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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,870


    The goal of the shut down has been been met.

    If the goal posts have been moved to waiting for a vaccine for a virus that has a .2 - .6% death rate (overwhelming elderly who have health issues), we will do this until a great depression kills millions worldwide. This is not a reasonable option and will destroy lives, communities, and our country long term.

    We are never going to wait out the virus. That is not a possibility. We can only manage the rate it spreads, and do everything we can to protect the most vulnerable. But we all know an economic collapse will kill far more than this virus.

    We need to get back to living and be very diligent with nursing homes and other vulnerable people.

    But this zero tolerance policy that has us in an indefinite economic shut down because "if it saves one life..." will lead to civil unrest when the economy completely collapses.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/?outputType=amp
  • 89ute
    89ute Member Posts: 2,477
    Nothing's changed with me

    Other people are starting to see the light.

    https://patriotpulse.net/tucker-carlson-unleashed-one-reality-check-that-could-end-dr-faucis-career/

    Carlson pointed out that the eight red states that did not issue shelter in place orders had fewer deaths and cases than the national average on per capita basis.

    Sweden, most famously, has never locked down.
    Restaurants there have never closed. That country is still suffering from coronavirus, suffering more in fact than we are in the U.S. But the country’s epidemic appears to have peaked. And without locking down, Sweden has, and this is the key, has fared far better than other European countries that did lock down. That includes Britain, Italy, Spain and Belgium.”
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,673 Founders Club
    HHusky said:


    The goal of the shut down has been been met.

    If the goal posts have been moved to waiting for a vaccine for a virus that has a .2 - .6% death rate (overwhelming elderly who have health issues), we will do this until a great depression kills millions worldwide. This is not a reasonable option and will destroy lives, communities, and our country long term.

    We are never going to wait out the virus. That is not a possibility. We can only manage the rate it spreads, and do everything we can to protect the most vulnerable. But we all know an economic collapse will kill far more than this virus.

    We need to get back to living and be very diligent with nursing homes and other vulnerable people.

    But this zero tolerance policy that has us in an indefinite economic shut down because "if it saves one life..." will lead to civil unrest when the economy completely collapses.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/?outputType=amp
    So?
  • thechatch
    thechatch Member Posts: 7,196
    Open it back up.

    Now.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    thechatch said:

    Open it back up.

    Now.

    Granny killer.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,673 Founders Club

    Here is what Trump said on March 4:

    “Well, I think the 3.4 percent is really a false number. Now, and this is just my hunch, and — but based on a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this. Because a lot people will have this and it’s very mild. They’ll get better very rapidly. They don’t even see a doctor. They don’t even call a doctor.”

    He went on to say:

    “I think that that number (the WHO number) is very high. I think the number, personally, I would say the number is way under 1 percent.”

    Democrats and media pundits blasted Trump for spreading “misinformation.”


    Aptos house husbands were also irate as I recall


    Smart people like Don and me had a good grip on the science early on

    Bump. This is why the briefings are useless
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,534 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    doogie said:

    We’ve shifted from trying to stop massive number of short term death to stopping all infections, an impossibility.

    By definition we were ALWAYS trying to make the R0 < 1. That is fundamental and it hasn’t changed.
    It won't get to less than 1 until we achieve herd immunity. That wasn't the point of the shut down. It was to smooth out the death rate. We have done that. Better to have people exposed this spring and summer than kill the economy and have no functioning hospitals this fall and winter. You are free to shelter in place all you want. Apparently, you have the same position on that as you do on taxes. You think you should pay more taxes but won't until you are forced to. You won't sit in the dark in your basement unless you are forced to. The spirit of America is on display with the dazzler. Now I need to send a royalty check to the Throbber.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,673 Founders Club
    89ute said:

    Nothing's changed with me

    Other people are starting to see the light.

    https://patriotpulse.net/tucker-carlson-unleashed-one-reality-check-that-could-end-dr-faucis-career/

    Carlson pointed out that the eight red states that did not issue shelter in place orders had fewer deaths and cases than the national average on per capita basis.

    Sweden, most famously, has never locked down.
    Restaurants there have never closed. That country is still suffering from coronavirus, suffering more in fact than we are in the U.S. But the country’s epidemic appears to have peaked. And without locking down, Sweden has, and this is the key, has fared far better than other European countries that did lock down. That includes Britain, Italy, Spain and Belgium.

    That's what those of us who read books and love science call a control group showing that we fucked the economy in vain

    So lets knock off the bullshit and open it up

  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    FU


    Bout dat motordick?


    Simple deal, Pod.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,534 Standard Supporter
    Fauci represents what's wrong with our so called elite. First he is a natural pussy and thus his gut instinct was to believe the worse case models created by other natural pussies. You could look at the cruise ship and get far better real data than a phu*cking model that said 2 million dead Americans. Next, we now have real data. But a natural pussy like Fauci won't own up to his bad recommendation but has moved the goal posts. Fauci wouldn't go on Tucker's show and get creamed. Why hasn't anybody asked him why the goal posts have been moved? How many tests do we need and when will they be completed? What is the best and worst case for hundreds of million of vaccines for the US? If we had a functioning press, Fauci's life would be an embarrassing humiliation rather than the medical sage of our lifetime. But Trump said "Lysol".

    Protect the elderly and those with underlying medical conditions and open it up. The curve he wanted bent is bent. Trump likes pussies but isn't one. 2 million dead Americans struck him as insane. And yet, we have leftards on the Tug and almost all the MSM telling us how stupid Trump is and that Slo Joe is the cure. Geezus.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,673 Founders Club
    Foochie is buy being a rock star and getting that 15 minutes in

  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117

    Fauci represents what's wrong with our so called elite. First he is a natural pussy and thus his gut instinct was to believe the worse case models created by other natural pussies. You could look at the cruise ship and get far better real data than a phu*cking model that said 2 million dead Americans. Next, we now have real data. But a natural pussy like Fauci won't own up to his bad recommendation but has moved the goal posts. Fauci wouldn't go on Tucker's show and get creamed. Why hasn't anybody asked him why the goal posts have been moved? How many tests do we need and when will they be completed? What is the best and worst case for hundreds of million of vaccines for the US? If we had a functioning press, Fauci's life would be an embarrassing humiliation rather than the medical sage of our lifetime. But Trump said "Lysol".

    Protect the elderly and those with underlying medical conditions and open it up. The curve he wanted bent is bent. Trump likes pussies but isn't one. 2 million dead Americans struck him as insane. And yet, we have leftards on the Tug and almost all the MSM telling us how stupid Trump is and that Slo Joe is the cure. Geezus.

    Serious question. Was the 2M dead estimate with or without mitigation efforts?
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Serious question: Why doesn’t Trump get the credit from you that he deserves for saving over 2,000,000 lives?
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    doogie said:

    Serious question: Why doesn’t Trump get the credit from you that he deserves for saving over 2,000,000 lives?

    Lol slurp slurp
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    Serious question elicits childish response?

    - 2-2.5 million to die unless mitigation.
    - Trump orders Mitigation
    - actual Scientific Data proving a 95% reduction

    What happened, in your own words.
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    doogie said:

    Serious question elicits childish response?

    - 2-2.5 million to die unless mitigation.
    - Trump orders Mitigation
    - actual Scientific Data proving a 95% reduction

    What happened, in your own words.

    Trump left it to the states. Governors and scientists get the credit. If it were up to Trump, we'd be well on our way to 2M. https://youtu.be/VcEnG7qxnLY
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,673 Founders Club

    doogie said:

    Serious question elicits childish response?

    - 2-2.5 million to die unless mitigation.
    - Trump orders Mitigation
    - actual Scientific Data proving a 95% reduction

    What happened, in your own words.

    Trump left it to the states. Governors and scientists get the credit. If it were up to Trump, we'd be well on our way to 2M. https://youtu.be/VcEnG7qxnLY
    Governors and scientists get the credit for destroying the economy on fucked up models

    Agree

    Now own it
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    Sweden also has a lot of factors working in their favor. The country is not very dense, average household sizes are small, the population is generally healthier, and of course they have nationalized healthcare. They've also benefitted from their neighbors implementing social distancing.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,034 Standard Supporter

    doogie said:

    Serious question elicits childish response?

    - 2-2.5 million to die unless mitigation.
    - Trump orders Mitigation
    - actual Scientific Data proving a 95% reduction

    What happened, in your own words.

    Trump left it to the states. Governors and scientists get the credit. If it were up to Trump, we'd be well on our way to 2M. https://youtu.be/VcEnG7qxnLY
    A Daily Show clip. I wonder what it says?
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117

    doogie said:

    Serious question elicits childish response?

    - 2-2.5 million to die unless mitigation.
    - Trump orders Mitigation
    - actual Scientific Data proving a 95% reduction

    What happened, in your own words.

    Trump left it to the states. Governors and scientists get the credit. If it were up to Trump, we'd be well on our way to 2M. https://youtu.be/VcEnG7qxnLY
    A Daily Show clip. I wonder what it says?
    Watch it pussy
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,034 Standard Supporter

    doogie said:

    Serious question elicits childish response?

    - 2-2.5 million to die unless mitigation.
    - Trump orders Mitigation
    - actual Scientific Data proving a 95% reduction

    What happened, in your own words.

    Trump left it to the states. Governors and scientists get the credit. If it were up to Trump, we'd be well on our way to 2M. https://youtu.be/VcEnG7qxnLY
    A Daily Show clip. I wonder what it says?
    Watch it pussy
    I get it. Watching Comedy Central is Tuff to a pencil-neck like yourself.

    Sorry about all those garbage cans you got thrown into as a teen.
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117

    doogie said:

    Serious question elicits childish response?

    - 2-2.5 million to die unless mitigation.
    - Trump orders Mitigation
    - actual Scientific Data proving a 95% reduction

    What happened, in your own words.

    Trump left it to the states. Governors and scientists get the credit. If it were up to Trump, we'd be well on our way to 2M. https://youtu.be/VcEnG7qxnLY
    A Daily Show clip. I wonder what it says?
    Watch it pussy
    I get it. Watching Comedy Central is Tuff to a pencil-neck like yourself.

    Sorry about all those garbage cans you got thrown into as a teen.
    Your snatch sore from seeing your beloved dear leader criticized? You Trump lovers are the softest snowflakes of them all.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,034 Standard Supporter

    doogie said:

    Serious question elicits childish response?

    - 2-2.5 million to die unless mitigation.
    - Trump orders Mitigation
    - actual Scientific Data proving a 95% reduction

    What happened, in your own words.

    Trump left it to the states. Governors and scientists get the credit. If it were up to Trump, we'd be well on our way to 2M. https://youtu.be/VcEnG7qxnLY
    A Daily Show clip. I wonder what it says?
    Watch it pussy
    I get it. Watching Comedy Central is Tuff to a pencil-neck like yourself.

    Sorry about all those garbage cans you got thrown into as a teen.
    Your snatch sore from seeing your beloved dear leader criticized? You Trump lovers are the softest snowflakes of them all.
    Don't confuse my hatred of beta-males like yourself with love for Trump. He's a jack-ass with a big mouth who wastes his time tweeting way too much and tangles with too many losers way below his pay grade.

    Yet he understands money better than anyone you faggot Dems have stood up in the last 20 years.

    So, why do you hate money, capitalism and the USA, Traitor?
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,534 Standard Supporter
    Insincere loves himself some freesh*t. And rooting for the away team.
  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117

    doogie said:

    Serious question elicits childish response?

    - 2-2.5 million to die unless mitigation.
    - Trump orders Mitigation
    - actual Scientific Data proving a 95% reduction

    What happened, in your own words.

    Trump left it to the states. Governors and scientists get the credit. If it were up to Trump, we'd be well on our way to 2M. https://youtu.be/VcEnG7qxnLY
    A Daily Show clip. I wonder what it says?
    Watch it pussy
    I get it. Watching Comedy Central is Tuff to a pencil-neck like yourself.

    Sorry about all those garbage cans you got thrown into as a teen.
    Your snatch sore from seeing your beloved dear leader criticized? You Trump lovers are the softest snowflakes of them all.
    Don't confuse my hatred of beta-males like yourself with love for Trump. He's a jack-ass with a big mouth who wastes his time tweeting way too much and tangles with too many losers way below his pay grade.

    Yet he understands money better than anyone you faggot Dems have stood up in the last 20 years.

    So, why do you hate money, capitalism and the USA, Traitor?
    Talking tough on the interwebs. You're a true Alpha!

    711 bitch
  • doogie
    doogie Member Posts: 15,072
    So you’re Pandumic? Didn’t know th

    Sweden also has a lot of factors working in their favor. The country is not very dense, average household sizes are small, the population is generally healthier, and of course they have nationalized healthcare. They've also benefitted from their neighbors implementing social distancing.

    oh, look! another Yabbit
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,034 Standard Supporter

    doogie said:

    Serious question elicits childish response?

    - 2-2.5 million to die unless mitigation.
    - Trump orders Mitigation
    - actual Scientific Data proving a 95% reduction

    What happened, in your own words.

    Trump left it to the states. Governors and scientists get the credit. If it were up to Trump, we'd be well on our way to 2M. https://youtu.be/VcEnG7qxnLY
    A Daily Show clip. I wonder what it says?
    Watch it pussy
    I get it. Watching Comedy Central is Tuff to a pencil-neck like yourself.

    Sorry about all those garbage cans you got thrown into as a teen.
    Your snatch sore from seeing your beloved dear leader criticized? You Trump lovers are the softest snowflakes of them all.
    Don't confuse my hatred of beta-males like yourself with love for Trump. He's a jack-ass with a big mouth who wastes his time tweeting way too much and tangles with too many losers way below his pay grade.

    Yet he understands money better than anyone you faggot Dems have stood up in the last 20 years.

    So, why do you hate money, capitalism and the USA, Traitor?
    Talking tough on the interwebs. You're a true Alpha!

    711 bitch
    Where did I talk tuff in this poast?

    You're even more Beta than I thought. Wowsa.