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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    MikeDamone said:

    AZDuck said:

    Article 5 of the NATO treaty:

    Article 5 of the Washington Treaty:
    The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

    Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

    And what is the remedy if we decide it's not in our best interest to do that..... Oh, yeah, nothing.
    Yeah, what a great idea that is Damone. Forfeit our status as world superpower and let Russia rape Europe, great fucking idea man.

    Run for office.

    If that were the real threat, then it would be in our economic and national interest to do something, right? Can you fucking read? Russia taking Latvia will result in a very stern talking to.
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  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,889
    MikeDamone said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    MikeDamone said:

    AZDuck said:

    Article 5 of the NATO treaty:

    Article 5 of the Washington Treaty:
    The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

    Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

    And what is the remedy if we decide it's not in our best interest to do that..... Oh, yeah, nothing.
    Yeah, what a great idea that is Damone. Forfeit our status as world superpower and let Russia rape Europe, great fucking idea man.

    Run for office.
    If that were the real threat, then it would be in our economic and national interest to do something, right? Can you fucking read? Russia taking Latvia will result in a very stern talking to.

    Disagree. The US knew what it was getting into by admitting Latvia in. They need allies surrounding Russia....you think the US worked so hard to gain influence in Eastern Europe only to see Russia grab it back with some tanks like its 1939?

    Think again.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    This sums it up nicely.

    economist.com/news/united-states/21601538-america-no-longer-alarming-its-foes-or-reassuring-its-friends-decline
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  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,889
    MikeDamone said:

    This sums it up nicely.

    economist.com/news/united-states/21601538-america-no-longer-alarming-its-foes-or-reassuring-its-friends-decline

    That article basically said America is no longer being as aggressive as it has been in the past with rhetoric, but is still stationing up troops in the Middle East and Asia to deter Iran and China.

    Meanwhile, other countries are investing in military at a slightly higher rate than the US currently is, but the US still has an enormous lead...


    Nothing revolutionary there....
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  • AZDuck
    AZDuck Member Posts: 15,468
    Mike- we will defend NATO members.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    AZDuck said:

    Mike- we will defend NATO members.

    The article brings our resolve into question. That's my point. It's not a lock, by any stretch.
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  • Jesus_H_Christ
    Jesus_H_Christ Member Posts: 94
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  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,778
    Did we draw a line in the sand?
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    PurpleJ said:

    Did we draw a line in the sand?

    Not yet. We need to put Putin on double secret probation first. Due process.
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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919
    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    The US is full of native Poles and Europeans, not native Iraqis and Afganis.

    If Europe is going to get invaded by Russia, they US populace will recognize the need to defend it you fucking dumbass



    Yes. Because there are hundred of thousands if not millions of immigrants and 1st generation Polish americans with strong ties to the old country.

    Or maybe not. You're reaching harder and farther than Jane Fonda in the 80's in this thread.
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