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1st president ever. Would have thought W would have hit one. As I recall he was quite religious.
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Who would have thought that the 3 times married, philanderer and former Democrat would be the first President to show up in person. Reagan didn't do it, neither did either Bush.RaceBannon said:1st president ever. Would have thought W would have hit one. As I recall he was quite religious.
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SFGbob said:
Who would have thought that the 3 times married, philanderer and former Democrat would be the first President to show up in person. Reagan didn't do it, neither did either Bush.RaceBannon said:1st president ever. Would have thought W would have hit one. As I recall he was quite religious.
Trump be walkin' into the Senate chambers all like and Ivanka/Melania trailing behind making it rain hundies.
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There are many atheists who oppose abortion. It's not only a religious issue.RaceBannon said:1st president ever. Would have thought W would have hit one. As I recall he was quite religious.
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I would say this is a misstep, but what do I know.
Abortion is not a hill to die on. Keep it to the first trimester and be done.
Edit: To be clear it's a non issue to me, a lot of wasted energy and I do feel politically the people that love this love Trump anyway. -
Agree. Its been largely secular in the pastMikeDamone said:
There are many atheists who oppose abortion. It's not only a religious issue.RaceBannon said:1st president ever. Would have thought W would have hit one. As I recall he was quite religious.
Franklin Graham is attending for the first time -
Also agree as public policyDoogles said:I would say this is a misstep, but what do I know.
Abortion is not a hill to die on. Keep it to the first trimester and be done.
Edit: To be clear it's a non issue to me, a lot of wasted energy and I do feel politically the people that love this love Trump anyway.
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You are correct, this is not just a religious issue. They have a lobbying group that speaks for them in Congress. I attended a glad handing event in the Rotunda that was put on by this group and the people who attended the March for Life event were surprisingly very, very diverse. Many democrats too. It is an interesting group. People just think it is a bunch of religious zealots and that perspective is totally wrong.MikeDamone said:
There are many atheists who oppose abortion. It's not only a religious issue.RaceBannon said:1st president ever. Would have thought W would have hit one. As I recall he was quite religious.
Past Presidents have spoken via phone. Many Congressional members have spoken in person in the past. Just my opinion but it is pretty wimpy for past Presidents to be too afraid of photo ops to attend in person but did so over a telephone. -
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I hate it when Liberals push their personal values that take away our freedoms.
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Of course, none of us can ever really know anyone's mind. And I'm not acquainted with either Trump or the Bushes, although I'm professionally acquainted with someone who is, or at least at one tim was, close to W.RaceBannon said:1st president ever. Would have thought W would have hit one. As I recall he was quite religious.
With all that said, all I've ever read or heard about W is that he took to religion quite naturally, reflecting the fundamental difference between growing up in Texas and growing up in Connecticut. It's often discussed in the context of political elect-ability in Texas, where HW failed and W excelled. After W married the librarian and got his shit together, he joined his wife's Methodist church and never looked back, leaving behind the political liabilities of Phillips-Exeter, Yale and his father's New England sensibility of keeping their Protestant faith - about which they were quite serious - relatively private. Others say he embraced the Texas Christian Evangelical community solely for political purposes. Either way, it worked.
Trump ... what can I say? There is enough in his family background to suggest that some degree of deference to the religious order is plausible. Still, somehow I don't buy as genuine any real or sincere connection between Donnie and the true believers. I would guess it's much more likely to be a lot of good, and smart, posturing. Either way, he once again does the smart thing and shows the importance of figuring out what team you're on and playing for them ... and only for them.
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Yeah. Some oppose it because they believe that the baby has rights as an individual under natural, civil and criminal law.RaceBannon said:
Agree. Its been largely secular in the pastMikeDamone said:
There are many atheists who oppose abortion. It's not only a religious issue.RaceBannon said:1st president ever. Would have thought W would have hit one. As I recall he was quite religious.
Franklin Graham is attending for the first time
Many times we see people charged with murder doe the death of an unborn baby. -
Have to say I have had a different experience. I don't know many, or really any, atheists or agnostics who are militantly opposed to it. On the other hand, I don't know many people who are completely indifferent either ... a healthy number find it to be an undesirable way to deal with unwanted pregnancy, but those people never line up and don't seem to vote on this issue.RaceBannon said:
Agree. Its been largely secular in the pastMikeDamone said:
There are many atheists who oppose abortion. It's not only a religious issue.RaceBannon said:1st president ever. Would have thought W would have hit one. As I recall he was quite religious.
Franklin Graham is attending for the first time
Almost every person I've known who has a big problem with it are informed by a religious view of some kind. -
Abortion is one of those things like drugs and guns. If you make it illegal, people will still get it done. And now you are making young women criminals that otherwise wouldn't be.creepycoug said:
Have to say I have had a different experience. I don't know many, or really any, atheists or agnostics who are militantly opposed to it. On the other hand, I don't know many people who are completely indifferent either ... a healthy number find it to be an undesirable way to deal with unwanted pregnancy, but those people never line up and don't seem to vote on this issue.RaceBannon said:
Agree. Its been largely secular in the pastMikeDamone said:
There are many atheists who oppose abortion. It's not only a religious issue.RaceBannon said:1st president ever. Would have thought W would have hit one. As I recall he was quite religious.
Franklin Graham is attending for the first time
Almost every person I've known who has a big problem with it are informed by a religious view of some kind. -
Dissatisfaction With U.S. Abortion Laws at New High
https://news.gallup.com/poll/283916/dissatisfaction-abortion-laws-new-high.aspx -
What a bunch of ignorant bloviating here by pro abortionists.
New Poll: Majority of Americans Would Vote for a Candidate Who Supports Abortion Restrictions
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/new-poll-majority-of-americans-would-vote-for-a-candidate-who-supports-abortion-restrictions/ -
There are restrictions on abortions already. That every candidate supports.DJDuck said:What a bunch of ignorant bloviating here by pro abortionists.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/new-poll-majority-of-americans-would-vote-for-a-candidate-who-supports-abortion-restrictions/ -
“ Making Young women criminals”. What a bunch of horseshit.
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If abortions are illegal. And a women gets one, they are now a criminal. Are you that ignorant? Or do you think only drugs and guns are subject to people having them even when illegal?DJDuck said:“ Making Young women criminals”. What a bunch of horseshit.
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Bullshit. Not every candidate supports restrictions on abortion. Roe had restrictions that were struck down by later Court cases. Roe was wrongfully decided. If it is struck down abortion will not end. It will be for each state to decide as it should have been in the first place.2001400ex said:
There are restrictions on abortions already. That every candidate supports.DJDuck said:What a bunch of ignorant bloviating here by pro abortionists.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/new-poll-majority-of-americans-would-vote-for-a-candidate-who-supports-abortion-restrictions/
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Try having an abortion after the age of viability and get back to me.DJDuck said:
Bullshit. Not every candidate supports restrictions on abortion. Roe had restrictions that were struck down by later Court cases. Roe was wrongfully decided. If it is struck down abortion will not end. It will be for each state to decide as it should have been in the first place.2001400ex said:
There are restrictions on abortions already. That every candidate supports.DJDuck said:What a bunch of ignorant bloviating here by pro abortionists.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/new-poll-majority-of-americans-would-vote-for-a-candidate-who-supports-abortion-restrictions/ -
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creepycoug said:
Have to say I have had a different experience. I don't know many, or really any, atheists or agnostics who are militantly opposed to it. On the other hand, I don't know many people who are completely indifferent either ... a healthy number find it to be an undesirable way to deal with unwanted pregnancy, but those people never line up and don't seem to vote on this issue.RaceBannon said:
Agree. Its been largely secular in the pastMikeDamone said:
There are many atheists who oppose abortion. It's not only a religious issue.RaceBannon said:1st president ever. Would have thought W would have hit one. As I recall he was quite religious.
Franklin Graham is attending for the first time
Almost every person I've known who has a big problem with it are informed by a religious view of some kind.
Pro Life support gains general traction as the discussion moves to late term and partial birth abortions, the exception being amongst progressives who oppose all things pro life.
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If you’re saying you can’t get an abortion after “viability” you’re just full of shit.2001400ex said:
Try having an abortion after the age of viability and get back to me.DJDuck said:
Bullshit. Not every candidate supports restrictions on abortion. Roe had restrictions that were struck down by later Court cases. Roe was wrongfully decided. If it is struck down abortion will not end. It will be for each state to decide as it should have been in the first place.2001400ex said:
There are restrictions on abortions already. That every candidate supports.DJDuck said:What a bunch of ignorant bloviating here by pro abortionists.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/new-poll-majority-of-americans-would-vote-for-a-candidate-who-supports-abortion-restrictions/
Basically your saying that you can’t get an abortion in the United States in the late 2nd trimester and the third trimester? Unbelievable.
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Murder is illegal and people still do it.
Therefore there should be no punishment.
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Substitute "almost every dem politician" for "progressives" and you nailed it.
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Lolz.DJDuck said:What a bunch of ignorant bloviating here by pro abortionists.
New Poll: Majority of Americans Would Vote for a Candidate Who Supports Abortion Restrictions
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/new-poll-majority-of-americans-would-vote-for-a-candidate-who-supports-abortion-restrictions/ -
Colautti v. Franklin
439 U.S. 379 (1979)
The Court rejected a Pennsylvania statute that would have required doctors to protect the life of a fetus who “may be viable” both during and after an abortion. It ruled that only the doctor performing the abortion, and not a court or legislature, was competent to make a determination of viability. The statutory definitions were held to be vague.
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Because you gals have convinced everyone that late term abortions are of the Gerber baby, rather than the tragic cases they really are. Gosnell is in prison, remember? You can't legally get a late term abortion on a whim.Southerndawg said:creepycoug said:
Have to say I have had a different experience. I don't know many, or really any, atheists or agnostics who are militantly opposed to it. On the other hand, I don't know many people who are completely indifferent either ... a healthy number find it to be an undesirable way to deal with unwanted pregnancy, but those people never line up and don't seem to vote on this issue.RaceBannon said:
Agree. Its been largely secular in the pastMikeDamone said:
There are many atheists who oppose abortion. It's not only a religious issue.RaceBannon said:1st president ever. Would have thought W would have hit one. As I recall he was quite religious.
Franklin Graham is attending for the first time
Almost every person I've known who has a big problem with it are informed by a religious view of some kind.
Pro Life support gains general traction as the discussion moves to late term and partial birth abortions, the exception being amongst progressives who oppose all things pro life. -
As it does for me. That said, those situations are rare and not something I think the average woman will walk into with indifference. Not having dealt with it, I'm guessing those situations are quite shitty for everyone involved and decisions are being made among limited set of truly shitty choices.Southerndawg said:creepycoug said:
Have to say I have had a different experience. I don't know many, or really any, atheists or agnostics who are militantly opposed to it. On the other hand, I don't know many people who are completely indifferent either ... a healthy number find it to be an undesirable way to deal with unwanted pregnancy, but those people never line up and don't seem to vote on this issue.RaceBannon said:
Agree. Its been largely secular in the pastMikeDamone said:
There are many atheists who oppose abortion. It's not only a religious issue.RaceBannon said:1st president ever. Would have thought W would have hit one. As I recall he was quite religious.
Franklin Graham is attending for the first time
Almost every person I've known who has a big problem with it are informed by a religious view of some kind.
Pro Life support gains general traction as the discussion moves to late term and partial birth abortions, the exception being amongst progressives who oppose all things pro life.
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