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FBI investigates death of black man after video shows cop kneeling on his neck
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I haven't said it here, in this thread, but I've said it elsewhere: if the choice truly were to either choke Garner out or let him go and catch him another day, given the offense, yeah, let him go. Sure, the risk of him illegally selling cigarettes, dangerous to the public though that may be, would persist until you found him again; but, call me crazy, weighing the merits I'd go with not choking someone to death.WestlinnDuck said:Yeah, no state has a catch and release no bail parole program. No one said that the police should have let the Gentle Giant just go. No one said that the cops shouldn't arrest illegal NYC cigarette sellers who resist arrest.
The police have to exercise judgment. It's inevitable. And like all of us who exercise judgment, we are prone to be second guessed. -
You don't get it, dude. That's exactly why this shit keeps happening.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Have you ever heard the phrase "that's beside the point"?SFGbob said:
Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.doogie said:Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!
Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.
Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.
End.
Learn it, love it, live it. -
Yes, he clearly should've removed himself from the encounter at that point, he's a fuck for not doing so, and he's in deep shit that's only just begun. That said, these after-the-fact referee calls aren't doing shit about stopping these violent encounters.doogie said:
With 4 cops there all whom appear calm, once the cuffs were on, can’t the cop with his knee on throat simply tap out to one of the other three and walk away?HHusky said:
Once the suspect is subdued, a cop’s gotta vent.SFGbob said:
Dazzler with the Kunt dodge.HHusky said:
Cuz I’m really no match for 4 doughnut stuffed thugs.SFGbob said:
Do you encourage your kids and or your clients to resist arrest Dazzler? Would you resist arrest? Why not?HHusky said:
The soft authoritarianism of low expectations.GrundleStiltzkin said:Bob still wanting to kill cuffed black men on the ground?
The cops are always professionals right? So why not resist?
Why don’t the other cops seem to give One fuck about the condition of the man in the ground?
I'd rather see less dead guys than more cops getting in trouble, but that's just me.
I know that sounds weird to the authoritarians and cop-haters, but I'm sure the guy's family would rather have him home, with a DWS or DUI than at the funeral home while they plan their lawsuits. -
There is no way to Legislate or bureaucratize this type of incident away. This cannot be the first incident with these 4 clowns.
Make an example out of them. -
A lot of my family were LEOs, including a local County Sheriff. My black sheep Brother-In-Law was a war-protesting "long-hair" hippie BITD (along with @RaceBannon, I'm sure) and constantly got beat on for mouthing off to cops and not following their commands. He finally learned to keep his mouth shut and comply after a copy kicked him in the ass so hard he could barely walk for a week.dnc said:
People are going to resist arrest. White people, black people, yella people. It's part of the gig when you're a cop. Am I teaching my kids to resist arrest? Of course not. Is it a sound strategy? No.TurdBomber said:
Who invited the dumbshit to this discussion?HHusky said:
Black victim, white officer. It’s like the Bat Signal goes up for blob and Turd to defend the indefensible.dnc said:
That's one hell of a leap Senator McCarthy.TurdBomber said:
Never said they did get it right in this case. But did the perp get it right? Or does it not matter one bit? Does it never take two to Tango? Be real.dnc said:
Bullshit.TurdBomber said:
Nope. That belief and approach is why this keeps happening. Communication is a two way street.dnc said:
The power is all on the side of the cops. They're ones with the law behind them. They're the ones with the weapons. They're the ones with the responsibility to get it right.TurdBomber said:
It's "criminal" to resist arrest. And what exactly is the correct level of response without being "severe?"Baseman said:
I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.SFGbob said:
Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.doogie said:Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!
Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.
Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.
End.
And what should the cops do when that doesn't work? See the problem?
Utopian, 20/20 Hindsight analyses are not getting the job done. These things keep happening because neither side of the encounter is completely innocent and because human beings are never perfect. These kinds of anti-social encounters do not get better by focusing all eyes and efforts on one side of the encounter, especially when deadly force is in play.
Fire all the cops, bust their union and throw them all in jail. And guess what? These things will keep happening.
What we have here is a clear failure to communicate by dumb, belligerent people which escalates into mini-warfare and conquest, and it's not going to stop just by all cops becoming good boys. It may get even worse.
They're also, incidentally, the ones that are still alive
The onus is completely on the side of the police to get this fixed.
Your position acquiesces in the attitudes and conduct, i.e., non-cooperation and escalation, that turns these encounters deadly.
The cops can be 100% perfect and still have to shoot a guy who resists arrest, and you'll still turn your focus directly on the cops.
There's two-sides to this coin, folks.
I've defended the police in multiple of these brouhahas including Ferguson.
When they get it right I'll defend them.
When they don't, I"ll call them out.
They sure as shit didn't get it right in this case.
Seems to me you're saying it doesn't matter what a perp is doing, the cops have to be right (perfect) or it's always 100% their fault, cause they have the guns and means of control.
I'm also sensing an attitude that cops should just expect and put up with a fight or struggle with black people, cause that's just how they are, history has done them or their ancestors wrong, and we shouldn't expect black guys to cooperate or de-escalate situations. Please tell me that's not the position you're taking here.
Butt it's going to happen. And when it does, it doesn't give the officers carte blanche to torture the perp. The officer is supposed to represent the state, keep their emotions in check and follow procedure. I realize that's a lot to ask and not everyone is cut out to be a police officer.
Butt that's what a cop is signing up for. If they can't handle that kind of pressure then there are a million other professions to pursue.
Was the cop wrong to do that? Yes. Did it matter? No. Did he ever want to feel that way again? Fuck no.
So my brother-in-law decided to start cooperating with the cops instead of fighting them or refusing their orders and guess what? Never got arrested or had any legal problems again.
Society needs cops. There's no way around it. They're a necessary evil we gotta deal with. Many, if not most, Seattle Cops are fucking Dicks, but am I gonna start shit with them? No. -
SFGbob said:
Yeah, I said that right after you said you want to fuck him in the ass while he is cuffed on the ground.GrundleStiltzkin said:Bob still wanting to kill cuffed black men on the ground?
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Seriously, @dnc, I don't see anyone arguing that point. Strawman argument. And you know how inhinged SFGBob gets about those.dnc said:
People are going to resist arrest. White people, black people, yella people. It's part of the gig when you're a cop. Am I teaching my kids to resist arrest? Of course not. Is it a sound strategy? No.TurdBomber said:
Who invited the dumbshit to this discussion?HHusky said:
Black victim, white officer. It’s like the Bat Signal goes up for blob and Turd to defend the indefensible.dnc said:
That's one hell of a leap Senator McCarthy.TurdBomber said:
Never said they did get it right in this case. But did the perp get it right? Or does it not matter one bit? Does it never take two to Tango? Be real.dnc said:
Bullshit.TurdBomber said:
Nope. That belief and approach is why this keeps happening. Communication is a two way street.dnc said:
The power is all on the side of the cops. They're ones with the law behind them. They're the ones with the weapons. They're the ones with the responsibility to get it right.TurdBomber said:
It's "criminal" to resist arrest. And what exactly is the correct level of response without being "severe?"Baseman said:
I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.SFGbob said:
Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.doogie said:Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!
Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.
Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.
End.
And what should the cops do when that doesn't work? See the problem?
Utopian, 20/20 Hindsight analyses are not getting the job done. These things keep happening because neither side of the encounter is completely innocent and because human beings are never perfect. These kinds of anti-social encounters do not get better by focusing all eyes and efforts on one side of the encounter, especially when deadly force is in play.
Fire all the cops, bust their union and throw them all in jail. And guess what? These things will keep happening.
What we have here is a clear failure to communicate by dumb, belligerent people which escalates into mini-warfare and conquest, and it's not going to stop just by all cops becoming good boys. It may get even worse.
They're also, incidentally, the ones that are still alive
The onus is completely on the side of the police to get this fixed.
Your position acquiesces in the attitudes and conduct, i.e., non-cooperation and escalation, that turns these encounters deadly.
The cops can be 100% perfect and still have to shoot a guy who resists arrest, and you'll still turn your focus directly on the cops.
There's two-sides to this coin, folks.
I've defended the police in multiple of these brouhahas including Ferguson.
When they get it right I'll defend them.
When they don't, I"ll call them out.
They sure as shit didn't get it right in this case.
Seems to me you're saying it doesn't matter what a perp is doing, the cops have to be right (perfect) or it's always 100% their fault, cause they have the guns and means of control.
I'm also sensing an attitude that cops should just expect and put up with a fight or struggle with black people, cause that's just how they are, history has done them or their ancestors wrong, and we shouldn't expect black guys to cooperate or de-escalate situations. Please tell me that's not the position you're taking here.
Butt it's going to happen. And when it does, it doesn't give the officers carte blanche to torture the perp. The officer is supposed to represent the state, keep their emotions in check and follow procedure. I realize that's a lot to ask and not everyone is cut out to be a police officer.
Butt that's what a cop is signing up for. If they can't handle that kind of pressure then there are a million other professions to pursue. -
Your brother in law was never choked to death while in cuffs in custody while 3 other cops didn’t give a flying fuck.
Sort of the issue here. -
Amen.Baseman said:
Yeah but the bigger picture is the cops went too far and killed a man.HHusky said:
Black victim, white officer. It’s like the Bat Signal goes up for blob and Turd to defend the indefensible.dnc said:
That's one hell of a leap Senator McCarthy.TurdBomber said:
Never said they did get it right in this case. But did the perp get it right? Or does it not matter one bit? Does it never take two to Tango? Be real.dnc said:
Bullshit.TurdBomber said:
Nope. That belief and approach is why this keeps happening. Communication is a two way street.dnc said:
The power is all on the side of the cops. They're ones with the law behind them. They're the ones with the weapons. They're the ones with the responsibility to get it right.TurdBomber said:
It's "criminal" to resist arrest. And what exactly is the correct level of response without being "severe?"Baseman said:
I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.SFGbob said:
Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.doogie said:Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!
Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.
Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.
End.
And what should the cops do when that doesn't work? See the problem?
Utopian, 20/20 Hindsight analyses are not getting the job done. These things keep happening because neither side of the encounter is completely innocent and because human beings are never perfect. These kinds of anti-social encounters do not get better by focusing all eyes and efforts on one side of the encounter, especially when deadly force is in play.
Fire all the cops, bust their union and throw them all in jail. And guess what? These things will keep happening.
What we have here is a clear failure to communicate by dumb, belligerent people which escalates into mini-warfare and conquest, and it's not going to stop just by all cops becoming good boys. It may get even worse.
They're also, incidentally, the ones that are still alive
The onus is completely on the side of the police to get this fixed.
Your position acquiesces in the attitudes and conduct, i.e., non-cooperation and escalation, that turns these encounters deadly.
The cops can be 100% perfect and still have to shoot a guy who resists arrest, and you'll still turn your focus directly on the cops.
There's two-sides to this coin, folks.
I've defended the police in multiple of these brouhahas including Ferguson.
When they get it right I'll defend them.
When they don't, I"ll call them out.
They sure as shit didn't get it right in this case.
Seems to me you're saying it doesn't matter what a perp is doing, the cops have to be right (perfect) or it's always 100% their fault, cause they have the guns and means of control.
I'm also sensing an attitude that cops should just expect and put up with a fight or struggle with black people, cause that's just how they are, history has done them or their ancestors wrong, and we shouldn't expect black guys to cooperate or de-escalate situations. Please tell me that's not the position you're taking here. -
Except for one Royal Pain in the Ass they haven't gotten yet.HHusky said:
Agreed. And US cops kill far too many civilians every year.Baseman said:
Yeah but the bigger picture is the cops went too far and killed a man.HHusky said:
Black victim, white officer. It’s like the Bat Signal goes up for blob and Turd to defend the indefensible.dnc said:
That's one hell of a leap Senator McCarthy.TurdBomber said:
Never said they did get it right in this case. But did the perp get it right? Or does it not matter one bit? Does it never take two to Tango? Be real.dnc said:
Bullshit.TurdBomber said:
Nope. That belief and approach is why this keeps happening. Communication is a two way street.dnc said:
The power is all on the side of the cops. They're ones with the law behind them. They're the ones with the weapons. They're the ones with the responsibility to get it right.TurdBomber said:
It's "criminal" to resist arrest. And what exactly is the correct level of response without being "severe?"Baseman said:
I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.SFGbob said:
Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.doogie said:Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!
Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.
Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.
End.
And what should the cops do when that doesn't work? See the problem?
Utopian, 20/20 Hindsight analyses are not getting the job done. These things keep happening because neither side of the encounter is completely innocent and because human beings are never perfect. These kinds of anti-social encounters do not get better by focusing all eyes and efforts on one side of the encounter, especially when deadly force is in play.
Fire all the cops, bust their union and throw them all in jail. And guess what? These things will keep happening.
What we have here is a clear failure to communicate by dumb, belligerent people which escalates into mini-warfare and conquest, and it's not going to stop just by all cops becoming good boys. It may get even worse.
They're also, incidentally, the ones that are still alive
The onus is completely on the side of the police to get this fixed.
Your position acquiesces in the attitudes and conduct, i.e., non-cooperation and escalation, that turns these encounters deadly.
The cops can be 100% perfect and still have to shoot a guy who resists arrest, and you'll still turn your focus directly on the cops.
There's two-sides to this coin, folks.
I've defended the police in multiple of these brouhahas including Ferguson.
When they get it right I'll defend them.
When they don't, I"ll call them out.
They sure as shit didn't get it right in this case.
Seems to me you're saying it doesn't matter what a perp is doing, the cops have to be right (perfect) or it's always 100% their fault, cause they have the guns and means of control.
I'm also sensing an attitude that cops should just expect and put up with a fight or struggle with black people, cause that's just how they are, history has done them or their ancestors wrong, and we shouldn't expect black guys to cooperate or de-escalate situations. Please tell me that's not the position you're taking here.
