandmas are already gone.
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  • Dugdawg
    Dugdawg Member Posts: 308
    Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Dugdawg said:

    Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.

    link?
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,027
    Dugdawg said:

    Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.

    You’ve been cybering with @MontlakeBridgeTroll again, haven’t you?
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  • Dugdawg
    Dugdawg Member Posts: 308
    No. I'm living with peope who work this thing daily. No politics. Just fact.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Dugdawg said:

    No. I'm living with peope who work this thing daily. No politics. Just fact.

    Get that and I don’t think anybody is trying to shit on you ...

    But what specifically are we running short of?
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,683 Standard Supporter
    HoustonHusky said:

    Dugdawg said:

    Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.

    What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
    Nothing but it makes the China Virus sound worse than it is. Demorat think.
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  • MelloDawg
    MelloDawg Member Posts: 6,844
    edited July 2020
    HoustonHusky said:

    Dugdawg said:

    Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.

    What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
    Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.

    Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,729 Founders Club
    Keep hope alive

    Someday. Maybe 8 days or 2 weeks
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,640 Founders Club
    theknowledge said:

    oregonblitzkrieg said:

    You're telling me that a 42 year old man was stricken with a mystery flu that put him in the hospital. While in the hospital they put him in the Covid ward and he still didn't contract the vid. What the actual fuck is going on?


    It’s almost as if other viruses still exist. Early on when the testing was actually testing people with symptoms, 90% were coming back negative, which implies that there is other crud out there still.
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  • LoneStarDawg
    LoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,680 Founders Club
    MelloDawg said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Dugdawg said:

    Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.

    What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
    Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.

    Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
    Shut the fuck up mello



    22% of hospital beds in Houston are covid
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,640 Founders Club
    Houhusky said:

    MelloDawg said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Dugdawg said:

    Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.

    What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
    Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.

    Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
    Hospitalizations a lagging indicator of what? The ICU census and confirmed cases were highly coupled until the beginning of June, about 1 month ago.


    As far as Houston or hospital capacity.... The rumors of the overflowing cordwood hospitals seem exaggerated...

    http://memorialhermann.org/news/joint-statement-from-st--luke%E2%80%99s-health,-houston-methodist,-memorial-hermann-health-system---texas-children%E2%80%99s-hospital-regarding-houston-hospital-capacity-and-executive-order/

    "we want to reassure the public that this pandemic is not eclipsing our capabilities. Our hospitals have the ICU capacity, staff and supplies to meet the healthcare needs of our community. In addition, Texas hospitals continue to reserve 15 percent of capacity for COVID-19 patients and medical care continues to be routinely provided in inpatient and outpatient settings without taxing the overall hospitalization capacity."


    Likewise Texas Medical official publication from yesterday showed plenty of manageable capacity available... The vast majority of the ICU beds are occupied by non Covid patients and "can be managed by appropriately transferring patients from ICU to medical/surgical beds"

    https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/overview-of-tmc-icu-bed-capacity-and-occupancy/

    NFL teams that can’t actually sell out just put coverings on parts of the upper deck to still claim a sellout.

    Same phenomenon as hospitalizations, if the demand was there, they’d take off the coverings.
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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    MelloDawg said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Dugdawg said:

    Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.

    What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
    Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.

    Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
    That’s like saying Coke sales are up so we expect a lot more DUIs due to people drinking Jack and Cokes. There are a million and one factors that impact PPE supply and demand... no clue how you get to forecasting expected serious Covid hospitalizations from that.
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  • incremetal_progress
    incremetal_progress Member Posts: 358
    Houhusky said:

    MelloDawg said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Dugdawg said:

    Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.

    What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
    Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.

    Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
    Hospitalizations a lagging indicator of what? The ICU census and confirmed cases were highly coupled until the beginning of June, about 1 month ago.


    As far as Houston or hospital capacity.... The rumors of the overflowing cordwood hospitals seem exaggerated...

    http://memorialhermann.org/news/joint-statement-from-st--luke%E2%80%99s-health,-houston-methodist,-memorial-hermann-health-system---texas-children%E2%80%99s-hospital-regarding-houston-hospital-capacity-and-executive-order/

    "we want to reassure the public that this pandemic is not eclipsing our capabilities. Our hospitals have the ICU capacity, staff and supplies to meet the healthcare needs of our community. In addition, Texas hospitals continue to reserve 15 percent of capacity for COVID-19 patients and medical care continues to be routinely provided in inpatient and outpatient settings without taxing the overall hospitalization capacity."


    Likewise Texas Medical official publication from yesterday showed plenty of manageable capacity available... The vast majority of the ICU beds are occupied by non Covid patients and "can be managed by appropriately transferring patients from ICU to medical/surgical beds"

    https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/overview-of-tmc-icu-bed-capacity-and-occupancy/

    Hospital lags behind the mass transmission that has occurred since memorial day. Look at the states like Florida and Texas who opened up in May and are just as of 2 weeks ago hospitals starting filling. Now last week deaths began to spike in Texas.

    Compare that to states like California and Washington who opened up a month later but are still seeing an increase, they are simply a month behind but are on the same path if they don't turn it around. Remember the first confirmed case in Washington was January 22 and it took more than a month for a death to occur.

    This all happens on a timeline.
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  • incremetal_progress
    incremetal_progress Member Posts: 358
    LoneStarDawg said:

    MelloDawg said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Dugdawg said:

    Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.

    What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
    Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.

    Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
    Shut the fuck up mello



    22% of hospital beds in Houston are covid
    in 4 days
    "shut the fuck up only 25% of hospital beds in Houston are covid"
    in 8 days
    "shut the fuck up only 30% of hospital beds in Houston are covid"

    This shit doesn't get better before it gets worse and worse.
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,170 Standard Supporter
    Health care costs will come down over the long run after the unhealthy and obese are wiped out. We will build statues honoring COVID.
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  • LoneStarDawg
    LoneStarDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,680 Founders Club
    incremetal_progress said:

    LoneStarDawg said:

    MelloDawg said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Dugdawg said:

    Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.

    What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
    Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.

    Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
    Shut the fuck up mello



    22% of hospital beds in Houston are covid
    YEAH BUT STILL!!!!

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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    MelloDawg said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Dugdawg said:

    Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.

    What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
    Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.

    Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
    I've heard all the major heads of the Houston hospitals came out and said that they had plenty of capacity available a few weeks ago. Have things materially changed down there?
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    Bob_C said:

    It’s at the point where the data is so fucked up in collection methods changing over time and categorization and timing of deaths, and what defines a hospitalization, changing demographics, etc that it’s basically unanalyzable.

    Go back to March and early April and this was my biggest issue with where things were going to go ... as the goalposts move and definitions change trying to have accurate comparisons become impossible.

    We are hypothesizing that more cases are going to lead to more deaths ...

    But then when you look at Florida and see the average age of cases is give or take 30 years old in many key locations, the reality is that you're not going to see deaths have material correlations with cases ... at least compared to the beginning.

    The path forward has always been to make sure that we take care of the most at risk populations.
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  • incremetal_progress
    incremetal_progress Member Posts: 358
    edited July 2020
    Houhusky said:

    incremetal_progress said:

    Houhusky said:

    MelloDawg said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Dugdawg said:

    Youre full of shit. Washington clinics are already starting to run short of PPE again.

    What does running short of PPE have anything to do with the relatively low numbers of Covid patients in hospital beds?
    Do you think that hospitalizations are a lagging indicator? In other words, as the cases increase, do you think that hospitalizations will as well? Seems to be a logical progression. I do know that hospitals in hot spots such as Houston are full to the point where they're booking adults into children's hospitals because the regular ones can't accommodate them.

    Obviously, at this point, people are entrenched in their beliefs that COVID is either a big deal or it's not, no amount of data is going to convince one side either way. If hospitalizations go up, I don't imagine that'll move the needle for those who think COVID is exaggerated.
    Hospitalizations a lagging indicator of what? The ICU census and confirmed cases were highly coupled until the beginning of June, about 1 month ago.


    As far as Houston or hospital capacity.... The rumors of the overflowing cordwood hospitals seem exaggerated...

    http://memorialhermann.org/news/joint-statement-from-st--luke%E2%80%99s-health,-houston-methodist,-memorial-hermann-health-system---texas-children%E2%80%99s-hospital-regarding-houston-hospital-capacity-and-executive-order/

    "we want to reassure the public that this pandemic is not eclipsing our capabilities. Our hospitals have the ICU capacity, staff and supplies to meet the healthcare needs of our community. In addition, Texas hospitals continue to reserve 15 percent of capacity for COVID-19 patients and medical care continues to be routinely provided in inpatient and outpatient settings without taxing the overall hospitalization capacity."


    Likewise Texas Medical official publication from yesterday showed plenty of manageable capacity available... The vast majority of the ICU beds are occupied by non Covid patients and "can be managed by appropriately transferring patients from ICU to medical/surgical beds"

    https://www.tmc.edu/coronavirus-updates/overview-of-tmc-icu-bed-capacity-and-occupancy/

    Hospital lags behind the mass transmission that has occurred since memorial day. Look at the states like Florida and Texas who opened up in May and are just as of 2 weeks ago hospitals starting filling. Now last week deaths began to spike in Texas.

    Compare that to states like California and Washington who opened up a month later but are still seeing an increase, they are simply a month behind but are on the same path if they don't turn it around. Remember the first confirmed case in Washington was January 22 and it took more than a month for a death to occur.

    This all happens on a timeline.
    There is no "lag" between the confirmed case data and hospitalization data. There wasn't for the first 6 months of the "mass transmission"

    The CDC, on their website, states the median time from exposure to symptom is 4-5 days

    its been 49 days since Memorial day

    You have no fucking clue what you are talking about...
    Cases skyrocketed in Texas, Arizona, and Florida, then hospitalizations began to skyrocket, now deaths are going up in all three states. I don't see why these trends won't all continue.




    and even with that 4-5 day window which is too short and likely a result of a lack of testing not catching cases as early back in March as they do now, there is still a massive reporting delay on deaths and hospitalizations.

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