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Pistol Pete and the Trojans
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That's ignorant. Or trolling. Abundance.ThomasFremont said:
Obviously white guys can ball. But I’m in agreement with Roadie that the only reason y’all give a shit about Pistol is because he’s white. He’s a poor man’s Brent Barry.PurpleThrobber said:It's ok - white guys can ball too.
Or is your guys' contention players like Connie Hawkins or Elgin Baylor or Oscar Robertson wouldn't translate to the current game either?
Because that's complete and utter bullshit.
Ball don't lie. 44.2 PPG.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWX8fRL2-7I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNTtYNU9rKc
You guys don't know jack.
Sorry. Truth.
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“He wanted to be remembered as a Christian, not a basketball player”
I think we should honor his wishes. -
Bundy prolly had some other self-identifier than serial killer, too - but that didn't change what he was.ThomasFremont said:“He wanted to be remembered as a Christian, not a basketball player”
I think we should honor his wishes.
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On a ton of shots. Under 50% with no three point line. He got the green light on any shot because he was fun to watch. He obviously put butts in the seats as well.PurpleThrobber said:
That's ignorant. Or trolling. Abundance.ThomasFremont said:
Obviously white guys can ball. But I’m in agreement with Roadie that the only reason y’all give a shit about Pistol is because he’s white. He’s a poor man’s Brent Barry.PurpleThrobber said:It's ok - white guys can ball too.
Or is your guys' contention players like Connie Hawkins or Elgin Baylor or Oscar Robertson wouldn't translate to the current game either?
Because that's complete and utter bullshit.
Ball don't lie. 44.2 PPG. -
High volume shooter on terrible team scores lots of points, wins nothing. News at 11.RoadDawg55 said:
On a ton of shots. Under 50% with no three point line. He got the green light on any shot because he was fun to watch. He obviously put butts in the seats as well.PurpleThrobber said:
That's ignorant. Or trolling. Abundance.ThomasFremont said:
Obviously white guys can ball. But I’m in agreement with Roadie that the only reason y’all give a shit about Pistol is because he’s white. He’s a poor man’s Brent Barry.PurpleThrobber said:It's ok - white guys can ball too.
Or is your guys' contention players like Connie Hawkins or Elgin Baylor or Oscar Robertson wouldn't translate to the current game either?
Because that's complete and utter bullshit.
Ball don't lie. 44.2 PPG. -
Who's to say the shots he was taking weren't from far enough out to be a 3 today?RoadDawg55 said:
On a ton of shots. Under 50% with no three point line. He got the green light on any shot because he was fun to watch. He obviously put butts in the seats as well.PurpleThrobber said:
That's ignorant. Or trolling. Abundance.ThomasFremont said:
Obviously white guys can ball. But I’m in agreement with Roadie that the only reason y’all give a shit about Pistol is because he’s white. He’s a poor man’s Brent Barry.PurpleThrobber said:It's ok - white guys can ball too.
Or is your guys' contention players like Connie Hawkins or Elgin Baylor or Oscar Robertson wouldn't translate to the current game either?
Because that's complete and utter bullshit.
Ball don't lie. 44.2 PPG. -
Or perhaps he was getting the shit beat out of him as defense used to be played.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Who's to say the shots he was taking weren't from far enough out to be a 3 today?RoadDawg55 said:
On a ton of shots. Under 50% with no three point line. He got the green light on any shot because he was fun to watch. He obviously put butts in the seats as well.PurpleThrobber said:
That's ignorant. Or trolling. Abundance.ThomasFremont said:
Obviously white guys can ball. But I’m in agreement with Roadie that the only reason y’all give a shit about Pistol is because he’s white. He’s a poor man’s Brent Barry.PurpleThrobber said:It's ok - white guys can ball too.
Or is your guys' contention players like Connie Hawkins or Elgin Baylor or Oscar Robertson wouldn't translate to the current game either?
Because that's complete and utter bullshit.
Ball don't lie. 44.2 PPG.
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Let's see some videos or gifs of defenses beating the shit out of him or anyone in that time period.
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I’m sure he hit some, but I bet most shots were tough, contested mid range jumpers. Without the three point line, those shots were just as worthless and you’re best off giving it to your best scorer (almost exclusively bigs) at the rim.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Who's to say the shots he was taking weren't from far enough out to be a 3 today?RoadDawg55 said:
On a ton of shots. Under 50% with no three point line. He got the green light on any shot because he was fun to watch. He obviously put butts in the seats as well.PurpleThrobber said:
That's ignorant. Or trolling. Abundance.ThomasFremont said:
Obviously white guys can ball. But I’m in agreement with Roadie that the only reason y’all give a shit about Pistol is because he’s white. He’s a poor man’s Brent Barry.PurpleThrobber said:It's ok - white guys can ball too.
Or is your guys' contention players like Connie Hawkins or Elgin Baylor or Oscar Robertson wouldn't translate to the current game either?
Because that's complete and utter bullshit.
Ball don't lie. 44.2 PPG.
He was in the wrong era because it was dominated by big men, but a guy putting up points on low averages, for teams that didn’t win shit, is not really an all time great. -
I don't have much of an opinion on Maravich. But George Gervin was an example of someone who scored tons while on lousy teams, and therefore was a ad overrated.
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But he could finger roll.DerekJohnson said:I don't have much of an opinion on Maravich. But George Gervin was an example of someone who scored tons while on lousy teams, and therefore was a ad overrated.
Pete Maravich was voted in as one of the 50 Greatest NBA Players during their 50th Anniversary as selected by a boat of 'experts' including former players and coaches. You want to drop him off with a few players subsequent to 1996, go ahead -but there are somewhere between 6 and 10 players that need to GTFO before Pistol Pete. Check the voters. Pretty decent list of basketball playres, coaches and media voting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Greatest_Players_in_NBA_History
I'd probably drop Sam Jones, Hal Greer, Red Kerr, Dave DeBusschere, Dave Bing and Jerry Lucas before Pistol Pete - sub in Lebron, Kobe, Garnett, and a few more.
Gervin was one of the Top 50 of All Time, too.
Tommy and Roadie just be hating on whitey. And trolling. Or abundantly doing some whitey hating trolling.
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Gladstone said:
Let's see some videos or gifs of defenses beating the shit out of him or anyone in that time period.
Another whitey hating troll.
The NBA in the 70's and 80's was WWE wrestling. Hand checking was legal, for christ sake.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=1970s+nba+fights&FORM=HDRSC3
Gofuckfind them yourself. -
geriatric rage spittle
can we post the “sounds like you care” meme if its unironic -
When discussing the best players of all time, I like to ignore the past 24 years...
GTFO with this weak old man shit. -
I said drop 6 or 7 out. Go ahead and toss whoever you want.ThomasFremont said:When discussing the best players of all time, I like to ignore the past 24 years...
GTFO with this weak old man shit.
Your reading comprehension used to be a lot better.
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There are a lot more than 6 or 7 guys since 1997 that belong. That’s crazy. Like Tommy said, 24 years is a long time.PurpleThrobber said:
I said drop 6 or 7 out. Go ahead and toss whoever you want.ThomasFremont said:When discussing the best players of all time, I like to ignore the past 24 years...
GTFO with this weak old man shit.
Your reading comprehension used to be a lot better.
You can’t arguably say Pete Marinovich is better than Kawaii Leonard. He’s not better than Curry. Not better than Wade. He’s not even better than Westbrook, Paul, and Harden. Add Tony Parker to the list.
Ones that certainly belong since that list: Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk, LeBron, Wade, Curry, Durant.
Probably: Kidd, Leonard, Paul Pierce
Next tier: Nash, Thompson, Westbrook, Paul, Ginobili, Parker, Payton, Ray Allen, Giannis (for now, but will end top 50 unless a career ending injury happens).
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Pick 10 then. Make a new 50 list. You fail to account for how older players would adapt to new coaching, new strength training, new nutrition, new playing style. And conversely, you're not going to see Westbrook and Harden doing some of the shit they do these days back in, say, 1979. They just wouldn't. You have to account for the era in which they played.RoadDawg55 said:
There are a lot more than 6 or 7 guys since 1997 that belong. That’s crazy. Like Tommy said, 24 years is a long time.PurpleThrobber said:
I said drop 6 or 7 out. Go ahead and toss whoever you want.ThomasFremont said:When discussing the best players of all time, I like to ignore the past 24 years...
GTFO with this weak old man shit.
Your reading comprehension used to be a lot better.
You can’t arguably say Pete Marinovich is better than Kawaii Leonard. He’s not better than Curry. Not better than Wade. He’s not even better than Westbrook, Paul, and Harden. Add Tony Parker to the list.
Ones that certainly belong since that list: Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk, LeBron, Wade, Curry, Durant.
Probably: Kidd, Leonard, Paul Pierce
Next tier: Nash, Thompson, Westbrook, Paul, Ginobili, Parker, Payton, Ray Allen, Giannis (for now, but will end top 50 unless a career ending injury happens).
Pete had more influence than many of these guys, but he wasn’t better.
Christ, the all time Celtics used to smoke cigarettes at halftime. That doesn't mean you'd knock Bill Russell out of the Top 50.
Pistol Pete was this shit. Ginobili...GTFO with that shit. C'mon, man. You're being obtuse.
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Winners win.PurpleThrobber said:
Pick 10 then. Make a new 50 list. You fail to account for how older players would adapt to new coaching, new strength training, new nutrition, new playing style. And conversely, you're not going to see Westbrook and Harden doing some of the shit they do these days back in, say, 1979. They just wouldn't. You have to account for the era in which they played.RoadDawg55 said:
There are a lot more than 6 or 7 guys since 1997 that belong. That’s crazy. Like Tommy said, 24 years is a long time.PurpleThrobber said:
I said drop 6 or 7 out. Go ahead and toss whoever you want.ThomasFremont said:When discussing the best players of all time, I like to ignore the past 24 years...
GTFO with this weak old man shit.
Your reading comprehension used to be a lot better.
You can’t arguably say Pete Marinovich is better than Kawaii Leonard. He’s not better than Curry. Not better than Wade. He’s not even better than Westbrook, Paul, and Harden. Add Tony Parker to the list.
Ones that certainly belong since that list: Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk, LeBron, Wade, Curry, Durant.
Probably: Kidd, Leonard, Paul Pierce
Next tier: Nash, Thompson, Westbrook, Paul, Ginobili, Parker, Payton, Ray Allen, Giannis (for now, but will end top 50 unless a career ending injury happens).
Pete had more influence than many of these guys, but he wasn’t better.
Christ, the all time Celtics used to smoke cigarettes at halftime. That doesn't mean you'd knock Bill Russell out of the Top 50.
Pistol Pete was this shit. Ginobili...GTFO with that shit. C'mon, man. You're being obtuse.
Pete didn't win shit.
I'm all in on the Larry Bird is an all time great and could play in any era argument. He got rings.
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Pistol Pete played on two winning teams his whole career and one was the Celtics in his last season, which doesn’t even count.
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Ginobili won. Was the go to guy in the clutch for a portion of the Spurs run. One of the best International players of all time. He made a top 50 list I am reading right now at #37. That might be high but his NBA and International careers are way better than Pete’s regardless of era.PurpleThrobber said:
Pick 10 then. Make a new 50 list. You fail to account for how older players would adapt to new coaching, new strength training, new nutrition, new playing style. And conversely, you're not going to see Westbrook and Harden doing some of the shit they do these days back in, say, 1979. They just wouldn't. You have to account for the era in which they played.RoadDawg55 said:
There are a lot more than 6 or 7 guys since 1997 that belong. That’s crazy. Like Tommy said, 24 years is a long time.PurpleThrobber said:
I said drop 6 or 7 out. Go ahead and toss whoever you want.ThomasFremont said:When discussing the best players of all time, I like to ignore the past 24 years...
GTFO with this weak old man shit.
Your reading comprehension used to be a lot better.
You can’t arguably say Pete Marinovich is better than Kawaii Leonard. He’s not better than Curry. Not better than Wade. He’s not even better than Westbrook, Paul, and Harden. Add Tony Parker to the list.
Ones that certainly belong since that list: Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk, LeBron, Wade, Curry, Durant.
Probably: Kidd, Leonard, Paul Pierce
Next tier: Nash, Thompson, Westbrook, Paul, Ginobili, Parker, Payton, Ray Allen, Giannis (for now, but will end top 50 unless a career ending injury happens).
Pete had more influence than many of these guys, but he wasn’t better.
Christ, the all time Celtics used to smoke cigarettes at halftime. That doesn't mean you'd knock Bill Russell out of the Top 50.
Pistol Pete was this shit. Ginobili...GTFO with that shit. C'mon, man. You're being obtuse.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2854727-bleacher-reports-all-time-player-rankings-nbas-top-50-revealed.amp.html -
Ginobili
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Did you ever watch him play before he played LeBron and the Heat in the Finals? He was really good. 37 is high, but he was a 25 a game guy if he played for other teams.RaceBannon said:Ginobili
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You mean like Oscar Robertson not winning a title until his twilight with the Bucks?RoadDawg55 said:Pistol Pete played on two winning teams his whole career and one was the Celtics in his last season, which doesn’t even count.
Or Jerry West not winning one until his last couple seasons with the Bucks when he finally got a big man?
Elgin Baylor never winning a title?
Hot take, Roadie. Jason Kidd's 1 title is so impressive by that standard. Stockton none.
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Oscar put up big numbers. Jerry West made a ton of finals. Kidd and Stockton were better for a longer time. Kidd took a historically horrible Nets team to two straight NBA finals. He won a MVP because they improved so much with him.PurpleThrobber said:
You mean like Oscar Robertson not winning a title until his twilight with the Bucks?RoadDawg55 said:Pistol Pete played on two winning teams his whole career and one was the Celtics in his last season, which doesn’t even count.
Or Jerry West not winning one until his last couple seasons with the Bucks when he finally got a big man?
Elgin Baylor never winning a title?
Hot take, Roadie. Jason Kidd's 1 title is so impressive by that standard. Stockton none.
All of these guys at least won consistently. Pete did not. If you can’t see the difference, I can’t help you.
We haven’t even gotten to Payton, who is also much better. Iverson too. David Robinson is an easy call. Fuck add Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter. -
Jerry West in the 21st century would have been savaged
Lebron is 3 and 6 in the finals and gets ripped
West was 1 and 8. But he lost most of them to Russell
Lebron lost 2 to the Spurs. But is also beat them which nobody else did
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Again - you simply refuse to concede the older guys wouldn't have adapted or been as skilled as the newer guys - or that back in the 60's and 70's, Tracy McGrady would have been known as Connie Hawkins.RoadDawg55 said:
Oscar put up big numbers. Jerry West made a ton of finals. Kidd and Stockton were better for a longer time. Kidd took a historically horrible Nets team to two straight NBA finals. He won a MVP because they improved so much with him.PurpleThrobber said:
You mean like Oscar Robertson not winning a title until his twilight with the Bucks?RoadDawg55 said:Pistol Pete played on two winning teams his whole career and one was the Celtics in his last season, which doesn’t even count.
Or Jerry West not winning one until his last couple seasons with the Bucks when he finally got a big man?
Elgin Baylor never winning a title?
Hot take, Roadie. Jason Kidd's 1 title is so impressive by that standard. Stockton none.
All of these guys at least won consistently. Pete did not. If you can’t see the difference, I can’t help you.
We haven’t even gotten to Payton, who is also much better. Iverson too. David Robinson is an easy call. Fuck add Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter.
There was no free agency until Tom Chambers broke the barrier in 1988. If someone was on a bad team, they were pretty well stuck until the got traded. The variables of 'but but his team sucked' aren't the same as they are today. Not even close. No salary cap, no dumping players to a contender for cap space. Not the same at all.
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Edit on re-read: West obviously played for the Lakers his entire career. Intertwined two thoughts in that sentence. Old man mulligan.PurpleThrobber said:
You mean like Oscar Robertson not winning a title until his twilight with the Bucks?RoadDawg55 said:Pistol Pete played on two winning teams his whole career and one was the Celtics in his last season, which doesn’t even count.
Or Jerry West not winning one until his last couple seasons with theBucksLakers when he finally got a big man?
Elgin Baylor never winning a title?
Hot take, Roadie. Jason Kidd's 1 title is so impressive by that standard. Stockton none.
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Wilt played for the Warriors, Sixers, and Lakers.
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All of that is true. You’re still massively overrating Pete Maravich. Top 50 players win a lot more than he did.PurpleThrobber said:
Again - you simply refuse to concede the older guys wouldn't have adapted or been as skilled as the newer guys - or that back in the 60's and 70's, Tracy McGrady would have been known as Connie Hawkins.RoadDawg55 said:
Oscar put up big numbers. Jerry West made a ton of finals. Kidd and Stockton were better for a longer time. Kidd took a historically horrible Nets team to two straight NBA finals. He won a MVP because they improved so much with him.PurpleThrobber said:
You mean like Oscar Robertson not winning a title until his twilight with the Bucks?RoadDawg55 said:Pistol Pete played on two winning teams his whole career and one was the Celtics in his last season, which doesn’t even count.
Or Jerry West not winning one until his last couple seasons with the Bucks when he finally got a big man?
Elgin Baylor never winning a title?
Hot take, Roadie. Jason Kidd's 1 title is so impressive by that standard. Stockton none.
All of these guys at least won consistently. Pete did not. If you can’t see the difference, I can’t help you.
We haven’t even gotten to Payton, who is also much better. Iverson too. David Robinson is an easy call. Fuck add Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter.
There was no free agency until Tom Chambers broke the barrier in 1988. If someone was on a bad team, they were pretty well stuck until the got traded. The variables of 'but but his team sucked' aren't the same as they are today. Not even close. No salary cap, no dumping players to a contender for cap space. Not the same at all.
You are acting like I’m saying all the old players sucked. I don’t think that at all. I do think they are better now and it’s easier to judge as well, but I’m not saying Wilt isn’t a top 10 player because he didn’t win a ton of titles. Same for Jerry West. There are definitely some greats from that era and Pete playing with no three point line does hurt him.
