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MikeDamone
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A strongly worded rebuke:
"If Russia continues on its current course, we have a range of tools at our disposal, including sanctions that would target certain sectors of the Russian economy, and we have been consulting closely with our European and G7 partners"
But then not so much:
But, noting that energy resources flowed from Russia to the continent even throughout the Cold War, he said that the notion of "turning off the tap" of natural gas and oil would be "unrealistic."
I bet Putin is worried as hell now.
"If Russia continues on its current course, we have a range of tools at our disposal, including sanctions that would target certain sectors of the Russian economy, and we have been consulting closely with our European and G7 partners"
But then not so much:
But, noting that energy resources flowed from Russia to the continent even throughout the Cold War, he said that the notion of "turning off the tap" of natural gas and oil would be "unrealistic."
I bet Putin is worried as hell now.
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So if the tap was shut off, do you have a tap in mind to replace it? Didn't think so.MikeDamone said:A strongly worded rebuke:
"If Russia continues on its current course, we have a range of tools at our disposal, including sanctions that would target certain sectors of the Russian economy, and we have been consulting closely with our European and G7 partners"
But then not so much:
But, noting that energy resources flowed from Russia to the continent even throughout the Cold War, he said that the notion of "turning off the tap" of natural gas and oil would be "unrealistic."
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What should he have said, fag? We're going to nuke Moscow?
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Well, if what you say is a option he should have said stop your shit or NATO is going to get medieval on your ass. But that's not going to happen. So he will continue with strong rebukes and not doing anything meaningful economically...such as turning off the gas as you suggested was an option...now, not so much.PostGameOrangeSlices said:What should he have said, fag? We're going to nuke Moscow?
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Voted down for missing $75k finePostGameOrangeSlices said:What should he have said, fag? We're going to nuke Moscow?
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You're right Einstein, know why?MikeDamone said:
Well, if what you say is a option he should have said stop your shit or NATO is going to get medieval on your ass. But that's not going to happen.PostGameOrangeSlices said:What should he have said, fag? We're going to nuke Moscow?
Because Ukraine fucked themselves and didn't join NATO. They had a chance to, and decided to make closer ties to Russia.
Lot of good that did them.
Like I said, no one gives a fuck about Ukraine. That country was dumb enough to not join NATO and hand over their nukes. They're reaping what they have sown. -
I'm hoping that there is a lot of behind the scenes talking and action being taken. It isn't surprising that the President isn't talking tough given that Ukraine is not under the NATO Article 5 umbrella.
Ideally we should be working on basing arrangements for a substantial troop presence in Poland, Romania and the Baltics, initiating talks to bring Sweden and Finland formally into NATO, and a contingency plan to help the Euros wean themselves off Russian gas+oil, starting this winter.
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Putin can roll into Poland and we will tell him to LEAVE in no uncertain terms. That's allPostGameOrangeSlices said:
You're right Einstein, know why?MikeDamone said:
Well, if what you say is a option he should have said stop your shit or NATO is going to get medieval on your ass. But that's not going to happen.PostGameOrangeSlices said:What should he have said, fag? We're going to nuke Moscow?
Because Ukraine fucked themselves and didn't join NATO. They had a chance to, and decided to make closer ties to Russia.
Lot of good that did them.
Like I said, no one gives a fuck about Ukraine. That country was dumb enough to not join NATO and hand over their nukes. They're reaping what they have sown. -
No.MikeDamone said:
Putin can roll into Poland and we will tell him to LEAVE in no uncertain terms. That's allPostGameOrangeSlices said:
You're right Einstein, know why?MikeDamone said:
Well, if what you say is a option he should have said stop your shit or NATO is going to get medieval on your ass. But that's not going to happen.PostGameOrangeSlices said:What should he have said, fag? We're going to nuke Moscow?
Because Ukraine fucked themselves and didn't join NATO. They had a chance to, and decided to make closer ties to Russia.
Lot of good that did them.
Like I said, no one gives a fuck about Ukraine. That country was dumb enough to not join NATO and hand over their nukes. They're reaping what they have sown.
This isn't ww2, with polish cavalry getting mowed down by german panzers. Poland is getting pretty serious about their military, now that they are in NATO and doing good economically.
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/2ae1e101196d
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Yeah, but none of that will happen.AZDuck said:I'm hoping that there is a lot of behind the scenes talking and action being taken. It isn't surprising that the President isn't talking tough given that Ukraine is not under the NATO Article 5 umbrella.
Ideally we should be working on basing arrangements for a substantial troop presence in Poland, Romania and the Baltics, initiating talks to bring Sweden and Finland formally into NATO, and a contingency plan to help the Euros wean themselves off Russian gas+oil, starting this winter.
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Poland is a NATO member in good standing. Putin rolling into Poland would be the same as Putin rolling into London, Berlin, Paris, or Yelm. -
No, it wouldn't. We won't do shit. We might send over Biden to achieve peace in our time. No fucking way does the US invest lives and trillions into that. No fucking way. We won't even do anything meaningful economically. It would need to come down to the US being attacked. Simple fact.AZDuck said:Mike-
Poland is a NATO member in good standing. Putin rolling into Poland would be the same as Putin rolling into London, Berlin, Paris, or Yelm. -
You are fundamentally wrong on this one. It's like arguing with a brick wall, or D2D.MikeDamone said:
No, it wouldn't. We won't do shit. We might send over Biden to achieve peace in our time. No fucking way does the US invest lives and trillions into that. No fucking way. We won't even do anything meaningful economically. It would need to come down to the US being attacked. Simple fact.AZDuck said:Mike-
Poland is a NATO member in good standing. Putin rolling into Poland would be the same as Putin rolling into London, Berlin, Paris, or Yelm.
Just because the US won't instill a draft and send in tons of foot soldiers, doesn't mean we won't send our AF and Navy to assist Europe and throw back Russia. The marines and special forces will get deployed as well.
The citizens opinions don't fucking matter on this issue Damone. HTH
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The US is full of native Poles and Europeans, not native Iraqis and Afganis.
If Europe is going to get invaded by Russia, they US populace will recognize the need to defend it you fucking dumbass -
We aren't going to do shit to help ween Europe off Russian oil/gas. Look at the fucking Keystone pipeline.
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Let the EU solve some of their own fucking problems for once, the US can't protect them and build natural gas infrastructure for them at the same fucking timeSwaye said:We aren't going to do shit to help ween Europe off Russian oil/gas. Look at the fucking Keystone pipeline.
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You're backing off quite a bit. You went from we would go to war and invade to now "assist".PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You are fundamentally wrong on this one. It's like arguing with a brick wall, or D2D.MikeDamone said:
No, it wouldn't. We won't do shit. We might send over Biden to achieve peace in our time. No fucking way does the US invest lives and trillions into that. No fucking way. We won't even do anything meaningful economically. It would need to come down to the US being attacked. Simple fact.AZDuck said:Mike-
Poland is a NATO member in good standing. Putin rolling into Poland would be the same as Putin rolling into London, Berlin, Paris, or Yelm.
Just because the US won't instill a draft and send in tons of foot soldiers, doesn't mean we won't send our AF and Navy to assist Europe and throw back Russia. The marines and special forces will get deployed as well.
The citizens opinions don't fucking matter on this issue Damone. HTH
The citizens don't matter? The war we are in and the fact Obama is the President suggests otherwise. If we went to war over this, it's political suicide for who ever is in charge. Simple fact. -
That was in response to a post dealing with the potential scenario of Russia nuking Europe.MikeDamone said:
You're backing off quite a bit. You went from we would go to war and invade to now "assist".PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You are fundamentally wrong on this one. It's like arguing with a brick wall, or D2D.MikeDamone said:
No, it wouldn't. We won't do shit. We might send over Biden to achieve peace in our time. No fucking way does the US invest lives and trillions into that. No fucking way. We won't even do anything meaningful economically. It would need to come down to the US being attacked. Simple fact.AZDuck said:Mike-
Poland is a NATO member in good standing. Putin rolling into Poland would be the same as Putin rolling into London, Berlin, Paris, or Yelm.
Just because the US won't instill a draft and send in tons of foot soldiers, doesn't mean we won't send our AF and Navy to assist Europe and throw back Russia. The marines and special forces will get deployed as well.
The citizens opinions don't fucking matter on this issue Damone. HTH
Context, toilet man, context. -
Back pedal much?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Let the EU solve some of their own fucking problems for once, the US can't protect them and build natural gas infrastructure for them at the same fucking timeSwaye said:We aren't going to do shit to help ween Europe off Russian oil/gas. Look at the fucking Keystone pipeline.
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Learn how to read.MikeDamone said:
Back pedal much?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Let the EU solve some of their own fucking problems for once, the US can't protect them and build natural gas infrastructure for them at the same fucking timeSwaye said:We aren't going to do shit to help ween Europe off Russian oil/gas. Look at the fucking Keystone pipeline.
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Pressing.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
That was in response to a post dealing with the potential scenario of Russia nuking Europe.MikeDamone said:
You're backing off quite a bit. You went from we would go to war and invade to now "assist".PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You are fundamentally wrong on this one. It's like arguing with a brick wall, or D2D.MikeDamone said:
No, it wouldn't. We won't do shit. We might send over Biden to achieve peace in our time. No fucking way does the US invest lives and trillions into that. No fucking way. We won't even do anything meaningful economically. It would need to come down to the US being attacked. Simple fact.AZDuck said:Mike-
Poland is a NATO member in good standing. Putin rolling into Poland would be the same as Putin rolling into London, Berlin, Paris, or Yelm.
Just because the US won't instill a draft and send in tons of foot soldiers, doesn't mean we won't send our AF and Navy to assist Europe and throw back Russia. The marines and special forces will get deployed as well.
The citizens opinions don't fucking matter on this issue Damone. HTH
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Article 5 of the NATO treaty:
Article 5 of the Washington Treaty:
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security. -
Your dumbest post yet, cunt drip.PostGameOrangeSlices said:The US is full of native Poles and Europeans, not native Iraqis and Afganis.
If Europe is going to get invaded by Russia, they US populace will recognize the need to defend it you fucking dumbass -
If Russia invaded Europe, and we went to war based off a treaty we are bound to obligate, it is political suicide?MikeDamone said:
The citizens don't matter? The war we are in and the fact Obama is the President suggests otherwise. If we went to war over this, it's political suicide for who ever is in charge. Simple fact.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You are fundamentally wrong on this one. It's like arguing with a brick wall, or D2D.MikeDamone said:
No, it wouldn't. We won't do shit. We might send over Biden to achieve peace in our time. No fucking way does the US invest lives and trillions into that. No fucking way. We won't even do anything meaningful economically. It would need to come down to the US being attacked. Simple fact.AZDuck said:Mike-
Poland is a NATO member in good standing. Putin rolling into Poland would be the same as Putin rolling into London, Berlin, Paris, or Yelm.
Just because the US won't instill a draft and send in tons of foot soldiers, doesn't mean we won't send our AF and Navy to assist Europe and throw back Russia. The marines and special forces will get deployed as well.
The citizens opinions don't fucking matter on this issue Damone. HTH
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And what is the remedy if we decide it's not in our best interest to do that..... Oh, yeah, nothing.AZDuck said:Article 5 of the NATO treaty:
Article 5 of the Washington Treaty:
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.
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Great refute to my point as always, dumb fuckMikeDamone said:
Your dumbest post yet, cunt drip.PostGameOrangeSlices said:The US is full of native Poles and Europeans, not native Iraqis and Afganis.
If Europe is going to get invaded by Russia, they US populace will recognize the need to defend it you fucking dumbass
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And what is the remedy if we decide it's not in our best interest to do that..... Oh, yeah, nothing.MikeDamone said:AZDuck said:Article 5 of the NATO treaty:
Article 5 of the Washington Treaty:
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.
Yeah, what a great idea that is Damone. Forfeit our status as world superpower and let Russia rape Europe, great fucking idea man.
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It all comes back to the fucking CONTARCT?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
If Russia invaded Europe, and we went to war based off a treaty we are bound to obligate, it is political suicide?MikeDamone said:
The citizens don't matter? The war we are in and the fact Obama is the President suggests otherwise. If we went to war over this, it's political suicide for who ever is in charge. Simple fact.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You are fundamentally wrong on this one. It's like arguing with a brick wall, or D2D.MikeDamone said:
No, it wouldn't. We won't do shit. We might send over Biden to achieve peace in our time. No fucking way does the US invest lives and trillions into that. No fucking way. We won't even do anything meaningful economically. It would need to come down to the US being attacked. Simple fact.AZDuck said:Mike-
Poland is a NATO member in good standing. Putin rolling into Poland would be the same as Putin rolling into London, Berlin, Paris, or Yelm.
Just because the US won't instill a draft and send in tons of foot soldiers, doesn't mean we won't send our AF and Navy to assist Europe and throw back Russia. The marines and special forces will get deployed as well.
The citizens opinions don't fucking matter on this issue Damone. HTH
I used to think you were somewhat intelligent. Now, not so much
Bottom line is it will be a political and economic decision to either take action or not. If it is not in our national interest to invade, we will not invade. We will not commit lives and money because of a decades old agreement that can't be enforced. We are war weary and won't be invading anyone anytime soon -
no fucking shit. we will however prevent an invasion of our allies, and invade russia if they use nukes.MikeDamone said:
It all comes back to the fucking CONTARCT?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
If Russia invaded Europe, and we went to war based off a treaty we are bound to obligate, it is political suicide?MikeDamone said:
The citizens don't matter? The war we are in and the fact Obama is the President suggests otherwise. If we went to war over this, it's political suicide for who ever is in charge. Simple fact.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
You are fundamentally wrong on this one. It's like arguing with a brick wall, or D2D.MikeDamone said:
No, it wouldn't. We won't do shit. We might send over Biden to achieve peace in our time. No fucking way does the US invest lives and trillions into that. No fucking way. We won't even do anything meaningful economically. It would need to come down to the US being attacked. Simple fact.AZDuck said:Mike-
Poland is a NATO member in good standing. Putin rolling into Poland would be the same as Putin rolling into London, Berlin, Paris, or Yelm.
Just because the US won't instill a draft and send in tons of foot soldiers, doesn't mean we won't send our AF and Navy to assist Europe and throw back Russia. The marines and special forces will get deployed as well.
The citizens opinions don't fucking matter on this issue Damone. HTH
I used to think you were somewhat intelligent. Now, not so much
Bottom line is it will be a political and economic decision to either take action or not. If it is not in our national interest to invade, we will not invade. We will not commit lives and money because of a decades old agreement that can't be enforced. We are war weary and won't be invading anyone anytime soon
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It's on par with your dumb fucking comments.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Great refute to my point as always, dumb fuckMikeDamone said:
Your dumbest post yet, cunt drip.PostGameOrangeSlices said:The US is full of native Poles and Europeans, not native Iraqis and Afganis.
If Europe is going to get invaded by Russia, they US populace will recognize the need to defend it you fucking dumbass -
Wrong, you're just not very good at this.MikeDamone said:
It's on par with your dumb fucking comments.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Great refute to my point as always, dumb fuckMikeDamone said:
Your dumbest post yet, cunt drip.PostGameOrangeSlices said:The US is full of native Poles and Europeans, not native Iraqis and Afganis.
If Europe is going to get invaded by Russia, they US populace will recognize the need to defend it you fucking dumbass
It's okay. Keep pressing.
