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topdawgnc
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Let me get this straight:
You can choke a coach
You can rape your nanny, assault a girl, and beat your wife
You can punch fans in the audience (the fans get banned for life from attending games in their home town)
And you can still play.
But ...
You exercise your freedom of speech in your own home, get recorded illegally ...
And you get banned for life ... as an owner ...
Only in America!
You can choke a coach
You can rape your nanny, assault a girl, and beat your wife
You can punch fans in the audience (the fans get banned for life from attending games in their home town)
And you can still play.
But ...
You exercise your freedom of speech in your own home, get recorded illegally ...
And you get banned for life ... as an owner ...
Only in America!
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Players have a union. That's why they can still play. That, IIRC, was the reason the coach choker was allowed to play (or have his suspension greatly reduced).
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So unions trump the Constitution, just as military brass trumps the President.monroecougdad said:Players have a union. That's why they can still play. That, IIRC, was the reason the coach choker was allowed to play (or have his suspension greatly reduced).
got it.
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This is almost as gross as when Damone referred to torture as "interrogation". That's all he did? Exercised his freedom of speech. That's it. You don't even understand freedom of speech you fucking idiot.topdawgnc said:Let me get this straight:
You can choke a coach
You can rape your nanny, assault a girl, and beat your wife
You can punch fans in the audience (the fans get banned for life from attending games in their home town)
And you can still play.
But ...
You exercise your freedom of speech in your own home, get recorded illegally ...
And you get banned for life ... as an owner ...
Only in America!
Is the NBA the police? Can they only consider things that were obtained legally? Are you that fucking stupid? -
Really, you are going to argue this?allpurpleallgold said:
This is almost as gross as when Damone referred to torture as "interrogation". That's all he did? Exercised his freedom of speech. That's it. You don't even understand freedom of speech you fucking idiot.topdawgnc said:Let me get this straight:
You can choke a coach
You can rape your nanny, assault a girl, and beat your wife
You can punch fans in the audience (the fans get banned for life from attending games in their home town)
And you can still play.
But ...
You exercise your freedom of speech in your own home, get recorded illegally ...
And you get banned for life ... as an owner ...
Only in America!
Is the NBA the police? Can they only consider things that were obtained legally? Are you that fucking stupid?
Since when did it become illegal and punishable when exercising freedom of speech in your own home?
This mother fucker has owned the team since 1981 ... 1981.
Where was the NBA when he was being sued for being a racist?
And yes... it was an illegal taping. It would not hold in a court of law. But apparently it is ok in the court of public opinion, unless it is obtained from the NSA.
Nice to know being an asshole in America is now frowned upon ...
Again ... choke, rape, beat, drug use ... all is fair game.
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I don't disagree. Just pointing out the reality of why those players to referenced were allowed to continue playing. NBAPA much stronger than NFLPA.topdawgnc said:
So unions trump the Constitution, just as military brass trumps the President.monroecougdad said:Players have a union. That's why they can still play. That, IIRC, was the reason the coach choker was allowed to play (or have his suspension greatly reduced).
got it. -
The nation is outraged! This has legs!
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crab legs? #hijameisMikeDamone said:The nation is outraged! This has legs!
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You missed my point and got vaggy about it. The point is we can't water board terrorist without people flipping out...no fucking way are we putting soldiers on the ground in a real war vs Russia.allpurpleallgold said:
This is almost as gross as when Damone referred to torture as "interrogation". That's all he did? Exercised his freedom of speech. That's it. You don't even understand freedom of speech you fucking idiot.topdawgnc said:Let me get this straight:
You can choke a coach
You can rape your nanny, assault a girl, and beat your wife
You can punch fans in the audience (the fans get banned for life from attending games in their home town)
And you can still play.
But ...
You exercise your freedom of speech in your own home, get recorded illegally ...
And you get banned for life ... as an owner ...
Only in America!
Is the NBA the police? Can they only consider things that were obtained legally? Are you that fucking stupid?
By me making that point, you make assumptions (likely incorrect ones) on my position in water boarding, war, etc. because you see everything through a prism of absolutes and political dogma. -
If you think this is a First Amendment issue, you're dumber than the dumbest of the Doogs.
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Now is the time to ban all the others who have said or done something Racist.....
Carmelo Anthony and Jay Z - Wear the 5%er medallion
Larry Johnson - Said they need an all black league.
Spike Lee - Thinks that whites shouldn't live in Black Neighborhoods
Isiah Thomas - Said Larry would be avg if he was black
ban them as well -
This is not a first amendment issue, it is a freedom of speech issue.TierbsHsotBoobs said:If you think this is a First Amendment issue, you're dumber than the dumbest of the Doogs.
Last I checked this is America, and American's have the God given right to be as doog fucking stupid with our comments as we so choose.
He broke no laws. He pays his black coach 7 million a year, and employs a lot of black men.
Where was the outrage when this slum lord was in trouble for real acts of racism.
It is a sad day in America when a man can't be stupid.
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He can be stupid all he wants. He just can't be in the club of NBA team owners anymore.
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Your first sentence was beyond moronic, but you make a great point about the lack of outrage over his REAL racism a long time ago. He should have been asked to LEAVE! the NBA then, but David Stern is a piece of shit.topdawgnc said:
This is not a first amendment issue, it is a freedom of speech issue.TierbsHsotBoobs said:If you think this is a First Amendment issue, you're dumber than the dumbest of the Doogs.
Last I checked this is America, and American's have the God given right to be as doog fucking stupid with our comments as we so choose.
He broke no laws. He pays his black coach 7 million a year, and employs a lot of black men.
Where was the outrage when this slum lord was in trouble for real acts of racism.
It is a sad day in America when a man can't be stupid. -
who is Donald Sterling... does he poast here?
srsly though, I had no idea who this guy is/was and its the fucking Clippers for chrissakes. Should be on the Kobestopper bored. -
It is your right to be stupid. It is not your right to own a franchise that is part of an association.topdawgnc said:
This is not a first amendment issue, it is a freedom of speech issue.TierbsHsotBoobs said:If you think this is a First Amendment issue, you're dumber than the dumbest of the Doogs.
Last I checked this is America, and American's have the God given right to be as doog fucking stupid with our comments as we so choose.
He broke no laws. He pays his black coach 7 million a year, and employs a lot of black men.
Where was the outrage when this slum lord was in trouble for real acts of racism.
It is a sad day in America when a man can't be stupid.
You believing in god actually explains a lot. -
I wish you could see how big of a douche you've turned into.MikeDamone said:
You missed my point and got vaggy about it. The point is we can't water board terrorist without people flipping out...no fucking way are we putting soldiers on the ground in a real war vs Russia.allpurpleallgold said:
This is almost as gross as when Damone referred to torture as "interrogation". That's all he did? Exercised his freedom of speech. That's it. You don't even understand freedom of speech you fucking idiot.topdawgnc said:Let me get this straight:
You can choke a coach
You can rape your nanny, assault a girl, and beat your wife
You can punch fans in the audience (the fans get banned for life from attending games in their home town)
And you can still play.
But ...
You exercise your freedom of speech in your own home, get recorded illegally ...
And you get banned for life ... as an owner ...
Only in America!
Is the NBA the police? Can they only consider things that were obtained legally? Are you that fucking stupid?
By me making that point, you make assumptions (likely incorrect ones) on my position in water boarding, war, etc. because you see everything through a prism of absolutes and political dogma. -
Good thing this case will never be in a court of law.topdawgnc said:
Really, you are going to argue this?allpurpleallgold said:
This is almost as gross as when Damone referred to torture as "interrogation". That's all he did? Exercised his freedom of speech. That's it. You don't even understand freedom of speech you fucking idiot.topdawgnc said:Let me get this straight:
You can choke a coach
You can rape your nanny, assault a girl, and beat your wife
You can punch fans in the audience (the fans get banned for life from attending games in their home town)
And you can still play.
But ...
You exercise your freedom of speech in your own home, get recorded illegally ...
And you get banned for life ... as an owner ...
Only in America!
Is the NBA the police? Can they only consider things that were obtained legally? Are you that fucking stupid?
Since when did it become illegal and punishable when exercising freedom of speech in your own home?
This mother fucker has owned the team since 1981 ... 1981.
Where was the NBA when he was being sued for being a racist?
And yes... it was an illegal taping. It would not hold in a court of law. But apparently it is ok in the court of public opinion, unless it is obtained from the NSA.
Nice to know being an asshole in America is now frowned upon ...
Again ... choke, rape, beat, drug use ... all is fair game. -
If he's not getting arrested this has shit to do with the Constitution. The NBA can do this based on it's bylaws or it can't based on it's bylaws . A court will ultimately decide, but it won't be a question of the Constitution.
Either way it will be interesting.
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Hey man I believe in God and understand this isn't a freedom of speech issue. If anything constitutional it's a right to privacy issue, but I don't know how there could be any reasonable expectation that a private institution would not use private information that was shared publicly, even if that information was illegally obtained. Sterling may be able to sue Ms. V over the privacy infringement, but there's no way the NBA is going to be liable for that.allpurpleallgold said:
It is your right to be stupid. It is not your right to own a franchise that is part of an association.topdawgnc said:
This is not a first amendment issue, it is a freedom of speech issue.TierbsHsotBoobs said:If you think this is a First Amendment issue, you're dumber than the dumbest of the Doogs.
Last I checked this is America, and American's have the God given right to be as doog fucking stupid with our comments as we so choose.
He broke no laws. He pays his black coach 7 million a year, and employs a lot of black men.
Where was the outrage when this slum lord was in trouble for real acts of racism.
It is a sad day in America when a man can't be stupid.
You believing in god actually explains a lot. -
The nuance is lost on you. Not surprising you're having trouble with some basic concepts here.allpurpleallgold said:
I wish you could see how big of a douche you've turned into.MikeDamone said:
You missed my point and got vaggy about it. The point is we can't water board terrorist without people flipping out...no fucking way are we putting soldiers on the ground in a real war vs Russia.allpurpleallgold said:
This is almost as gross as when Damone referred to torture as "interrogation". That's all he did? Exercised his freedom of speech. That's it. You don't even understand freedom of speech you fucking idiot.topdawgnc said:Let me get this straight:
You can choke a coach
You can rape your nanny, assault a girl, and beat your wife
You can punch fans in the audience (the fans get banned for life from attending games in their home town)
And you can still play.
But ...
You exercise your freedom of speech in your own home, get recorded illegally ...
And you get banned for life ... as an owner ...
Only in America!
Is the NBA the police? Can they only consider things that were obtained legally? Are you that fucking stupid?
By me making that point, you make assumptions (likely incorrect ones) on my position in water boarding, war, etc. because you see everything through a prism of absolutes and political dogma.
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Any time I insult someone for believing in god just imagine there's a little disclaimer at the bottom that says. *does not apply to DNC, he is intelligent and sexy no matter what he believes*.dnc said:
Hey man I believe in God and understand this isn't a freedom of speech issue. If anything constitutional it's a right to privacy issue, but I don't know how there could be any reasonable expectation that a private institution would not use private information that was shared publicly, even if that information was illegally obtained. Sterling may be able to sue Ms. V over the privacy infringement, but there's no way the NBA is going to be liable for that.allpurpleallgold said:
It is your right to be stupid. It is not your right to own a franchise that is part of an association.topdawgnc said:
This is not a first amendment issue, it is a freedom of speech issue.TierbsHsotBoobs said:If you think this is a First Amendment issue, you're dumber than the dumbest of the Doogs.
Last I checked this is America, and American's have the God given right to be as doog fucking stupid with our comments as we so choose.
He broke no laws. He pays his black coach 7 million a year, and employs a lot of black men.
Where was the outrage when this slum lord was in trouble for real acts of racism.
It is a sad day in America when a man can't be stupid.
You believing in god actually explains a lot. -
Try and force him to sell his property for the way he believes ...allpurpleallgold said:
Good thing this case will never be in a court of law.topdawgnc said:
Really, you are going to argue this?allpurpleallgold said:
This is almost as gross as when Damone referred to torture as "interrogation". That's all he did? Exercised his freedom of speech. That's it. You don't even understand freedom of speech you fucking idiot.topdawgnc said:Let me get this straight:
You can choke a coach
You can rape your nanny, assault a girl, and beat your wife
You can punch fans in the audience (the fans get banned for life from attending games in their home town)
And you can still play.
But ...
You exercise your freedom of speech in your own home, get recorded illegally ...
And you get banned for life ... as an owner ...
Only in America!
Is the NBA the police? Can they only consider things that were obtained legally? Are you that fucking stupid?
Since when did it become illegal and punishable when exercising freedom of speech in your own home?
This mother fucker has owned the team since 1981 ... 1981.
Where was the NBA when he was being sued for being a racist?
And yes... it was an illegal taping. It would not hold in a court of law. But apparently it is ok in the court of public opinion, unless it is obtained from the NSA.
Nice to know being an asshole in America is now frowned upon ...
Again ... choke, rape, beat, drug use ... all is fair game.
It will then land in a court of law.
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Stop sucking dnc's dick.allpurpleallgold said:
Any time I insult someone for believing in god just imagine there's a little disclaimer at the bottom that says. *does not apply to DNC, he is intelligent and sexy no matter what he believes*.dnc said:
Hey man I believe in God and understand this isn't a freedom of speech issue. If anything constitutional it's a right to privacy issue, but I don't know how there could be any reasonable expectation that a private institution would not use private information that was shared publicly, even if that information was illegally obtained. Sterling may be able to sue Ms. V over the privacy infringement, but there's no way the NBA is going to be liable for that.allpurpleallgold said:
It is your right to be stupid. It is not your right to own a franchise that is part of an association.topdawgnc said:
This is not a first amendment issue, it is a freedom of speech issue.TierbsHsotBoobs said:If you think this is a First Amendment issue, you're dumber than the dumbest of the Doogs.
Last I checked this is America, and American's have the God given right to be as doog fucking stupid with our comments as we so choose.
He broke no laws. He pays his black coach 7 million a year, and employs a lot of black men.
Where was the outrage when this slum lord was in trouble for real acts of racism.
It is a sad day in America when a man can't be stupid.
You believing in god actually explains a lot. -
NBA franchises are not the property of individual owners to do whatever they choose to do with them. That's why the NBA has a Constitution and bylaws and shit.topdawgnc said:
Try and force him to sell his property for the way he believes ...allpurpleallgold said:
Good thing this case will never be in a court of law.topdawgnc said:
Really, you are going to argue this?allpurpleallgold said:
This is almost as gross as when Damone referred to torture as "interrogation". That's all he did? Exercised his freedom of speech. That's it. You don't even understand freedom of speech you fucking idiot.topdawgnc said:Let me get this straight:
You can choke a coach
You can rape your nanny, assault a girl, and beat your wife
You can punch fans in the audience (the fans get banned for life from attending games in their home town)
And you can still play.
But ...
You exercise your freedom of speech in your own home, get recorded illegally ...
And you get banned for life ... as an owner ...
Only in America!
Is the NBA the police? Can they only consider things that were obtained legally? Are you that fucking stupid?
Since when did it become illegal and punishable when exercising freedom of speech in your own home?
This mother fucker has owned the team since 1981 ... 1981.
Where was the NBA when he was being sued for being a racist?
And yes... it was an illegal taping. It would not hold in a court of law. But apparently it is ok in the court of public opinion, unless it is obtained from the NSA.
Nice to know being an asshole in America is now frowned upon ...
Again ... choke, rape, beat, drug use ... all is fair game.
It will then land in a court of law.
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He is not choosing to do anything with the franchise. He's potentially being forced to sell for comments made in private. Francisees are just as protected as franchisors.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
NBA franchises are not the property of individual owners to do whatever they choose to do with them. That's why the NBA has a Constitution and bylaws and shit.topdawgnc said:
Try and force him to sell his property for the way he believes ...allpurpleallgold said:
Good thing this case will never be in a court of law.topdawgnc said:
Really, you are going to argue this?allpurpleallgold said:
This is almost as gross as when Damone referred to torture as "interrogation". That's all he did? Exercised his freedom of speech. That's it. You don't even understand freedom of speech you fucking idiot.topdawgnc said:Let me get this straight:
You can choke a coach
You can rape your nanny, assault a girl, and beat your wife
You can punch fans in the audience (the fans get banned for life from attending games in their home town)
And you can still play.
But ...
You exercise your freedom of speech in your own home, get recorded illegally ...
And you get banned for life ... as an owner ...
Only in America!
Is the NBA the police? Can they only consider things that were obtained legally? Are you that fucking stupid?
Since when did it become illegal and punishable when exercising freedom of speech in your own home?
This mother fucker has owned the team since 1981 ... 1981.
Where was the NBA when he was being sued for being a racist?
And yes... it was an illegal taping. It would not hold in a court of law. But apparently it is ok in the court of public opinion, unless it is obtained from the NSA.
Nice to know being an asshole in America is now frowned upon ...
Again ... choke, rape, beat, drug use ... all is fair game.
It will then land in a court of law.
Again, it is no shock he is a racist. The NBA would have been better off to take action when the dude was being sued for discrimination ... twice.
The NBA is just like Tiger's wife ... they didn't care until the public found out. And now they are overreacting.
Mark Cuban, an NBA franchise owner, agrees with me:
"In no uncertain terms am I supporting what Donald Sterling said, or his position," Cuban said. "He's obviously racist, he's obviously bigoted. And in this day and age when you're in the public eye, you've got to be damn careful -- if that's your position, and that's unfortunately where you're at, you better be damn careful what you say, even in the privacy of your own home.
"But regardless of your background, regardless of the history they have, if we're taking something somebody said in their home and we're trying to turn it into something that leads to you being forced to divest property in any way, shape or form, that's not the United States of America. I don't want to be part of that." -
The NBA has a constitution. One that Sterling agreed to when he purchased the team. It states that the other owners can vote him out. He will get slaughtered if he fights this.topdawgnc said:
Try and force him to sell his property for the way he believes ...allpurpleallgold said:
Good thing this case will never be in a court of law.topdawgnc said:
Really, you are going to argue this?allpurpleallgold said:
This is almost as gross as when Damone referred to torture as "interrogation". That's all he did? Exercised his freedom of speech. That's it. You don't even understand freedom of speech you fucking idiot.topdawgnc said:Let me get this straight:
You can choke a coach
You can rape your nanny, assault a girl, and beat your wife
You can punch fans in the audience (the fans get banned for life from attending games in their home town)
And you can still play.
But ...
You exercise your freedom of speech in your own home, get recorded illegally ...
And you get banned for life ... as an owner ...
Only in America!
Is the NBA the police? Can they only consider things that were obtained legally? Are you that fucking stupid?
Since when did it become illegal and punishable when exercising freedom of speech in your own home?
This mother fucker has owned the team since 1981 ... 1981.
Where was the NBA when he was being sued for being a racist?
And yes... it was an illegal taping. It would not hold in a court of law. But apparently it is ok in the court of public opinion, unless it is obtained from the NSA.
Nice to know being an asshole in America is now frowned upon ...
Again ... choke, rape, beat, drug use ... all is fair game.
It will then land in a court of law.
And holy shit are you stupid. It's not about what he believes. He's believed this racist shit his whole life, everyone knew it and the NBA did nothing. Think. -
I can't think of anything more American than a bunch of rich guys telling someone they can't be a part of their club anymore.topdawgnc said:
He is not choosing to do anything with the franchise. He's potentially being forced to sell for comments made in private. Francisees are just as protected as franchisors.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
NBA franchises are not the property of individual owners to do whatever they choose to do with them. That's why the NBA has a Constitution and bylaws and shit.topdawgnc said:
Try and force him to sell his property for the way he believes ...allpurpleallgold said:
Good thing this case will never be in a court of law.topdawgnc said:
Really, you are going to argue this?allpurpleallgold said:
This is almost as gross as when Damone referred to torture as "interrogation". That's all he did? Exercised his freedom of speech. That's it. You don't even understand freedom of speech you fucking idiot.topdawgnc said:Let me get this straight:
You can choke a coach
You can rape your nanny, assault a girl, and beat your wife
You can punch fans in the audience (the fans get banned for life from attending games in their home town)
And you can still play.
But ...
You exercise your freedom of speech in your own home, get recorded illegally ...
And you get banned for life ... as an owner ...
Only in America!
Is the NBA the police? Can they only consider things that were obtained legally? Are you that fucking stupid?
Since when did it become illegal and punishable when exercising freedom of speech in your own home?
This mother fucker has owned the team since 1981 ... 1981.
Where was the NBA when he was being sued for being a racist?
And yes... it was an illegal taping. It would not hold in a court of law. But apparently it is ok in the court of public opinion, unless it is obtained from the NSA.
Nice to know being an asshole in America is now frowned upon ...
Again ... choke, rape, beat, drug use ... all is fair game.
It will then land in a court of law.
Again, it is no shock he is a racist. The NBA would have been better off to take action when the dude was being sued for discrimination ... twice.
The NBA is just like Tiger's wife ... they didn't care until the public found out. And now they are overreacting.
Mark Cuban, an NBA franchise owner, agrees with me:
"In no uncertain terms am I supporting what Donald Sterling said, or his position," Cuban said. "He's obviously racist, he's obviously bigoted. And in this day and age when you're in the public eye, you've got to be damn careful -- if that's your position, and that's unfortunately where you're at, you better be damn careful what you say, even in the privacy of your own home.
"But regardless of your background, regardless of the history they have, if we're taking something somebody said in their home and we're trying to turn it into something that leads to you being forced to divest property in any way, shape or form, that's not the United States of America. I don't want to be part of that." -
What's their constitution? Link? I'd like to read it.allpurpleallgold said:
The NBA has a constitution. One that Sterling agreed to when he purchased the team. It states that the other owners can vote him out. He will get slaughtered if he fights this.topdawgnc said:
Try and force him to sell his property for the way he believes ...allpurpleallgold said:
Good thing this case will never be in a court of law.topdawgnc said:
Really, you are going to argue this?allpurpleallgold said:
This is almost as gross as when Damone referred to torture as "interrogation". That's all he did? Exercised his freedom of speech. That's it. You don't even understand freedom of speech you fucking idiot.topdawgnc said:Let me get this straight:
You can choke a coach
You can rape your nanny, assault a girl, and beat your wife
You can punch fans in the audience (the fans get banned for life from attending games in their home town)
And you can still play.
But ...
You exercise your freedom of speech in your own home, get recorded illegally ...
And you get banned for life ... as an owner ...
Only in America!
Is the NBA the police? Can they only consider things that were obtained legally? Are you that fucking stupid?
Since when did it become illegal and punishable when exercising freedom of speech in your own home?
This mother fucker has owned the team since 1981 ... 1981.
Where was the NBA when he was being sued for being a racist?
And yes... it was an illegal taping. It would not hold in a court of law. But apparently it is ok in the court of public opinion, unless it is obtained from the NSA.
Nice to know being an asshole in America is now frowned upon ...
Again ... choke, rape, beat, drug use ... all is fair game.
It will then land in a court of law.
And holy shit are you stupid. It's not about what he believes. He's believed this racist shit his whole life, everyone knew it and the NBA did nothing. Think.
It's all about this one recording being made public. It's a PR issue. I.e. A money issue. Nothing more. Other owners don't actually give a fuck that he's a racist. If you think they do, your naive. -
The NBA has a constitution. One that Sterling agreed to when he purchased the team. It states that the other owners can vote him out. He will get slaughtered if he fights this.
And holy shit are you stupid. It's not about what he believes. He's believed this racist shit his whole life, everyone knew it and the NBA did nothing. Think.
The owners can vote him out, and create a very slippery slope for themselves if they do.
And you are fucking stupid if you think a simple vote will get him out, contracts/constitutions mean shit to guys with 1.9 billion dollars ...
I love this line of defense when you have nothing but bullshit to spew:
Holy shit are you stupid. Blah Blah Blah ... I'm so smart ... Think.
What's there to think about dumb fuck.
The NBA is embarrassed and trying to cover their ass.
If the dude chooses to fight he has a case. He broke no laws, none ...
As I stated ... more than 1 NBA owner agrees with me.
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The league constitution allows owners to be forced out for offenses such as gambling, rigging games or ordering the team not to show up for games. There is nothing that fits Sterling’s comments precisely. The closest might be a provision to force a sale if an owner should “fail or refuse to fulfill its contractual obligations . . . in such a way as to affect the Association or its Members adversely.”
