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Jason Whitlock: Colin Kaepernick is a fraud

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  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,775
    edited July 2020
    dnc said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    thechatch said:

    Whitlock is probably in the top 10 for black guys that get called an Uncle Tom by white guys. He’s a blowhard but I’ve never understood the vitriol some people have for that guy.

    I thought it was an outstanding article
    It really wasn't. And it was chalk full of bad, and flat-out wrong, history.

    The United States of America, because of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution, was actually a global leader in abolishing slavery.

    Slavery was a global phenemenon. Economies were reliant on it. You couldn’t just snap your fingers and make that kind of global tradition go away. The world still hasn’t rid itself of slavery. But we have and did. And we did it before most of the rest of the civilized world because our imperfect Founding Fathers had foresight.


    This is a load of shit. Almost the entirety of Europe and the Americas abolished slavery long before us. Great Sark > Ty moment for us beating out most of Asia and Africa, which certainly wasn't considered the "civilized world" in the 19th century.

    ATBSCKS. But so does Jason Whitlock.

    This is not true. Most of the Americas had WAY more slaves...Brazil had 20-30 times more than the US, the Caribbean had more, other South American countries had more

    Europe no longer had expansive colonies, but even the ones that "abolished" slavery like progressive Utopia Belgium established practices arguably worse than slavery. Ever read Heart of Darkness? First punishment for not meeting harvesting quota - chop off your hand. 2nd offense? We are going to feed your child to a cannibal tribe

    You liberals are literally ignorant of history. That is the fucking problem. You are naive and dumb. West African kingdoms conquered weaker kingdoms and sold the fucking human beings as slaves. Should Africans give black Americans reparations?

    How come the Middle East doesnt have a huge black population? After all, 50 to 100 times more Africans were enslaved in the Middle East than ever went to the Americas. Hmmm...maybe it's because Arabs literally cut their fucking dicks off to prevent them from ever reproducing, and the labor was so cruel most died within 5 years. There is still this type of slavery going on in North Africa today.

    Lets not even touch on the fact the word slave literally comes from Slav, as in the Slavic ethnic group. Every culture in the history of the world has been subject to fucked up imprisonment. Look up the word "janissary"

    Leftists....educate yourselves or fuck off and go be a dumbass in your own bubble
    This is a lot of words to say a lot of nothing, which is becoming par for the course for the new angry and politically incensed PGOS.

    Bottom line, holding up the U.S. as some trailblazer of abolishing slavery, which was the thrust of Whitlock's article, is fucking stupid. Of course Europe still had colonies with slavery, that's not the fucking discussion. If you spend lest time diving into angry rants about how the left is ruining your life you might recognize that the point here is pretty fucking simple.
    That wasn't the "thrust" of the article the way I read it. The thrust is that Kaepernick is a fraud and that his tweeting of Fredrick Douglas speech in order to condemn America’s Independence Day, is an example of that ignorance.

    Btw, which country has done more to abolish slavery around the world other than maybe England, than the US?

    Agreed. Kaep has always been an opportunistic fuck. He probably didn't know who Frederick Douglass was until 5 years ago.

    And whatever steps we?'ve taken to abolish global slavery in the last century doesn't change the fact that we? weren't FIRST.
    The article doesn't claim we were first but please continue with your strawman ass rape.
    But it does claim we were a global leader in abolition, which isn't true either.
    The Northern states had abolition policy in 1807! Look at the fucking charts I found for you. Fifty years later thousands died to prevent the South from splitting. Why did the South want to split? Slavery

    For further reading Emory university has an entire database on the topic I pulled the graphs from
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    Swaye said:

    Great graphic and HOLY SHIT, I had no idea more slaves went to South America and the West Indies than the rest of the world by a factor of like 10. Brazil needs to pay reparations stat!


    Yeah Brazil was the worst of the worst in both quantity and length. Rio De Janeiro alone had more slaves come through it's port than most other nations of the world (including the US).

    It's grim.

  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    edited July 2020

    dnc said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    thechatch said:

    Whitlock is probably in the top 10 for black guys that get called an Uncle Tom by white guys. He’s a blowhard but I’ve never understood the vitriol some people have for that guy.

    I thought it was an outstanding article
    It really wasn't. And it was chalk full of bad, and flat-out wrong, history.

    The United States of America, because of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution, was actually a global leader in abolishing slavery.

    Slavery was a global phenemenon. Economies were reliant on it. You couldn’t just snap your fingers and make that kind of global tradition go away. The world still hasn’t rid itself of slavery. But we have and did. And we did it before most of the rest of the civilized world because our imperfect Founding Fathers had foresight.


    This is a load of shit. Almost the entirety of Europe and the Americas abolished slavery long before us. Great Sark > Ty moment for us beating out most of Asia and Africa, which certainly wasn't considered the "civilized world" in the 19th century.

    ATBSCKS. But so does Jason Whitlock.

    This is not true. Most of the Americas had WAY more slaves...Brazil had 20-30 times more than the US, the Caribbean had more, other South American countries had more

    Europe no longer had expansive colonies, but even the ones that "abolished" slavery like progressive Utopia Belgium established practices arguably worse than slavery. Ever read Heart of Darkness? First punishment for not meeting harvesting quota - chop off your hand. 2nd offense? We are going to feed your child to a cannibal tribe

    You liberals are literally ignorant of history. That is the fucking problem. You are naive and dumb. West African kingdoms conquered weaker kingdoms and sold the fucking human beings as slaves. Should Africans give black Americans reparations?

    How come the Middle East doesnt have a huge black population? After all, 50 to 100 times more Africans were enslaved in the Middle East than ever went to the Americas. Hmmm...maybe it's because Arabs literally cut their fucking dicks off to prevent them from ever reproducing, and the labor was so cruel most died within 5 years. There is still this type of slavery going on in North Africa today.

    Lets not even touch on the fact the word slave literally comes from Slav, as in the Slavic ethnic group. Every culture in the history of the world has been subject to fucked up imprisonment. Look up the word "janissary"

    Leftists....educate yourselves or fuck off and go be a dumbass in your own bubble
    This is a lot of words to say a lot of nothing, which is becoming par for the course for the new angry and politically incensed PGOS.

    Bottom line, holding up the U.S. as some trailblazer of abolishing slavery, which was the thrust of Whitlock's article, is fucking stupid. Of course Europe still had colonies with slavery, that's not the fucking discussion. If you spend lest time diving into angry rants about how the left is ruining your life you might recognize that the point here is pretty fucking simple.
    That wasn't the "thrust" of the article the way I read it. The thrust is that Kaepernick is a fraud and that his tweeting of Fredrick Douglas speech in order to condemn America’s Independence Day, is an example of that ignorance.

    Btw, which country has done more to abolish slavery around the world other than maybe England, than the US?

    Agreed. Kaep has always been an opportunistic fuck. He probably didn't know who Frederick Douglass was until 5 years ago.

    And whatever steps we?'ve taken to abolish global slavery in the last century doesn't change the fact that we? weren't FIRST.
    The article doesn't claim we were first but please continue with your strawman ass rape.
    But it does claim we were a global leader in abolition, which isn't true either.
    The Northern states had abolition policy in 1807! Look at the fucking charts I found for you. Fifty years later thousands died to prevent the South from splitting. Why did the South want to split? Slavery

    For further reading Emory university has an entire database on the topic I pulled the graphs from
    If you want to argue there were Americans who were ahead of the curve on abolition that is certainly true. Jefferson saw the writing on the wall 30 years before 1807. But, unfortunately, as a nation the US was allowing and even expanding the territory where slavery was legal longer than most places in the western world.

    It was obviously far from a monolith on slavery - there was plenty of opposition. But the facts are the facts and the fact is as a nation we were late but thankfully not last.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    Swaye said:

    Great graphic and HOLY SHIT, I had no idea more slaves went to South America and the West Indies than the rest of the world by a factor of like 10. Brazil needs to pay reparations stat!


    That's not a accident that you don't know that. That information is intentionally downplayed.
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,741 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    Swaye said:

    Great graphic and HOLY SHIT, I had no idea more slaves went to South America and the West Indies than the rest of the world by a factor of like 10. Brazil needs to pay reparations stat!


    Yeah Brazil was the worst of the worst in both quantity and length. Rio De Janeiro alone had more slaves come through it's port than most other nations of the world (including the US).

    It's grim.

    What were they doing down there? We have cotton in the US and Sugar Cane in the indies, what was slavery used for in Brazil (and how could you need 5 MILLION people to do it)? Is there a great wall of South America that stretches around the continent or some shit?
  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,775
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    thechatch said:

    Whitlock is probably in the top 10 for black guys that get called an Uncle Tom by white guys. He’s a blowhard but I’ve never understood the vitriol some people have for that guy.

    I thought it was an outstanding article
    It really wasn't. And it was chalk full of bad, and flat-out wrong, history.

    The United States of America, because of the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution, was actually a global leader in abolishing slavery.

    Slavery was a global phenemenon. Economies were reliant on it. You couldn’t just snap your fingers and make that kind of global tradition go away. The world still hasn’t rid itself of slavery. But we have and did. And we did it before most of the rest of the civilized world because our imperfect Founding Fathers had foresight.


    This is a load of shit. Almost the entirety of Europe and the Americas abolished slavery long before us. Great Sark > Ty moment for us beating out most of Asia and Africa, which certainly wasn't considered the "civilized world" in the 19th century.

    ATBSCKS. But so does Jason Whitlock.

    This is not true. Most of the Americas had WAY more slaves...Brazil had 20-30 times more than the US, the Caribbean had more, other South American countries had more

    Europe no longer had expansive colonies, but even the ones that "abolished" slavery like progressive Utopia Belgium established practices arguably worse than slavery. Ever read Heart of Darkness? First punishment for not meeting harvesting quota - chop off your hand. 2nd offense? We are going to feed your child to a cannibal tribe

    You liberals are literally ignorant of history. That is the fucking problem. You are naive and dumb. West African kingdoms conquered weaker kingdoms and sold the fucking human beings as slaves. Should Africans give black Americans reparations?

    How come the Middle East doesnt have a huge black population? After all, 50 to 100 times more Africans were enslaved in the Middle East than ever went to the Americas. Hmmm...maybe it's because Arabs literally cut their fucking dicks off to prevent them from ever reproducing, and the labor was so cruel most died within 5 years. There is still this type of slavery going on in North Africa today.

    Lets not even touch on the fact the word slave literally comes from Slav, as in the Slavic ethnic group. Every culture in the history of the world has been subject to fucked up imprisonment. Look up the word "janissary"

    Leftists....educate yourselves or fuck off and go be a dumbass in your own bubble
    This is a lot of words to say a lot of nothing, which is becoming par for the course for the new angry and politically incensed PGOS.

    Bottom line, holding up the U.S. as some trailblazer of abolishing slavery, which was the thrust of Whitlock's article, is fucking stupid. Of course Europe still had colonies with slavery, that's not the fucking discussion. If you spend lest time diving into angry rants about how the left is ruining your life you might recognize that the point here is pretty fucking simple.
    That wasn't the "thrust" of the article the way I read it. The thrust is that Kaepernick is a fraud and that his tweeting of Fredrick Douglas speech in order to condemn America’s Independence Day, is an example of that ignorance.

    Btw, which country has done more to abolish slavery around the world other than maybe England, than the US?

    Agreed. Kaep has always been an opportunistic fuck. He probably didn't know who Frederick Douglass was until 5 years ago.

    And whatever steps we?'ve taken to abolish global slavery in the last century doesn't change the fact that we? weren't FIRST.
    The article doesn't claim we were first but please continue with your strawman ass rape.
    But it does claim we were a global leader in abolition, which isn't true either.
    The Northern states had abolition policy in 1807! Look at the fucking charts I found for you. Fifty years later thousands died to prevent the South from splitting. Why did the South want to split? Slavery

    For further reading Emory university has an entire database on the topic I pulled the graphs from
    If you want to argue there were Americans who were ahead of the curve on abolition that may be true. But as a nation the US was allowing and even expanding the territory where slavery was legal longer than most places in the western world.

    It was obviously far from a monolith on slavery - there was plenty of opposition. But the facts are the facts and the fact is as a nation we were late but thankfully not last.
    At that point in history American states were more of a contingent of countries banding together than a monolithic Fed

    So sure - southern plantation owners were late to the morally right game. No shit.

    The reason I started this argument was becuase of Gatorz insinuating Europe was some kind of beacon of morality when the truth is the polar opposite and they were committing state sponsored genocides based on race a long time after the civil war
  • Swaye
    Swaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,741 Founders Club
    SFGbob said:

    Swaye said:

    Great graphic and HOLY SHIT, I had no idea more slaves went to South America and the West Indies than the rest of the world by a factor of like 10. Brazil needs to pay reparations stat!


    That's not a accident that you don't know that. That information is intentionally downplayed.
    I like to think of myself as a pretty well read and savvy dude when I'm not drunk or changing diapers, and I honestly had no idea the scale was that massive in Brazil or the Indies. I mean, I knew the Indies was pretty heavy for the sugar trade, but damn. Why does the US take all the shit for slavery? It appears, if these numbers are to be believed, it was WAY worse, by a factor of like 10, elsewhere.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    Swaye said:

    dnc said:

    Swaye said:

    Great graphic and HOLY SHIT, I had no idea more slaves went to South America and the West Indies than the rest of the world by a factor of like 10. Brazil needs to pay reparations stat!


    Yeah Brazil was the worst of the worst in both quantity and length. Rio De Janeiro alone had more slaves come through it's port than most other nations of the world (including the US).

    It's grim.

    What were they doing down there? We have cotton in the US and Sugar Cane in the indies, what was slavery used for in Brazil (and how could you need 5 MILLION people to do it)? Is there a great wall of South America that stretches around the continent or some shit?
    Check out the numbers on the mortality rates and lifespan for African slaves that were shipped to South America and the Caribbean. One of the reasons why they needed so many of them.