Pac12 opener game thread

LongDukDong said:

This team is bad, real bad. I’m predicting a bottom third finish in the league. I’m starting to think our victories OOC were due to the fact people hadn’t caught on to Stewart. Double him and we can’t do anything. Shit team, shit offense, shitty coaching

dnc said:

LongDukDong said:

This team is bad, real bad. I’m predicting a bottom third finish in the league. I’m starting to think our victories OOC were due to the fact people hadn’t caught on to Stewart. Double him and we can’t do anything. Shit team, shit offense, shitty coaching

They're going to make the tourney.

They're not especially good though.

RaceBannon said:

ThomasFremont said:

BleachedAnusDawg said:

ThomasFremont said:

PurpleThrobber said:

Houhusky said:

bananasnblondes said:

A world could exist where we would have been better off if McDaniels had chosen Kentucky. He looks like he doesnt want to be playing basketball and shows it by his play. I think theres a small chance he quits the team before the end of the season.

As I remember, Oregon had a guy a few years ago who was a 5* all american who had the same issues and either quit or got kicked off the team halfway through the season and they were better off for it.

As a final note, @btp is a fucking idiot

I dont know if the team would be better or worse without... (maybe the fact that I cant definitively say means they would be better without him) But I do know that the suffocating Hop zone defense requires complete tryhard buyin and for everyone to be on the same page.

There is a bit more soft pussy finesse faggotry on the team than in the past few years. Mcdaniels contributes to that, but its not solely his fault. Would be nice if the team had a IT to punk Mcdaniels, Brockman to break his eye socket with a bow in practice, or Venoy to pimp him out at the jack in the box to wake him up... Or maybe Hop or Dollar can stop tiptoeing around him.

The team does play significantly better defense when McDaniels isnt on the floor and Mcdaniels/Wright are giving up an absurd amount of offensive rebounds.

HoustonHusky said:

Shoutout to McDaniels...he just isn’t that good and doesn’t appear to have the attitude to want to get there. Get through the season and get drafted...cash in before everyone else figures it out.

They’ve already figured it out.

Kid should go somewhere and get coached up. He didn’t get any from Jerome Collins or his AAU leaches and he’s not getting developed by Hop & Co.

If he had any adult supervision, they’d tell him to transfer to Gonzaga, sit out a year learning the game and come back as a beast in two years.

So many great Zags in the NBA...

Name, position, height, weight, league, team, games played, points, rebounds, assists. Sabonis has become a good player. Hachimura doing well as a rookie. Clarke is solid. Not a big discrepancy between the schools.

GONZAGA
Brandon Clarke PF 6-8 210 NBA Grizzlies 31 12.58 5.61 1.35
Zach Collins C 7-0 235 NBA Trail Blazers 3 9.00 4.00 2.00
Rui Hachimura F 6-8 230 NBA Wizards 25 13.92 5.80 1.60
Kelly Olynyk C 7-0 240 NBA Heat 35 7.71 4.54 1.20
Domas Sabonis PF 6-11 240 NBA Pacers 35 17.77 13.03 4.20
Nigel Williams-Goss SG 6-3 190 NBA Jazz 8 0.25 0.50 0.50

WASHINGTON
Marquese Chriss PF 6-10 230 Warriors 37 7.35 5.43 1.89
Markelle Fultz PG 6-4 200 Magic 36 11.42 2.97 4.42
Justin Holiday SF 6-6 181 Pacers 37 7.70 3.43 1.43
Dejounte Murray SG 6-5 175 Spurs 31 10.48 5.81 4.13
Jaylen Nowell SG 6-4 202 Timberwolves 7 4.43 0.71 0.86
Terrence Ross SF 6-7 206 Magic 35 13.40 2.80 0.89
Isaiah Thomas PG 5-9 185 Wizards 27 13.00 1.52 4.26
Matisse Thybulle SF 6-5 200 Sixers 30 4.83 1.07 1.23

So quantity AND quality obviously in UW’s favor. Dig deeper and do the entire history and the discrepancy is even more obvious.

Gonzaga is the Boise fucking St of b-ball. At their height, they win 1-2 preseason games against real competition, win their bullshit league, everyone sucks their dick, they lose early in the tourney. Like 2-3 good runs in the tourney and people think they’re Duke.

There’s a reason hardly any high profile recruits outside of the region go to Gonzaga. Small town shit hole that plays the majority of its games against even smaller town shit holes.

Then they go pro and flame out. Or don’t even make it.

They’re a good college program with more success than UW, but nobody is trying to go there. Most of their best players are transfers and international players.

It’s almost like playing against WCC competition for 90% of your college career doesn’t prepare you that well for the league.

Who could have predicted this???

I read this thinking that its a good thing @creepycoug isn't a zaggot

RoadDawg55 said:

ThomasFremont said:

BleachedAnusDawg said:

ThomasFremont said:

PurpleThrobber said:

Houhusky said:

bananasnblondes said:

A world could exist where we would have been better off if McDaniels had chosen Kentucky. He looks like he doesnt want to be playing basketball and shows it by his play. I think theres a small chance he quits the team before the end of the season.

As I remember, Oregon had a guy a few years ago who was a 5* all american who had the same issues and either quit or got kicked off the team halfway through the season and they were better off for it.

As a final note, @btp is a fucking idiot

I dont know if the team would be better or worse without... (maybe the fact that I cant definitively say means they would be better without him) But I do know that the suffocating Hop zone defense requires complete tryhard buyin and for everyone to be on the same page.

There is a bit more soft pussy finesse faggotry on the team than in the past few years. Mcdaniels contributes to that, but its not solely his fault. Would be nice if the team had a IT to punk Mcdaniels, Brockman to break his eye socket with a bow in practice, or Venoy to pimp him out at the jack in the box to wake him up... Or maybe Hop or Dollar can stop tiptoeing around him.

The team does play significantly better defense when McDaniels isnt on the floor and Mcdaniels/Wright are giving up an absurd amount of offensive rebounds.

HoustonHusky said:

Shoutout to McDaniels...he just isn’t that good and doesn’t appear to have the attitude to want to get there. Get through the season and get drafted...cash in before everyone else figures it out.

They’ve already figured it out.

Kid should go somewhere and get coached up. He didn’t get any from Jerome Collins or his AAU leaches and he’s not getting developed by Hop & Co.

If he had any adult supervision, they’d tell him to transfer to Gonzaga, sit out a year learning the game and come back as a beast in two years.

So many great Zags in the NBA...

Name, position, height, weight, league, team, games played, points, rebounds, assists. Sabonis has become a good player. Hachimura doing well as a rookie. Clarke is solid. Not a big discrepancy between the schools.

GONZAGA
Brandon Clarke PF 6-8 210 NBA Grizzlies 31 12.58 5.61 1.35
Zach Collins C 7-0 235 NBA Trail Blazers 3 9.00 4.00 2.00
Rui Hachimura F 6-8 230 NBA Wizards 25 13.92 5.80 1.60
Kelly Olynyk C 7-0 240 NBA Heat 35 7.71 4.54 1.20
Domas Sabonis PF 6-11 240 NBA Pacers 35 17.77 13.03 4.20
Nigel Williams-Goss SG 6-3 190 NBA Jazz 8 0.25 0.50 0.50

WASHINGTON
Marquese Chriss PF 6-10 230 Warriors 37 7.35 5.43 1.89
Markelle Fultz PG 6-4 200 Magic 36 11.42 2.97 4.42
Justin Holiday SF 6-6 181 Pacers 37 7.70 3.43 1.43
Dejounte Murray SG 6-5 175 Spurs 31 10.48 5.81 4.13
Jaylen Nowell SG 6-4 202 Timberwolves 7 4.43 0.71 0.86
Terrence Ross SF 6-7 206 Magic 35 13.40 2.80 0.89
Isaiah Thomas PG 5-9 185 Wizards 27 13.00 1.52 4.26
Matisse Thybulle SF 6-5 200 Sixers 30 4.83 1.07 1.23

So quantity AND quality obviously in UW’s favor. Dig deeper and do the entire history and the discrepancy is even more obvious.

Gonzaga is the Boise fucking St of b-ball. At their height, they win 1-2 preseason games against real competition, win their bullshit league, everyone sucks their dick, they lose early in the tourney. Like 2-3 good runs in the tourney and people think they’re Duke.

There’s a reason hardly any high profile recruits outside of the region go to Gonzaga. Small town shit hole that plays the majority of its games against even smaller town shit holes.

Then they go pro and flame out. Or don’t even make it.

They’re a good college program with more success than UW, but nobody is trying to go there. Most of their best players are transfers and international players.

It’s almost like playing against WCC competition for 90% of your college career doesn’t prepare you that well for the league.

Who could have predicted this???

Kind of doogish Freeme. They made the title game. They have been good for years and have leveled up to become a perennial contender. Would anyone be shocked if they won a title? It’s hard so they probably won’t, but they will make another Final 4 or two in the next 5-10 years.

We would kill to have their success. I know you’re talking more about the NBA, but outside of Duke and Kentucky, nobody really has more than two alumni that are All-Stars.

Kansas has Embiid. Michigan State has Draymond Green. Villanova has Kyle Lowry, who came before their real peak. Virginia has no All Stars I can think of. Neither does North Carolina. Michigan, Louisville, etc.

dnc said:

Miley_Cyrus said:

Gonzaga would be top 3 of the pac 12 every year and win it a good chunk of the time. If you think otherwise you’re probably not watching their games. Few’s teams are fucking legit, especially on offense.

Their downfall most years is their defense isn’t the elite and they get softened up in the WCC, which is well documented.

I agree they'd be top 3 every year. That's a much different claim than "the WCC has been as good or better than the Pac recently" which means they'd easily win the Pac annually.

They wouldn't.

They'd still be very good though.