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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    you are saying it isn't even close which is balogna.
    Spoelstra has won with great talent
    Doc has won with great talent
    I'm not sure I see the big difference here.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,216
    I get what you're saying ... I'm just giving a little more credit to Doc for pulling off the run that he did with the roster that he had, and in particular considering the age. We can agree to disagree on that.

    I agree that Spoelstra makes a lot of changes. I guess what I'm getting at is that part of his changes is often giving the ball to the best player in the world right now and asking him to do a little more. It's far from a FS strategy, but it is what it is.

    I guess one of my problems with Spoelstra is that I feel like he has a big 3 and then everybody else is just completely interchangeable. It works for him and his team ... but I prefer to have a team that is more aware of what their roles are and what they are asked to contribute.

    If he's able to win a title this year, I'll give him significant credit. There's a good chance that this Miami team wouldn't win 2 rounds in the West.
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    The only coach who has won an NBA title in the last 25 years without great talent was Larry Brown with the 2004 Pistons. Even that team had 4 NBA all-stars.

    I remember when guys like Tequilla would discredit Phil Jackson because he hasn't won a title without great talent.

    My point then and just like now is in the NBA you don't win titles without great talent.

    That is why Scott Brooks and Mike Brown are in a class of their own for shit coaches.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,216
    One thing I didn't put in the above is that one of the strengths I see in Doc as a coach is that he's really good at defining roles for his team and creating a system that everybody buys into. He always seems to be in tune with his club and rarely makes a mistake when it comes to pushing too hard or allowing them to slip too far.
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    Tequilla said:

    I get what you're saying ... I'm just giving a little more credit to Doc for pulling off the run that he did with the roster that he had, and in particular considering the age. We can agree to disagree on that.

    I agree that Spoelstra makes a lot of changes. I guess what I'm getting at is that part of his changes is often giving the ball to the best player in the world right now and asking him to do a little more. It's far from a FS strategy, but it is what it is.

    I guess one of my problems with Spoelstra is that I feel like he has a big 3 and then everybody else is just completely interchangeable. It works for him and his team ... but I prefer to have a team that is more aware of what their roles are and what they are asked to contribute.

    If he's able to win a title this year, I'll give him significant credit. There's a good chance that this Miami team wouldn't win 2 rounds in the West.

    So they are so talented that anyone can win a title but not so talented where they can't win 2 rounds in the West?

    Jesus Christ man just stop now.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,216
    Phil's greatest strength as a coach was getting everybody on the same page, defining roles, and providing the proper grounding and motivation. He was far more of a manager of a team than he was a coach. His record speaks for itself, he's won everywhere he's been, and is on the very short list of best coaches ever.

    Spoelstra's got 2 NBA titles. The first was by beating Scott Brooks FS and the second was helped by a mental brain fart by Popovich combined with Ray Allen hitting one of the most incredible shots in the history of the game.

    He's absolutely a better coach than most ... and particularly so compared to guys like Mike Brown and Scott Brooks. Of all the coaches left in the East playoffs, he's by far the best.

    It'd be hard to expect them not to come out of the East this year in large part because of Indiana falling apart under Frank Vogel (who is starting to earn himself a spot in the Mike Brown and Scott Brooks club).

    One thing interesting to watch will be if Golden State does fire Mark Jackson. I would think that Larry Bird might be interested in what is going on there.
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    Tequilla said:

    One thing I didn't put in the above is that one of the strengths I see in Doc as a coach is that he's really good at defining roles for his team and creating a system that everybody buys into. He always seems to be in tune with his club and rarely makes a mistake when it comes to pushing too hard or allowing them to slip too far.

    Nobody is dismissing Doc so no need to say why he's a good coach. We are saying your argument against Spoelstra is FS.

    He's gone to three straight NBA finals and won back to back titles. Phil Jackson btw is the only coach in the last 20 years to coach in three straight NBA Finals.

    Hell Greg Popovich has never even coached in two straight NBA Finals to illustrate how tough that is.

    If they make the finals this year Spoelstra would be one of only four NBA coaches ever to coach in four straight finals.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,216
    What I'm saying is the East right now is a dreckfest. I don't think Miami would get to the Conference Finals in the West this year as they are a team that is getting quite old quite fast.

    I do think that Spoelstra's record is helped by the fact that he's been in the East.

    I don't think he'd be looking at 4 straight trips to the Finals if the competition in the East was anywhere close to what it was in the West the last few years.

    That's my opinion ... you are free to disagree with that.
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  • dhdawg
    dhdawg Member Posts: 13,326
    maybe this is unfair to include because spoelstra has never had to coach a bad team. But Rivers was pretty awful in Orlando before going to boston
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 11,453
    dhdawg said:

    maybe this is unfair to include because spoelstra has never had to coach a bad team. But Rivers was pretty awful in Orlando before going to boston

    I think he did though. Check those 2009 and 2010 Heat teams. He doesn't get enough credit for taking those teams to 5 seeds as those teams were pure garbage. Won 15 games the year before he took over. Then their team chose Beasley over Westbrook and Kevin Love.
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