TBS Alert: Benning Potoae Edition
When asked about Washington and his brother playing there with Sark and staff, and if those coaches being gone effected his view of Washington at all:
Loose quotes....
"The new coaches being there made me want to go to UW more, and with Sark leaving and him offering it didn't really effect me because it didn't really attract me. But with Coach Petersen getting to know him creating a relationship with him it has an effect on me with how I feel about UW"
What those coaches did to Sione was criminal, imo.
Fuck.
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Are you twisting what Potoae said? Don't be a twister.
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I thought Sark was this awesome coach and recruiter though ... that's what Capt. Twister says
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Crisp. Today is one of your better efforts overall.Tequilla said:I thought Sark was this awesome coach and recruiter though ... that's what Capt. Twister says
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I've been a little more long winded lately ... it's what happens when I start talking about hoops.
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BP is '15 for starters, and Sione "Patoa'e" did it to himself. He wasn't very good u ignant pucker fuckerCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Just heard this gem from Benning Potoae (2016 DE, Lakes HS)
When asked about Washington and his brother playing there with Sark and staff, and if those coaches being gone effected his view of Washington at all:
Loose quotes....
"The new coaches being there made me want to go to UW more, and with Sark leaving and him offering it didn't really effect me because it didn't really attract me. But with Coach Petersen getting to know him creating a relationship with him it has an effect on me with how I feel about UW"
What those coaches did to Sione was criminal, imo.
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Sorry...the fuck did Sark do to Sione?
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You say Potoae, I say Potoa'e.
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I agree with PL SS. Potoa'e, like Cody Bruns, was not screwed. They played too early, but they were never very good. Potoa'e was 6'2" 270 as a junior in high school and never got any bigger. He never even flashed anything for even a game. Even Donny Mateaki had a monster game (Oregon State).
The best Potoa'e did was make 2 tackles eight yards downfield against Cal in 2012. The doogs on doogman thought that was his breakout game. The injuries hampered him, but he did shitty under two different defensive coaching staffs. Evan Hudson moved over and started right away over a senior Potoa'e. The Nick Holt quote about the coaches messing up if he didn't make the NFL in three years is still great though.
My fear with the younger Potoa'e is he is just like his brother. He's been the same size for two years now and has plummeted down the rankings. Biggins said he was going to be a 5 star guy two years ago. Now, he is the #25 DE. You know he's not getting very good coaching at Lakes either. -
Whose fault was it that he wasn't very good? It's the coaching staff! He was a highly rated recruit who once again Sark burned his RS even though he hardly played.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
BP is '15 for starters, and Sione "Patoa'e" did it to himself. He wasn't very good u ignant pucker fuckerCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Just heard this gem from Benning Potoae (2016 DE, Lakes HS)
When asked about Washington and his brother playing there with Sark and staff, and if those coaches being gone effected his view of Washington at all:
Loose quotes....
"The new coaches being there made me want to go to UW more, and with Sark leaving and him offering it didn't really effect me because it didn't really attract me. But with Coach Petersen getting to know him creating a relationship with him it has an effect on me with how I feel about UW"
What those coaches did to Sione was criminal, imo.
Fuck.
Now perhaps he was soft but was so was ASJ. I put this on the coaching staff for not developing him.
They failed to develop the interior players on both sides of the ball which was why UW was never going to win with Sark. -
Where the fuck do you hide out all day? Lurking doogman?puppylove_sugarsteel said:
BP is '15 for starters, and Sione "Patoa'e" did it to himself. He wasn't very good u ignant pucker fuckerCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Just heard this gem from Benning Potoae (2016 DE, Lakes HS)
When asked about Washington and his brother playing there with Sark and staff, and if those coaches being gone effected his view of Washington at all:
Loose quotes....
"The new coaches being there made me want to go to UW more, and with Sark leaving and him offering it didn't really effect me because it didn't really attract me. But with Coach Petersen getting to know him creating a relationship with him it has an effect on me with how I feel about UW"
What those coaches did to Sione was criminal, imo.
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Agreed. Tequilla making a solid poont in less than 500 words is solid.CuntWaffle said:
Crisp. Today is one of your better efforts overall.Tequilla said:I thought Sark was this awesome coach and recruiter though ... that's what Capt. Twister says
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Do you need a permit to post horse shit like this?RoadDawg55 said:I agree with PL SS. Potoa'e, like Cody Bruns, was not screwed. They played too early, but they were never very good. Potoa'e was 6'2" 270 as a junior in high school and never got any bigger. He never even flashed anything for even a game. Even Donny Mateaki had a monster game (Oregon State).
The best Potoa'e did was make 2 tackles eight yards downfield against Cal in 2012. The doogs on doogman thought that was his breakout game. The injuries hampered him, but he did shitty under two different defensive coaching staffs. Evan Hudson moved over and started right away over a senior Potoa'e. The Nick Holt quote about the coaches messing up if he didn't make the NFL in three years is still great though.
My fear with the younger Potoa'e is he is just like his brother. He's been the same size for two years now and has plummeted down the rankings. Biggins said he was going to be a 5 star guy two years ago. Now, he is the #25 DE. You know he's not getting very good coaching at Lakes either.
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You wanna rethink that one?RoadDawg55 said:I agree with PL SS. Potoa'e, like Cody Bruns, was not screwed. They played too early, but they were never very good. Potoa'e was 6'2" 270 as a junior in high school and never got any bigger. He never even flashed anything for even a game. Even Donny Mateaki had a monster game (Oregon State).
The best Potoa'e did was make 2 tackles eight yards downfield against Cal in 2012. The doogs on doogman thought that was his breakout game. The injuries hampered him, but he did shitty under two different defensive coaching staffs. Evan Hudson moved over and started right away over a senior Potoa'e. The Nick Holt quote about the coaches messing up if he didn't make the NFL in three years is still great though.
My fear with the younger Potoa'e is he is just like his brother. He's been the same size for two years now and has plummeted down the rankings. Biggins said he was going to be a 5 star guy two years ago. Now, he is the #25 DE. You know he's not getting very good coaching at Lakes either. -
No, potoa'e sucked. He shouldn't have played as a freshman, but it wouldn't have made a difference. He never got any bigger. Sometimes guys are busts. They happen at every school. Potoa'e was always overrated.allpurpleallgold said:
You wanna rethink that one?RoadDawg55 said:I agree with PL SS. Potoa'e, like Cody Bruns, was not screwed. They played too early, but they were never very good. Potoa'e was 6'2" 270 as a junior in high school and never got any bigger. He never even flashed anything for even a game. Even Donny Mateaki had a monster game (Oregon State).
The best Potoa'e did was make 2 tackles eight yards downfield against Cal in 2012. The doogs on doogman thought that was his breakout game. The injuries hampered him, but he did shitty under two different defensive coaching staffs. Evan Hudson moved over and started right away over a senior Potoa'e. The Nick Holt quote about the coaches messing up if he didn't make the NFL in three years is still great though.
My fear with the younger Potoa'e is he is just like his brother. He's been the same size for two years now and has plummeted down the rankings. Biggins said he was going to be a 5 star guy two years ago. Now, he is the #25 DE. You know he's not getting very good coaching at Lakes either.
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Axe @monroecougdadsarktastic said:
Do you need a permit to post horse shit like this?RoadDawg55 said:I agree with PL SS. Potoa'e, like Cody Bruns, was not screwed. They played too early, but they were never very good. Potoa'e was 6'2" 270 as a junior in high school and never got any bigger. He never even flashed anything for even a game. Even Donny Mateaki had a monster game (Oregon State).
The best Potoa'e did was make 2 tackles eight yards downfield against Cal in 2012. The doogs on doogman thought that was his breakout game. The injuries hampered him, but he did shitty under two different defensive coaching staffs. Evan Hudson moved over and started right away over a senior Potoa'e. The Nick Holt quote about the coaches messing up if he didn't make the NFL in three years is still great though.
My fear with the younger Potoa'e is he is just like his brother. He's been the same size for two years now and has plummeted down the rankings. Biggins said he was going to be a 5 star guy two years ago. Now, he is the #25 DE. You know he's not getting very good coaching at Lakes either.
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I trust Petersen will know what to do with Potoae to make him a successful player. He's already made more of an impression on him than Sark did in the 2-3 years he was recruiting him based on this quote:
"But with Coach Petersen getting to know [Sione], creating a relationship with him, it has an effect on me with how I feel about UW" -
I think a guy like Ducre or Kevin Smith was screwed more than Potoa'e. If Ducre would have redshirted, he would have had a chance to put another year of starting on tape for NFL scouts. Smith could have had another year of solid production. They could have greatly increased their NFL chances. Instead, their futures were hurt for some token appearances in 2010. Potoa'e did absolutely nothing his entire career. You can't put all of that blame on the coaches.
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Sark's all about the 90 seconds of instant gratification ...
Very rarely do you get guys that are ready to play as a freshman and contribute at a high level. Almost always you are better off having a guy redshirt and be better at 22 years old.
The exception to the rules are guys like Shaq Thompson (who you figure is going to stay 3 years regardless of a RS), Kasen Williams, ASJ, etc. where they are physically ready to contribute as true frosh. Most guys are at best special teams contributors as freshman and if that's the case, you're almost always better off redshirting.
I do think it's fair to note that the program did have some depth issues when Sark took over so some of the earliest playing of guys was perhaps more necessary. But in the grand scheme of things, at this point, the program has depth and redshirting should be the rule not the exception. -
Here's something else for those who think Potoa'e was fucked by Sark. Ta'Amu, Everette Thompson, Shelton, and Kikaha all didn't redshirt. All of them are/were way better than Potoa'e. Potoa'e was as fucked by not redshirting as Talia Crichton.
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I don't blame Sark for Potato. The only thing that really wowed people about him out of high school was that he could bench press a lot, never really heard about him being a monster on the field.
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Kevin Smith really pisses me off because we only got one year out of him. He was wasted in 2010, 2011 just couldn't crack a talented lineup, was hurt all of 2012 yet Sark didn't medical redshirt him.RoadDawg55 said:I think a guy like Ducre or Kevin Smith was screwed more than Potoa'e. If Ducre would have redshirted, he would have had a chance to put another year of starting on tape for NFL scouts. Smith could have had another year of solid production. They could have greatly increased their NFL chances. Instead, their futures were hurt for some token appearances in 2010. Potoa'e did absolutely nothing his entire career. You can't put all of that blame on the coaches.
Sark had not one but two chances to make sure Smith had a 2014 season. Then again I think Sark knew he was gone after this year either way. -
Huh? Thompson was a fucking scrub. He was on the same level as Crichton. He was a three year starter who would go weeks upon weeks without ever hearing his name called. Please don't mention Everette Thompson as someone who was good ever again.RoadDawg55 said:Here's something else for those who think Potoa'e was fucked by Sark. Ta'Amu, Everette Thompson, Shelton, and Kikaha all didn't redshirt. All of them are/were way better than Potoa'e. Potoa'e was as fucked by not redshirting as Talia Crichton.
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I didn't say he was good. He was way better than Potao'e though. He's not on the same level as Crichton either. Thompson had a terrible senior season, but he had some moments as a sophomore and junior. When the DL played pretty well at the end of 2010, Thompson looked decent and he was coming off injuries. Unfortunately, he and Ta'Amu regressed in 2011. He also had some bad injuries. He's played in a few NFL camps and was on the Cardinals roster for a bit.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Huh? Thompson was a fucking scrub. He was on the same level as Crichton. He was a three year starter who would go weeks upon weeks without ever hearing his name called. Please don't mention Everette Thompson as someone who was good ever again.RoadDawg55 said:Here's something else for those who think Potoa'e was fucked by Sark. Ta'Amu, Everette Thompson, Shelton, and Kikaha all didn't redshirt. All of them are/were way better than Potoa'e. Potoa'e was as fucked by not redshirting as Talia Crichton.
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Didn't Thompson tear his achilles in spring ball or early fall ball at one point? He should've redshirted after that but the staff didn't have him do that and IMHO, that hurt his college performance at least for 1 season.
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Is he an OKG?
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Thompson sucks dude. He was fucking worthless. Don't even try and defend him.RoadDawg55 said:
I didn't say he was good. He was way better than Potao'e though. He's not on the same level as Crichton either. Thompson had a terrible senior season, but he had some moments as a sophomore and junior. When the DL played pretty well at the end of 2010, Thompson looked decent and he was coming off injuries. Unfortunately, he and Ta'Amu regressed in 2011. He also had some bad injuries. He's played in a few NFL camps and was on the Cardinals roster for a bit.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Huh? Thompson was a fucking scrub. He was on the same level as Crichton. He was a three year starter who would go weeks upon weeks without ever hearing his name called. Please don't mention Everette Thompson as someone who was good ever again.RoadDawg55 said:Here's something else for those who think Potoa'e was fucked by Sark. Ta'Amu, Everette Thompson, Shelton, and Kikaha all didn't redshirt. All of them are/were way better than Potoa'e. Potoa'e was as fucked by not redshirting as Talia Crichton.
Ta'amu also regressed as well and quite frankly wasn't even that good. He was just big and had a nice 4 game stretch in 2010 to end the year.
The facts are that coaching staff failed to develop DL in that era. Ta'amu either regressed or plateaued, Thompson and Potae always sucked ass along with Crichton. The only DL who did well with that coaching staff was DTN and he played 3 years with Ty so not really going to count him.
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If you can't see the difference from a contributor to Sione Potoa'e, I can't help you. Nobody said Thompson is good. You are dealing in extremes again. Once again, I'm not saying Everette Thompson was good. He was a below average DL. Potoa'e had 21 tackles, 2 tfl, and 1.5 sacks in his whole career. Thompson had 101 tackles, 14.5 for loss, and 6.5 sacks. He could also play (not always well) DT and DE. There's a pretty big gap to what they accomplished at UW, which in Potoa'e case is absolutely nothing. I also agree with you about Ta'Amu, and I noted his regression in an earlier post.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Thompson sucks dude. He was fucking worthless. Don't even try and defend him.RoadDawg55 said:
I didn't say he was good. He was way better than Potao'e though. He's not on the same level as Crichton either. Thompson had a terrible senior season, but he had some moments as a sophomore and junior. When the DL played pretty well at the end of 2010, Thompson looked decent and he was coming off injuries. Unfortunately, he and Ta'Amu regressed in 2011. He also had some bad injuries. He's played in a few NFL camps and was on the Cardinals roster for a bit.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Huh? Thompson was a fucking scrub. He was on the same level as Crichton. He was a three year starter who would go weeks upon weeks without ever hearing his name called. Please don't mention Everette Thompson as someone who was good ever again.RoadDawg55 said:Here's something else for those who think Potoa'e was fucked by Sark. Ta'Amu, Everette Thompson, Shelton, and Kikaha all didn't redshirt. All of them are/were way better than Potoa'e. Potoa'e was as fucked by not redshirting as Talia Crichton.
Ta'amu also regressed as well and quite frankly wasn't even that good. He was just big and had a nice 4 game stretch in 2010 to end the year.
The facts are that coaching staff failed to develop DL in that era. Ta'amu either regressed or plateaued, Thompson and Potae always sucked ass along with Crichton. The only DL who did well with that coaching staff was DTN and he played 3 years with Ty so not really going to count him.
Shelton has been good but that was a different defensive coaching staff than the ones we are bitching about.
I don't know how anyone can say Potoa'e was screwed by Sark. He didn't do shit for four years, with two different defensive coaching staffs. He was so bad, Andrew Hudson played DE in the 3-4 at 240 pounds. Andrew Hudson moves from TE to start next to Shelton after 2 days. Potoa'e didn't make a tackle his senior year. All a redshirt year would have done was keep him around for another year of doing nothing. He's a 270 pound DT who isn't even quick.
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I don't disagree with Tequilla about the depth issues but you build depth by redshirting guys. Sark wanted a quick fix. He didnt want to build, he wanted immediate gratification so he could jump to another payday. Thats why he didnt redshirt guys and tried to build the team through WRs and QBs.
I know its in hindsight but you could have had this year:
Sean Parker, Kevin Smith, Greg Ducre, Erik Kohler, Princeton Fuimaono, Taz Stevenson.
Granted overall depth is where it needs to be now (ex OL & DB) but having Parker & Ducre would take the pressure off guys like Budda, Beaver and Kelly. If Kohler is RS he probably develops into an all-conference lineman. He actually played best as a true freshman, then got worse after injuries.
This is another reason why I think Petersen really gets it going in 16 & 17. You'll have full classes in 15 and 16 and I bet he redshirts the majority of the guys. Depth will dip next year but should be quite strong after. -
So a coach can make a shitty football player an all american? Cockus, do you have one fucking idea about the sport of football? No dipstick, it doesn't involve a round ball that gets kicked around for 5 hours without any points.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Whose fault was it that he wasn't very good? It's the coaching staff! He was a highly rated recruit who once again Sark burned his RS even though he hardly played.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
BP is '15 for starters, and Sione "Patoa'e" did it to himself. He wasn't very good u ignant pucker fuckerCokeGreaterThanPepsi said:Just heard this gem from Benning Potoae (2016 DE, Lakes HS)
When asked about Washington and his brother playing there with Sark and staff, and if those coaches being gone effected his view of Washington at all:
Loose quotes....
"The new coaches being there made me want to go to UW more, and with Sark leaving and him offering it didn't really effect me because it didn't really attract me. But with Coach Petersen getting to know him creating a relationship with him it has an effect on me with how I feel about UW"
What those coaches did to Sione was criminal, imo.
Fuck.
Now perhaps he was soft but was so was ASJ. I put this on the coaching staff for not developing him.
They failed to develop the interior players on both sides of the ball which was why UW was never going to win with Sark.
It's obvious you weren't watching what was going on on the field when your dad took you to "every game in the 80's". You and jsmdog from dawgman ought to become butt-buddies. You just don't belong... Ignant son of a cunt! -
Pretty strong assumption there. Just because he got worse due to injuries doesn't mean he was destined to improve into an all-conference player.HeretoBeatmyChest said:I don't disagree with Tequilla about the depth issues but you build depth by redshirting guys. Sark wanted a quick fix. He didnt want to build, he wanted immediate gratification so he could jump to another payday. Thats why he didnt redshirt guys and tried to build the team through WRs and QBs.
I know its in hindsight but you could have had this year:
Sean Parker, Kevin Smith, Greg Ducre, Erik Kohler, Princeton Fuimaono, Taz Stevenson.
Granted overall depth is where it needs to be now (ex OL & DB) but having Parker & Ducre would take the pressure off guys like Budda, Beaver and Kelly. If Kohler is RS he probably develops into an all-conference lineman. He actually played best as a true freshman, then got worse after injuries.
This is another reason why I think Petersen really gets it going in 16 & 17. You'll have full classes in 15 and 16 and I bet he redshirts the majority of the guys. Depth will dip next year but should be quite strong after.
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