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Pistol Pete and the Trojans

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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,386 Standard Supporter
    edited April 2020
    PurpleThrobber said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    When discussing the best players of all time, I like to ignore the past 24 years...

    GTFO with this weak old man shit.

    I said drop 6 or 7 out. Go ahead and toss whoever you want.

    Your reading comprehension used to be a lot better.

    There are a lot more than 6 or 7 guys since 1997 that belong. That’s crazy. Like Tommy said, 24 years is a long time.

    You can’t arguably say Pete Marinovich is better than Kawaii Leonard. He’s not better than Curry. Not better than Wade. He’s not even better than Westbrook, Paul, and Harden. Add Tony Parker to the list.

    Ones that certainly belong since that list: Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk, LeBron, Wade, Curry, Durant.

    Probably: Kidd, Leonard, Paul Pierce

    Next tier: Nash, Thompson, Westbrook, Paul, Ginobili, Parker, Payton, Ray Allen, Giannis (for now, but will end top 50 unless a career ending injury happens).

    Pete had more influence than many of these guys, but he wasn’t better.
    Pick 10 then. Make a new 50 list. You fail to account for how older players would adapt to new coaching, new strength training, new nutrition, new playing style. And conversely, you're not going to see Westbrook and Harden doing some of the shit they do these days back in, say, 1979. They just wouldn't. You have to account for the era in which they played.

    Christ, the all time Celtics used to smoke cigarettes at halftime. That doesn't mean you'd knock Bill Russell out of the Top 50.

    Pistol Pete was this shit. Ginobili...GTFO with that shit. C'mon, man. You're being obtuse.



    Ginobili won. Was the go to guy in the clutch for a portion of the Spurs run. One of the best International players of all time. He made a top 50 list I am reading right now at #37. That might be high but his NBA and International careers are way better than Pete’s regardless of era.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2854727-bleacher-reports-all-time-player-rankings-nbas-top-50-revealed.amp.html
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,479 Founders Club
    Ginobili

    Right

    JFC
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,386 Standard Supporter
    RaceBannon said:

    Ginobili

    Right

    JFC

    Did you ever watch him play before he played LeBron and the Heat in the Finals? He was really good. 37 is high, but he was a 25 a game guy if he played for other teams.
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,506 Standard Supporter
    edited April 2020
    RoadDawg55 said:

    Pistol Pete played on two winning teams his whole career and one was the Celtics in his last season, which doesn’t even count.

    You mean like Oscar Robertson not winning a title until his twilight with the Bucks?

    Or Jerry West not winning one until his last couple seasons with the Bucks when he finally got a big man?

    Elgin Baylor never winning a title?

    Hot take, Roadie. Jason Kidd's 1 title is so impressive by that standard. Stockton none.


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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,479 Founders Club
    Jerry West in the 21st century would have been savaged

    Lebron is 3 and 6 in the finals and gets ripped

    West was 1 and 8. But he lost most of them to Russell

    Lebron lost 2 to the Spurs. But is also beat them which nobody else did

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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,506 Standard Supporter
    RoadDawg55 said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Pistol Pete played on two winning teams his whole career and one was the Celtics in his last season, which doesn’t even count.

    You mean like Oscar Robertson not winning a title until his twilight with the Bucks?

    Or Jerry West not winning one until his last couple seasons with the Bucks when he finally got a big man?

    Elgin Baylor never winning a title?

    Hot take, Roadie. Jason Kidd's 1 title is so impressive by that standard. Stockton none.


    Oscar put up big numbers. Jerry West made a ton of finals. Kidd and Stockton were better for a longer time. Kidd took a historically horrible Nets team to two straight NBA finals. He won a MVP because they improved so much with him.

    All of these guys at least won consistently. Pete did not. If you can’t see the difference, I can’t help you.

    We haven’t even gotten to Payton, who is also much better. Iverson too. David Robinson is an easy call. Fuck add Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter.
    Again - you simply refuse to concede the older guys wouldn't have adapted or been as skilled as the newer guys - or that back in the 60's and 70's, Tracy McGrady would have been known as Connie Hawkins.

    There was no free agency until Tom Chambers broke the barrier in 1988. If someone was on a bad team, they were pretty well stuck until the got traded. The variables of 'but but his team sucked' aren't the same as they are today. Not even close. No salary cap, no dumping players to a contender for cap space. Not the same at all.



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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,506 Standard Supporter
    PurpleThrobber said:

    RoadDawg55 said:

    Pistol Pete played on two winning teams his whole career and one was the Celtics in his last season, which doesn’t even count.

    You mean like Oscar Robertson not winning a title until his twilight with the Bucks?

    Or Jerry West not winning one until his last couple seasons with the Bucks Lakers when he finally got a big man?

    Elgin Baylor never winning a title?

    Hot take, Roadie. Jason Kidd's 1 title is so impressive by that standard. Stockton none.


    Edit on re-read: West obviously played for the Lakers his entire career. Intertwined two thoughts in that sentence. Old man mulligan.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,479 Founders Club
    Wilt played for the Warriors, Sixers, and Lakers.
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