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Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60
DerekJohnson
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Bernie and AOC must be impressed with Italy having the medical care that they want to implement here
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Death panels
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Triage. Not a new idea.
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I was hoping there would be a link to Jdate there.
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I'm sure politicians over 60 are being treated...HHusky said:Triage. Not a new idea.
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Of course. They are vital. To making sure taxes are paid. We?re not running a telethon here.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm sure politicians over 60 are being treated...HHusky said:Triage. Not a new idea.
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Triage is allocating scarce resources based on the odds of survival. Sorry old boy. We all have to go sometime.Sledog said: -
Awesome. Sometimes the connected people do better in life. Have you called the newspapers?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm sure politicians over 60 are being treated...HHusky said:Triage. Not a new idea.
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Not good news for me. My house has never been cleaner.
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Triage is cutting the brake lines of a tour bus transporting attorneys through the mountains.HHusky said:
I'm not 60. -
Glad to live in a system where nepotism isn't the sole decider for who is "triage" and who isn't.HHusky said:
Awesome. Sometimes the connected people do better in life. Have you called the newspapers?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm sure politicians over 60 are being treated...HHusky said:Triage. Not a new idea.
Meanwhile, scarce resources do have to be allocated. -
Ahh yes. When socialized medicine fails those it brags that it protects, you always get rats with the same old worn out line "we all have to go sometime".HHusky said:
Never mind those that are 60 are going to live another quarter century. To rats it is their socialized medicine or nothing. Rats like HH truly don't believe they will ever go without healthcare no matter what age. They truly believe they are the elites and dying at a relatively young age is for the little people. -
So death panels...HHusky said: -
Exactly what Sarah Palin said... glad you're finally in agreementHHusky said:
Awesome. Sometimes the connected people do better in life. Have you called the newspapers?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm sure politicians over 60 are being treated...HHusky said:Triage. Not a new idea.
Meanwhile, scarce resources do have to be allocated. -
We’ve had death panels for decades and we’ll continue to have death panels. That is not a point in contention.MikeDamone said: -
I guess there was once some golden age of American medicine when everyone lived till 85. When was that?Bendintheriver said:
Ahh yes. When socialized medicine fails those it brags that it protects, you always get rats with the same old worn out line "we all have to go sometime".HHusky said:
Never mind those that are 60 are going to live another quarter century. To rats it is their socialized medicine or nothing. Rats like HH truly don't believe they will ever go without healthcare no matter what age. They truly believe they are the elites and dying at a relatively young age is for the little people. -
I suppose we could auction the ventilators off. Working age people with kids shouldn’t be preferred, obviously.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Glad to live in a system where nepotism isn't the sole decider for who is "triage" and who isn't.HHusky said:
Awesome. Sometimes the connected people do better in life. Have you called the newspapers?UW_Doog_Bot said:
I'm sure politicians over 60 are being treated...HHusky said:Triage. Not a new idea.
Meanwhile, scarce resources do have to be allocated. -
The average age of life expectancy in Italy is 83.4 years. If my rounding up to 85 is a win for you in this argument I think everyone else can understand my point. Socialists determining that 60 year olds who will on average live another 23.33 years will die due to lack of care or caring is very soylent greenish and liberal elitist. It means your socialist healthcare nirvana has failed at its very roots.HHusky said:
I guess there was once some golden age of American medicine when everyone lived till 85. When was that?Bendintheriver said:
Ahh yes. When socialized medicine fails those it brags that it protects, you always get rats with the same old worn out line "we all have to go sometime".HHusky said:
Never mind those that are 60 are going to live another quarter century. To rats it is their socialized medicine or nothing. Rats like HH truly don't believe they will ever go without healthcare no matter what age. They truly believe they are the elites and dying at a relatively young age is for the little people. -
Italy's problem is they don't have sufficient care facilities. Their # of ICUs per capita is half of the US.Bendintheriver said:
The average age of life expectancy in Italy is 83.4 years. If my rounding up to 85 is a win for you in this argument I think everyone else can understand my point. Socialists determining that 60 year olds who will on average live another 23.33 years will die due to lack of care or caring is very soylent greenish and liberal elitist. It means your socialist healthcare nirvana has failed at its very roots.HHusky said:
I guess there was once some golden age of American medicine when everyone lived till 85. When was that?Bendintheriver said:
Ahh yes. When socialized medicine fails those it brags that it protects, you always get rats with the same old worn out line "we all have to go sometime".HHusky said:
Never mind those that are 60 are going to live another quarter century. To rats it is their socialized medicine or nothing. Rats like HH truly don't believe they will ever go without healthcare no matter what age. They truly believe they are the elites and dying at a relatively young age is for the little people.
You drive the Yugo health system, shouldn't be surprised when you have to buy a new one every couple years.
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You guys are delusional if you don't think those same choices aren't about to be decided here.
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Now.HHusky said:
I guess there was once some golden age of American medicine when everyone lived till 85. When was that?Bendintheriver said:
Ahh yes. When socialized medicine fails those it brags that it protects, you always get rats with the same old worn out line "we all have to go sometime".HHusky said:
Never mind those that are 60 are going to live another quarter century. To rats it is their socialized medicine or nothing. Rats like HH truly don't believe they will ever go without healthcare no matter what age. They truly believe they are the elites and dying at a relatively young age is for the little people. -
To some degree, the US healthcare system needs to address this end of life stuff irregardless*. Horrific amount of resources are spent in the last days of life. We don't do death well in this country at all.UWhuskytskeet said:You guys are delusional if you don't think those same choices aren't about to be decided here.
I spent some time yesterday chatting with my neighbor who is an ER doc (at an appropriate distance). His hospital isn't extremely stressed at this point but he has seen a rise in the 'sniffles' kind of patients. Fortunately, he also said the off-site testing facilities in the region have also probably sheltered them a bit otherwise he'd have expected a full-on blitz on the ER with every Tom, Dick and Harry with a cold. In this area, 93% of the people tested are coming back negative - which just means the symptoms are pretty similar to cold/flu season.
That led to our discussion of end of life philosophy in US medicine. He was pretty clinical and said once a person is into their mid-80's, if they are in the hospital, they are pretty well gonna die. He says the staff can predict with relative certainty on who is going to die the minute they walk in. From a personal standpoint, he is conflicted as far as providing treatment to prolong life at the family's wishes and what is actually best for the patient in terms of suffering.
Maybe the whole COVID thing will cause a thorough examination of our medical system, prioritization of needs and some other reforms/re-thinking that needs to take place. Maybe, just maybe, the sheeple will also wake the fuck up to the scam being perpetrated on them by their 'leaders' and vote them the fuck out.
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I say we dispose of the attorneys first.
Say any of them over 21?
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When you run out of ventilators, someone who needs a ventilator dies. It’s true everywhere on earth. Which part of that confuses you?Bendintheriver said:
The average age of life expectancy in Italy is 83.4 years. If my rounding up to 85 is a win for you in this argument I think everyone else can understand my point. Socialists determining that 60 year olds who will on average live another 23.33 years will die due to lack of care or caring is very soylent greenish and liberal elitist. It means your socialist healthcare nirvana has failed at its very roots.HHusky said:
I guess there was once some golden age of American medicine when everyone lived till 85. When was that?Bendintheriver said:
Ahh yes. When socialized medicine fails those it brags that it protects, you always get rats with the same old worn out line "we all have to go sometime".HHusky said:
Never mind those that are 60 are going to live another quarter century. To rats it is their socialized medicine or nothing. Rats like HH truly don't believe they will ever go without healthcare no matter what age. They truly believe they are the elites and dying at a relatively young age is for the little people. -
How come we never run out of attorneys?HHusky said:
When you run out of ventilators, someone who needs a ventilator dies. It’s true everywhere on earth. Which part of that confuses you?Bendintheriver said:
The average age of life expectancy in Italy is 83.4 years. If my rounding up to 85 is a win for you in this argument I think everyone else can understand my point. Socialists determining that 60 year olds who will on average live another 23.33 years will die due to lack of care or caring is very soylent greenish and liberal elitist. It means your socialist healthcare nirvana has failed at its very roots.HHusky said:
I guess there was once some golden age of American medicine when everyone lived till 85. When was that?Bendintheriver said:
Ahh yes. When socialized medicine fails those it brags that it protects, you always get rats with the same old worn out line "we all have to go sometime".HHusky said:
Never mind those that are 60 are going to live another quarter century. To rats it is their socialized medicine or nothing. Rats like HH truly don't believe they will ever go without healthcare no matter what age. They truly believe they are the elites and dying at a relatively young age is for the little people. -
HHusky said:
WA State recovers umpteen millions per year in end-of-life Medicaid costs incurred by elderly dying patients by putting a Medicaid Lien on the deceased's primary residence. Obamacare boosted the State's rights and power to do so. So if you want your kids to get the house, you better start giving it away tax-free each year in your 50s and shelter the fuck out of your wealth.PurpleThrobber said:
To some degree, the US healthcare system needs to address this end of life stuff irregardless*. Horrific amount of resources are spent in the last days of life. We don't do death well in this country at all.UWhuskytskeet said:You guys are delusional if you don't think those same choices aren't about to be decided here.
I spent some time yesterday chatting with my neighbor who is an ER doc (at an appropriate distance). His hospital isn't extremely stressed at this point but he has seen a rise in the 'sniffles' kind of patients. Fortunately, he also said the off-site testing facilities in the region have also probably sheltered them a bit otherwise he'd have expected a full-on blitz on the ER with every Tom, Dick and Harry with a cold. In this area, 93% of the people tested are coming back negative - which just means the symptoms are pretty similar to cold/flu season.
That led to our discussion of end of life philosophy in US medicine. He was pretty clinical and said once a person is into their mid-80's, if they are in the hospital, they are pretty well gonna die. He says the staff can predict with relative certainty on who is going to die the minute they walk in. From a personal standpoint, he is conflicted as far as providing treatment to prolong life at the family's wishes and what is actually best for the patient in terms of suffering.
Maybe the whole COVID thing will cause a thorough examination of our medical system, prioritization of needs and some other reforms/re-thinking that needs to take place. Maybe, just maybe, the sheeple will also wake the fuck up to the scam being perpetrated on them by their 'leaders' and vote them the fuck out. -
HHusky said:
When you run out of ventilators, someone who needs a ventilator dies. It’s true everywhere on earth. Which part of that confuses you?Bendintheriver said:
The average age of life expectancy in Italy is 83.4 years. If my rounding up to 85 is a win for you in this argument I think everyone else can understand my point. Socialists determining that 60 year olds who will on average live another 23.33 years will die due to lack of care or caring is very soylent greenish and liberal elitist. It means your socialist healthcare nirvana has failed at its very roots.HHusky said:
I guess there was once some golden age of American medicine when everyone lived till 85. When was that?Bendintheriver said:
Ahh yes. When socialized medicine fails those it brags that it protects, you always get rats with the same old worn out line "we all have to go sometime".HHusky said:
Never mind those that are 60 are going to live another quarter century. To rats it is their socialized medicine or nothing. Rats like HH truly don't believe they will ever go without healthcare no matter what age. They truly believe they are the elites and dying at a relatively young age is for the little people.
Some men look at these situations and say "Let's Build More Ventilators."
Other ineffectual resentful types, like yourself, relish the doomsday scenarios, because Schadenfreude is all you have. -
We are manufacturing more ventilators. That doesn’t make the supply of ventilators infinite. Did you graduate college?TurdBomber said:HHusky said:
When you run out of ventilators, someone who needs a ventilator dies. It’s true everywhere on earth. Which part of that confuses you?Bendintheriver said:
The average age of life expectancy in Italy is 83.4 years. If my rounding up to 85 is a win for you in this argument I think everyone else can understand my point. Socialists determining that 60 year olds who will on average live another 23.33 years will die due to lack of care or caring is very soylent greenish and liberal elitist. It means your socialist healthcare nirvana has failed at its very roots.HHusky said:
I guess there was once some golden age of American medicine when everyone lived till 85. When was that?Bendintheriver said:
Ahh yes. When socialized medicine fails those it brags that it protects, you always get rats with the same old worn out line "we all have to go sometime".HHusky said:
Never mind those that are 60 are going to live another quarter century. To rats it is their socialized medicine or nothing. Rats like HH truly don't believe they will ever go without healthcare no matter what age. They truly believe they are the elites and dying at a relatively young age is for the little people.
Some men look at these situations and say "Let's Build More Ventilators."
Other ineffectual resentful types, like yourself, relish the doomsday scenarios, because Schadenfreude is all you have.
