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FBI investigates death of black man after video shows cop kneeling on his neck

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  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 23,629
    Baseman said:

    Yeah but the bigger picture is the cops went too far and killed a man.
    Agreed. And US cops kill far too many civilians every year.
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,369
    Sledog said:

    9th circuit court, in their very finite wisdom, ruled that a Taser is damn near a gun on the use of force continuum. They now have placed it above a baton, Tasers generally work if deployed correctly. The darts need a fairly wide spread for it to be effective. At closer ranges it's not too hot. You can drive stun with the exterior contacts but that is simply pain compliance. It does not have the same effect as properly deployed darts.

    We had the "choke hold" actually called the carotid restraint. Worked awesome. That is pretty much gone. looks bad. Some people died later most like because of drugs on board. As I mentioned earlier they are beginning to believe there is a deadly reaction that can occur after the altercation without warning typically involving drugs. Also one of the things effecting Taser use.

    Pepper spray works pretty well but often when people are really nutted up and going crazy it doesn't work either. Prior training such as when I started was that if people didn't comply you beat them with your stick until they do. The object was not only to stop the suspect from continuing his actions but keep the officer from being injured. But that begat Rodney King because they didn't hit him hard enough to break something and stop him. Baton targets are normally bones. If yo break his arm, leg, collar bone or a joint they usually don't continue. But that requires hitting them VERY hard. Can't pussy foot around or you end up with Rodeny.

    So the next tactic was dog pile them. That got us the crazy homeless guy in Fullerton Ca. death. Crushed him. And may be what happened here. Putting a knee on the neck is a pretty normal activity for a violently combative suspect. If they can talk they are certainly breathing. Normally this is only done long enough to get enough people to physically move the suspect into a car. Sometimes they're so nutted up they have to be strapped to a gurney. We lost the hobble because a few died after it's use.

    People die in fights and after fights for a myriad of reasons. My best advice is don't fight with the police! Fighting is dangerous you might get hurt. Snowflakes who have only fought in Call of Duty don't understand the realities.

    Sorry but to your point when someone resists arrest, they don't deserve a warm and fuzzy. What's a "wide spread "?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    edited May 2020
    dnc said:

    People are going to resist arrest. White people, black people, yella people. It's part of the gig when you're a cop. Am I teaching my kids to resist arrest? Of course not. Is it a sound strategy? No.

    Butt it's going to happen. And when it does, it doesn't give the officers carte blanche to torture the perp. The officer is supposed to represent the state, keep their emotions in check and follow procedure. I realize that's a lot to ask and not everyone is cut out to be a police officer.

    Butt that's what a cop is signing up for. If they can't handle that kind of pressure then there are a million other professions to pursue.
    I agree 100% with this. But using the Kunt logic that the Dazzler and others are using here telling your kids not to resist arrest = you siding with the police in this case and defending the indefensible
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,372 Standard Supporter
    It's also clear that a significant percentage of leftards are presuming that there should be no arrest if the perp flees and that if arrested, there should be catch and release unless their is actual violence involved.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 23,629

    It's also clear that a significant percentage of leftards are presuming that there should be no arrest if the perp flees and that if arrested, there should be catch and release unless their is actual violence involved.

    That fucker will never forge again! Well said, Gasbag!
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    SFGbob said:

    Here's another question for you to dodge like a Kunt Dazzler. Do your odds of being abused by the police increase or decrease when you resist arrest? Been my experience that they increase, greatly. So tell me again Kunt, what's wrong with telling people not to resist arrest?

    I am in no way saying that anything these cops did was legal and correct. But knowing that many cops are violent assholes looking to dole out a little street justice whenever the opportunity presents itself, I've always told my kids that if they get arrested or even pulled over by the cops for any reason that they should comply and not resist arrest. Do you tell your kids differently? Yes or no Kunt?

    I agree with everything here. Train your kids how Not to get killed by a cop no matter WHAT you were, were not doing. Good advice.

    But ripped out of the car for a misdemeanor?

    That leads directly into a 4-1 advantage with the perp on the ground, Cuffed.

    and Then, THEN! Cop puts his knee on the perps Neck and chokes the fucking life out of him while three OTHER officers give absolutely no care in an otherwise calm environment.

    Dude, tyfys but that, is Fucked up.
  • BasemanBaseman Member Posts: 12,369

    It's also clear that a significant percentage of leftards are presuming that there should be no arrest if the perp flees and that if arrested, there should be catch and release unless their is actual violence involved.

    Bullshit. I haven't seen that anywhere. No one is saying the victim deserved a pass.
  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,372 Standard Supporter
    Yeah, no state has a catch and release no bail parole program. No one said that the police should have let the Gentle Giant just go. No one said that the cops shouldn't arrest illegal NYC cigarette sellers who resist arrest.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 37,226 Standard Supporter

    Why does this seems to happen mostly in left leaning states controlled by Democrats with black police chiefs, with very left leaning city councils?

    These are the same people who want haul a citizen to jail for opening their store. Resist going to jail opening your store, end up dead. Leftists wet dream.

    This politicians support civil disobedience. They hate the police. Simple fact.
  • LebamDawgLebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,782 Swaye's Wigwam
    HHusky said:

    That fucker will never forge again! Well said, Gasbag!
    you keep citing the good news in these cases
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 24,010

    Yeah, no state has a catch and release no bail parole program. No one said that the police should have let the Gentle Giant just go. No one said that the cops shouldn't arrest illegal NYC cigarette sellers who resist arrest.

    I haven't said it here, in this thread, but I've said it elsewhere: if the choice truly were to either choke Garner out or let him go and catch him another day, given the offense, yeah, let him go. Sure, the risk of him illegally selling cigarettes, dangerous to the public though that may be, would persist until you found him again; but, call me crazy, weighing the merits I'd go with not choking someone to death.

    The police have to exercise judgment. It's inevitable. And like all of us who exercise judgment, we are prone to be second guessed.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 20,027 Standard Supporter

    Have you ever heard the phrase "that's beside the point"?

    Learn it, love it, live it.
    You don't get it, dude. That's exactly why this shit keeps happening.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 20,027 Standard Supporter
    doogie said:

    With 4 cops there all whom appear calm, once the cuffs were on, can’t the cop with his knee on throat simply tap out to one of the other three and walk away?

    Why don’t the other cops seem to give One fuck about the condition of the man in the ground?
    Yes, he clearly should've removed himself from the encounter at that point, he's a fuck for not doing so, and he's in deep shit that's only just begun. That said, these after-the-fact referee calls aren't doing shit about stopping these violent encounters.

    I'd rather see less dead guys than more cops getting in trouble, but that's just me.

    I know that sounds weird to the authoritarians and cop-haters, but I'm sure the guy's family would rather have him home, with a DWS or DUI than at the funeral home while they plan their lawsuits.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    edited May 2020
    There is no way to Legislate or bureaucratize this type of incident away. This cannot be the first incident with these 4 clowns.

    Make an example out of them.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 20,027 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    People are going to resist arrest. White people, black people, yella people. It's part of the gig when you're a cop. Am I teaching my kids to resist arrest? Of course not. Is it a sound strategy? No.

    Butt it's going to happen. And when it does, it doesn't give the officers carte blanche to torture the perp. The officer is supposed to represent the state, keep their emotions in check and follow procedure. I realize that's a lot to ask and not everyone is cut out to be a police officer.

    Butt that's what a cop is signing up for. If they can't handle that kind of pressure then there are a million other professions to pursue.
    A lot of my family were LEOs, including a local County Sheriff. My black sheep Brother-In-Law was a war-protesting "long-hair" hippie BITD (along with @RaceBannon, I'm sure) and constantly got beat on for mouthing off to cops and not following their commands. He finally learned to keep his mouth shut and comply after a copy kicked him in the ass so hard he could barely walk for a week.

    Was the cop wrong to do that? Yes. Did it matter? No. Did he ever want to feel that way again? Fuck no.

    So my brother-in-law decided to start cooperating with the cops instead of fighting them or refusing their orders and guess what? Never got arrested or had any legal problems again.

    Society needs cops. There's no way around it. They're a necessary evil we gotta deal with. Many, if not most, Seattle Cops are fucking Dicks, but am I gonna start shit with them? No.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    Yeah, I said that right after you said you want to fuck him in the ass while he is cuffed on the ground.

  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 20,027 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    People are going to resist arrest. White people, black people, yella people. It's part of the gig when you're a cop. Am I teaching my kids to resist arrest? Of course not. Is it a sound strategy? No.

    Butt it's going to happen. And when it does, it doesn't give the officers carte blanche to torture the perp. The officer is supposed to represent the state, keep their emotions in check and follow procedure. I realize that's a lot to ask and not everyone is cut out to be a police officer.

    Butt that's what a cop is signing up for. If they can't handle that kind of pressure then there are a million other professions to pursue.
    Seriously, @dnc, I don't see anyone arguing that point. Strawman argument. And you know how inhinged SFGBob gets about those.
  • doogiedoogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Your brother in law was never choked to death while in cuffs in custody while 3 other cops didn’t give a flying fuck.

    Sort of the issue here.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 20,027 Standard Supporter
    Baseman said:

    Yeah but the bigger picture is the cops went too far and killed a man.
    Amen.
  • TurdBomberTurdBomber Member Posts: 20,027 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    Agreed. And US cops kill far too many civilians every year.
    Except for one Royal Pain in the Ass they haven't gotten yet.
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