I don't have much of an opinion on Maravich. But George Gervin was an example of someone who scored tons while on lousy teams, and therefore was a ad overrated.
I don't have much of an opinion on Maravich. But George Gervin was an example of someone who scored tons while on lousy teams, and therefore was a ad overrated.
But he could finger roll.
Pete Maravich was voted in as one of the 50 Greatest NBA Players during their 50th Anniversary as selected by a boat of 'experts' including former players and coaches. You want to drop him off with a few players subsequent to 1996, go ahead -but there are somewhere between 6 and 10 players that need to GTFO before Pistol Pete. Check the voters. Pretty decent list of basketball playres, coaches and media voting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Greatest_Players_in_NBA_History
I'd probably drop Sam Jones, Hal Greer, Red Kerr, Dave DeBusschere, Dave Bing and Jerry Lucas before Pistol Pete - sub in Lebron, Kobe, Garnett, and a few more.
Gervin was one of the Top 50 of All Time, too.
Tommy and Roadie just be hating on whitey. And trolling. Or abundantly doing some whitey hating trolling.
When discussing the best players of all time, I like to ignore the past 24 years...
GTFO with this weak old man shit.
I said drop 6 or 7 out. Go ahead and toss whoever you want.
Your reading comprehension used to be a lot better.
There are a lot more than 6 or 7 guys since 1997 that belong. That’s crazy. Like Tommy said, 24 years is a long time.
You can’t arguably say Pete Marinovich is better than Kawaii Leonard. He’s not better than Curry. Not better than Wade. He’s not even better than Westbrook, Paul, and Harden. Add Tony Parker to the list.
Ones that certainly belong since that list: Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk, LeBron, Wade, Curry, Durant.
Probably: Kidd, Leonard, Paul Pierce
Next tier: Nash, Thompson, Westbrook, Paul, Ginobili, Parker, Payton, Ray Allen, Giannis (for now, but will end top 50 unless a career ending injury happens).
Pete had more influence than many of these guys, but he wasn’t better.
When discussing the best players of all time, I like to ignore the past 24 years...
GTFO with this weak old man shit.
I said drop 6 or 7 out. Go ahead and toss whoever you want.
Your reading comprehension used to be a lot better.
There are a lot more than 6 or 7 guys since 1997 that belong. That’s crazy. Like Tommy said, 24 years is a long time.
You can’t arguably say Pete Marinovich is better than Kawaii Leonard. He’s not better than Curry. Not better than Wade. He’s not even better than Westbrook, Paul, and Harden. Add Tony Parker to the list.
Ones that certainly belong since that list: Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk, LeBron, Wade, Curry, Durant.
Probably: Kidd, Leonard, Paul Pierce
Next tier: Nash, Thompson, Westbrook, Paul, Ginobili, Parker, Payton, Ray Allen, Giannis (for now, but will end top 50 unless a career ending injury happens).
Pete had more influence than many of these guys, but he wasn’t better.
Pick 10 then. Make a new 50 list. You fail to account for how older players would adapt to new coaching, new strength training, new nutrition, new playing style. And conversely, you're not going to see Westbrook and Harden doing some of the shit they do these days back in, say, 1979. They just wouldn't. You have to account for the era in which they played.
Christ, the all time Celtics used to smoke cigarettes at halftime. That doesn't mean you'd knock Bill Russell out of the Top 50.
Pistol Pete was this shit. Ginobili...GTFO with that shit. C'mon, man. You're being obtuse.
When discussing the best players of all time, I like to ignore the past 24 years...
GTFO with this weak old man shit.
I said drop 6 or 7 out. Go ahead and toss whoever you want.
Your reading comprehension used to be a lot better.
There are a lot more than 6 or 7 guys since 1997 that belong. That’s crazy. Like Tommy said, 24 years is a long time.
You can’t arguably say Pete Marinovich is better than Kawaii Leonard. He’s not better than Curry. Not better than Wade. He’s not even better than Westbrook, Paul, and Harden. Add Tony Parker to the list.
Ones that certainly belong since that list: Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk, LeBron, Wade, Curry, Durant.
Probably: Kidd, Leonard, Paul Pierce
Next tier: Nash, Thompson, Westbrook, Paul, Ginobili, Parker, Payton, Ray Allen, Giannis (for now, but will end top 50 unless a career ending injury happens).
Pete had more influence than many of these guys, but he wasn’t better.
Pick 10 then. Make a new 50 list. You fail to account for how older players would adapt to new coaching, new strength training, new nutrition, new playing style. And conversely, you're not going to see Westbrook and Harden doing some of the shit they do these days back in, say, 1979. They just wouldn't. You have to account for the era in which they played.
Christ, the all time Celtics used to smoke cigarettes at halftime. That doesn't mean you'd knock Bill Russell out of the Top 50.
Pistol Pete was this shit. Ginobili...GTFO with that shit. C'mon, man. You're being obtuse.
Winners win.
Pete didn't win shit.
I'm all in on the Larry Bird is an all time great and could play in any era argument. He got rings.
When discussing the best players of all time, I like to ignore the past 24 years...
GTFO with this weak old man shit.
I said drop 6 or 7 out. Go ahead and toss whoever you want.
Your reading comprehension used to be a lot better.
There are a lot more than 6 or 7 guys since 1997 that belong. That’s crazy. Like Tommy said, 24 years is a long time.
You can’t arguably say Pete Marinovich is better than Kawaii Leonard. He’s not better than Curry. Not better than Wade. He’s not even better than Westbrook, Paul, and Harden. Add Tony Parker to the list.
Ones that certainly belong since that list: Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk, LeBron, Wade, Curry, Durant.
Probably: Kidd, Leonard, Paul Pierce
Next tier: Nash, Thompson, Westbrook, Paul, Ginobili, Parker, Payton, Ray Allen, Giannis (for now, but will end top 50 unless a career ending injury happens).
Pete had more influence than many of these guys, but he wasn’t better.
Pick 10 then. Make a new 50 list. You fail to account for how older players would adapt to new coaching, new strength training, new nutrition, new playing style. And conversely, you're not going to see Westbrook and Harden doing some of the shit they do these days back in, say, 1979. They just wouldn't. You have to account for the era in which they played.
Christ, the all time Celtics used to smoke cigarettes at halftime. That doesn't mean you'd knock Bill Russell out of the Top 50.
Pistol Pete was this shit. Ginobili...GTFO with that shit. C'mon, man. You're being obtuse.
Ginobili won. Was the go to guy in the clutch for a portion of the Spurs run. One of the best International players of all time. He made a top 50 list I am reading right now at #37. That might be high but his NBA and International careers are way better than Pete’s regardless of era.
Did you ever watch him play before he played LeBron and the Heat in the Finals? He was really good. 37 is high, but he was a 25 a game guy if he played for other teams.
Pistol Pete played on two winning teams his whole career and one was the Celtics in his last season, which doesn’t even count.
You mean like Oscar Robertson not winning a title until his twilight with the Bucks?
Or Jerry West not winning one until his last couple seasons with the Bucks when he finally got a big man?
Elgin Baylor never winning a title?
Hot take, Roadie. Jason Kidd's 1 title is so impressive by that standard. Stockton none.
Oscar put up big numbers. Jerry West made a ton of finals. Kidd and Stockton were better for a longer time. Kidd took a historically horrible Nets team to two straight NBA finals. He won a MVP because they improved so much with him.
All of these guys at least won consistently. Pete did not. If you can’t see the difference, I can’t help you.
We haven’t even gotten to Payton, who is also much better. Iverson too. David Robinson is an easy call. Fuck add Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter.
Pistol Pete played on two winning teams his whole career and one was the Celtics in his last season, which doesn’t even count.
You mean like Oscar Robertson not winning a title until his twilight with the Bucks?
Or Jerry West not winning one until his last couple seasons with the Bucks when he finally got a big man?
Elgin Baylor never winning a title?
Hot take, Roadie. Jason Kidd's 1 title is so impressive by that standard. Stockton none.
Oscar put up big numbers. Jerry West made a ton of finals. Kidd and Stockton were better for a longer time. Kidd took a historically horrible Nets team to two straight NBA finals. He won a MVP because they improved so much with him.
All of these guys at least won consistently. Pete did not. If you can’t see the difference, I can’t help you.
We haven’t even gotten to Payton, who is also much better. Iverson too. David Robinson is an easy call. Fuck add Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter.
Again - you simply refuse to concede the older guys wouldn't have adapted or been as skilled as the newer guys - or that back in the 60's and 70's, Tracy McGrady would have been known as Connie Hawkins.
There was no free agency until Tom Chambers broke the barrier in 1988. If someone was on a bad team, they were pretty well stuck until the got traded. The variables of 'but but his team sucked' aren't the same as they are today. Not even close. No salary cap, no dumping players to a contender for cap space. Not the same at all.
Pistol Pete played on two winning teams his whole career and one was the Celtics in his last season, which doesn’t even count.
You mean like Oscar Robertson not winning a title until his twilight with the Bucks?
Or Jerry West not winning one until his last couple seasons with the Bucks when he finally got a big man?
Elgin Baylor never winning a title?
Hot take, Roadie. Jason Kidd's 1 title is so impressive by that standard. Stockton none.
Oscar put up big numbers. Jerry West made a ton of finals. Kidd and Stockton were better for a longer time. Kidd took a historically horrible Nets team to two straight NBA finals. He won a MVP because they improved so much with him.
All of these guys at least won consistently. Pete did not. If you can’t see the difference, I can’t help you.
We haven’t even gotten to Payton, who is also much better. Iverson too. David Robinson is an easy call. Fuck add Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter.
Again - you simply refuse to concede the older guys wouldn't have adapted or been as skilled as the newer guys - or that back in the 60's and 70's, Tracy McGrady would have been known as Connie Hawkins.
There was no free agency until Tom Chambers broke the barrier in 1988. If someone was on a bad team, they were pretty well stuck until the got traded. The variables of 'but but his team sucked' aren't the same as they are today. Not even close. No salary cap, no dumping players to a contender for cap space. Not the same at all.
All of that is true. You’re still massively overrating Pete Maravich. Top 50 players win a lot more than he did.
You are acting like I’m saying all the old players sucked. I don’t think that at all. I do think they are better now and it’s easier to judge as well, but I’m not saying Wilt isn’t a top 10 player because he didn’t win a ton of titles. Same for Jerry West. There are definitely some greats from that era and Pete playing with no three point line does hurt him.
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Pete Maravich was voted in as one of the 50 Greatest NBA Players during their 50th Anniversary as selected by a boat of 'experts' including former players and coaches. You want to drop him off with a few players subsequent to 1996, go ahead -but there are somewhere between 6 and 10 players that need to GTFO before Pistol Pete. Check the voters. Pretty decent list of basketball playres, coaches and media voting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Greatest_Players_in_NBA_History
I'd probably drop Sam Jones, Hal Greer, Red Kerr, Dave DeBusschere, Dave Bing and Jerry Lucas before Pistol Pete - sub in Lebron, Kobe, Garnett, and a few more.
Gervin was one of the Top 50 of All Time, too.
Tommy and Roadie just be hating on whitey. And trolling. Or abundantly doing some whitey hating trolling.
Another whitey hating troll.
The NBA in the 70's and 80's was WWE wrestling. Hand checking was legal, for christ sake.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=1970s+nba+fights&FORM=HDRSC3
Go
fuckfind them yourself.can we post the “sounds like you care” meme if its unironic
GTFO with this weak old man shit.
Your reading comprehension used to be a lot better.
You can’t arguably say Pete Marinovich is better than Kawaii Leonard. He’s not better than Curry. Not better than Wade. He’s not even better than Westbrook, Paul, and Harden. Add Tony Parker to the list.
Ones that certainly belong since that list: Duncan, Kobe, KG, Dirk, LeBron, Wade, Curry, Durant.
Probably: Kidd, Leonard, Paul Pierce
Next tier: Nash, Thompson, Westbrook, Paul, Ginobili, Parker, Payton, Ray Allen, Giannis (for now, but will end top 50 unless a career ending injury happens).
Pete had more influence than many of these guys, but he wasn’t better.
Christ, the all time Celtics used to smoke cigarettes at halftime. That doesn't mean you'd knock Bill Russell out of the Top 50.
Pistol Pete was this shit. Ginobili...GTFO with that shit. C'mon, man. You're being obtuse.
Pete didn't win shit.
I'm all in on the Larry Bird is an all time great and could play in any era argument. He got rings.
Petey? Notsomuch.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2854727-bleacher-reports-all-time-player-rankings-nbas-top-50-revealed.amp.html
Right
JFC
Or Jerry West not winning one until his last couple seasons with the Bucks when he finally got a big man?
Elgin Baylor never winning a title?
Hot take, Roadie. Jason Kidd's 1 title is so impressive by that standard. Stockton none.
All of these guys at least won consistently. Pete did not. If you can’t see the difference, I can’t help you.
We haven’t even gotten to Payton, who is also much better. Iverson too. David Robinson is an easy call. Fuck add Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter.
Lebron is 3 and 6 in the finals and gets ripped
West was 1 and 8. But he lost most of them to Russell
Lebron lost 2 to the Spurs. But is also beat them which nobody else did
There was no free agency until Tom Chambers broke the barrier in 1988. If someone was on a bad team, they were pretty well stuck until the got traded. The variables of 'but but his team sucked' aren't the same as they are today. Not even close. No salary cap, no dumping players to a contender for cap space. Not the same at all.
You are acting like I’m saying all the old players sucked. I don’t think that at all. I do think they are better now and it’s easier to judge as well, but I’m not saying Wilt isn’t a top 10 player because he didn’t win a ton of titles. Same for Jerry West. There are definitely some greats from that era and Pete playing with no three point line does hurt him.