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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 110,106 Founders Club

    So quantity AND quality obviously in UW’s favor. Dig deeper and do the entire history and the discrepancy is even more obvious.

    Gonzaga is the Boise fucking St of b-ball. At their height, they win 1-2 preseason games against real competition, win their bullshit league, everyone sucks their dick, they lose early in the tourney. Like 2-3 good runs in the tourney and people think they’re Duke.

    There’s a reason hardly any high profile recruits outside of the region go to Gonzaga. Small town shit hole that plays the majority of its games against even smaller town shit holes.

    Then they go pro and flame out. Or don’t even make it.

    They’re a good college program with more success than UW, but nobody is trying to go there. Most of their best players are transfers and international players.

    It’s almost like playing against WCC competition for 90% of your college career doesn’t prepare you that well for the league.

    Who could have predicted this???
    I read this thinking that its a good thing @creepycoug isn't a zaggot
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,823

    I read this thinking that its a good thing @creepycoug isn't a zaggot
    Paging @Zaggot
  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 12,447

    So quantity AND quality obviously in UW’s favor. Dig deeper and do the entire history and the discrepancy is even more obvious.

    Gonzaga is the Boise fucking St of b-ball. At their height, they win 1-2 preseason games against real competition, win their bullshit league, everyone sucks their dick, they lose early in the tourney. Like 2-3 good runs in the tourney and people think they’re Duke.

    There’s a reason hardly any high profile recruits outside of the region go to Gonzaga. Small town shit hole that plays the majority of its games against even smaller town shit holes.

    Then they go pro and flame out. Or don’t even make it.

    They’re a good college program with more success than UW, but nobody is trying to go there. Most of their best players are transfers and international players.

    It’s almost like playing against WCC competition for 90% of your college career doesn’t prepare you that well for the league.

    Who could have predicted this???
    They have played in the title game and routinely beat top-level teams. In fact, the WCC has been as good or better than the PAC recently (including beating PAC teams head-to-head). Stop kidding yourself.
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325

    They have played in the title game and routinely beat top-level teams. In fact, the WCC has been as good or better than the PAC recently (including beating PAC teams head-to-head). Stop kidding yourself.
    “The WCC has been as good or better than the PAC???”

    Wow. Just, wow.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    They have played in the title game and routinely beat top-level teams. In fact, the WCC has been as good or better than the PAC recently (including beating PAC teams head-to-head). Stop kidding yourself.
    Every computer metric disagrees with you.
  • BleachedAnusDawgBleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 12,447
    2001400ex said:

    Every computer metric disagrees with you.
    Top of that league has done just fine. Gonzaga would easily win the PAC if they were in the league. That's not even debatable.

    UW is not a hoops school.
  • RoadDawg55RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,123
    edited January 2020

    So quantity AND quality obviously in UW’s favor. Dig deeper and do the entire history and the discrepancy is even more obvious.

    Gonzaga is the Boise fucking St of b-ball. At their height, they win 1-2 preseason games against real competition, win their bullshit league, everyone sucks their dick, they lose early in the tourney. Like 2-3 good runs in the tourney and people think they’re Duke.

    There’s a reason hardly any high profile recruits outside of the region go to Gonzaga. Small town shit hole that plays the majority of its games against even smaller town shit holes.

    Then they go pro and flame out. Or don’t even make it.

    They’re a good college program with more success than UW, but nobody is trying to go there. Most of their best players are transfers and international players.

    It’s almost like playing against WCC competition for 90% of your college career doesn’t prepare you that well for the league.

    Who could have predicted this???
    Kind of doogish Freeme. They made the title game. They have been good for years and have leveled up to become a perennial contender. Would anyone be shocked if they won a title? It’s hard so they probably won’t, but they will make another Final 4 or two in the next 5-10 years.

    We would kill to have their success. I know you’re talking more about the NBA, but outside of Duke and Kentucky, nobody really has more than two alumni that are All-Stars.

    Kansas has Embiid. Michigan State has Draymond Green. Villanova has Kyle Lowry, who came before their real peak. Virginia has no All Stars I can think of. Neither does North Carolina. Michigan, Louisville, etc.
  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457

    Top of that league has done just fine. Gonzaga would easily win the PAC if they were in the league. That's not even debatable.

    UW is not a hoops school.
    Gonzaga wouldn't roll through the league like they do the WCC. Every few years they might win the league. The bottom of the WCC is shit. Pepperdine there?

    I respect what Few has done. Going to the tourney every year is impressive, Roy Williams and shitdick Calipari can't even say that. But the WCC isn't as good as the PAC 12 and they wouldn't roll through the PAC 12 every year.
  • haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,704 Swaye's Wigwam

    Top of that league has done just fine. Gonzaga would easily win the PAC if they were in the league. That's not even debatable.

    UW is not a hoops school.
    When me, Tommy, and Shane were going to UW it sure as hell was. Seattle loves basketball especially with home grown talent. The students were all over it when IT was here.

    Gonzaga has a coach. That's it.
  • Miley_CyrusMiley_Cyrus Member Posts: 828
    edited January 2020
    Gonzaga would be top 3 of the pac 12 every year and win it a good chunk of the time. If you think otherwise you’re probably not watching their games. Few’s teams are fucking legit, especially on offense.

    Their downfall most years is their defense isn’t elite and they get softened up in the WCC, which is well documented.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,823

    Gonzaga would be top 3 of the pac 12 every year and win it a good chunk of the time. If you think otherwise you’re probably not watching their games. Few’s teams are fucking legit, especially on offense.

    Their downfall most years is their defense isn’t the elite and they get softened up in the WCC, which is well documented.

    I agree they'd be top 3 every year. That's a much different claim than "the WCC has been as good or better than the Pac recently" which means they'd easily win the Pac annually.

    They wouldn't.

    They'd still be very good though.
  • LongDukDongLongDukDong Member Posts: 1,304

    This team is bad, real bad. I’m predicting a bottom third finish in the league. I’m starting to think our victories OOC were due to the fact people hadn’t caught on to Stewart. Double him and we can’t do anything. Shit team, shit offense, shitty coaching

    dnc said:

    They're going to make the tourney.

    They're not especially good though.
    Looks like I was right all along. Only worse than I predicted, last place. But Jaden is a lottery pick!!!
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,823

    Looks like I was right all along. Only worse than I predicted, last place. But Jaden is a lottery pick!!!
    Losing Quade was a game changer, but yeah.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,807

    I read this thinking that its a good thing @creepycoug isn't a zaggot
    It's a serious thing to take me on, especially defending a program I like (that day). Serious bidness. Don't want to do it in the middle of the store. Lives are often effected. Sometims, people get hurt (list too long). Sometims, they die (OBK, BTP, Ballz ... BroadcastDoog ... just a matter of tim).
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,807

    They have played in the title game and routinely beat top-level teams. In fact, the WCC has been as good or better than the PAC recently (including beating PAC teams head-to-head). Stop kidding yourself.
    Boise State has beaten Oregon ... a few tims.

    Therefore, Boise State is an equal or better program, and would fare in the P12 as well or better than Oregon.

    Do I have that correct? Or do I misstate?
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,807

    Kind of doogish Freeme. They made the title game. They have been good for years and have leveled up to become a perennial contender. Would anyone be shocked if they won a title? It’s hard so they probably won’t, but they will make another Final 4 or two in the next 5-10 years.

    We would kill to have their success. I know you’re talking more about the NBA, but outside of Duke and Kentucky, nobody really has more than two alumni that are All-Stars.

    Kansas has Embiid. Michigan State has Draymond Green. Villanova has Kyle Lowry, who came before their real peak. Virginia has no All Stars I can think of. Neither does North Carolina. Michigan, Louisville, etc.
    Toothy? That you man?
  • ntxduckntxduck Member Posts: 5,968
    dnc said:

    I agree they'd be top 3 every year. That's a much different claim than "the WCC has been as good or better than the Pac recently" which means they'd easily win the Pac annually.

    They wouldn't.

    They'd still be very good though.
    It’s also absurd because the wcc is so top heavy. In most years, Gonzaga would compete for first in the p12, st Mary’s for 4th/5th, BYU for 7th/8th, and every other team would finish 13th if they were added to the pac12.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,807

    Toothy never caught on Creep.
    It caught on for me. I only try to entertain myself.

    You wanna whore yourself out for chins be my guest. I am my own man Roadie. I'm the Creep.
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