Pac12 opener game thread
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I dont know if the team would be better or worse without... (maybe the fact that I cant definitively say means they would be better without him) But I do know that the suffocating Hop zone defense requires complete tryhard buyin and for everyone to be on the same page.bananasnblondes said:A world could exist where we would have been better off if McDaniels had chosen Kentucky. He looks like he doesnt want to be playing basketball and shows it by his play. I think theres a small chance he quits the team before the end of the season.
As I remember, Oregon had a guy a few years ago who was a 5* all american who had the same issues and either quit or got kicked off the team halfway through the season and they were better off for it.
As a final note, @btp is a fucking idiot
There is a bit more soft pussy finesse faggotry on the team than in the past few years. Mcdaniels contributes to that, but its not solely his fault. Would be nice if the team had a IT to punk Mcdaniels, Brockman to break his eye socket with a bow in practice, or Venoy to pimp him out at the jack in the box to wake him up... Or maybe Hop or Dollar can stop tiptoeing around him.
The team does play significantly better defense when McDaniels isnt on the floor and Mcdaniels/Wright are giving up an absurd amount of offensive rebounds.
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Shoutout to McDaniels...he just isn’t that good and doesn’t appear to have the attitude to want to get there. Get through the season and get drafted...cash in before everyone else figures it out.
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Houhusky said:
I dont know if the team would be better or worse without... (maybe the fact that I cant definitively say means they would be better without him) But I do know that the suffocating Hop zone defense requires complete tryhard buyin and for everyone to be on the same page.bananasnblondes said:A world could exist where we would have been better off if McDaniels had chosen Kentucky. He looks like he doesnt want to be playing basketball and shows it by his play. I think theres a small chance he quits the team before the end of the season.
As I remember, Oregon had a guy a few years ago who was a 5* all american who had the same issues and either quit or got kicked off the team halfway through the season and they were better off for it.
As a final note, @btp is a fucking idiot
There is a bit more soft pussy finesse faggotry on the team than in the past few years. Mcdaniels contributes to that, but its not solely his fault. Would be nice if the team had a IT to punk Mcdaniels, Brockman to break his eye socket with a bow in practice, or Venoy to pimp him out at the jack in the box to wake him up... Or maybe Hop or Dollar can stop tiptoeing around him.
The team does play significantly better defense when McDaniels isnt on the floor and Mcdaniels/Wright are giving up an absurd amount of offensive rebounds.
They’ve already figured it out.HoustonHusky said:Shoutout to McDaniels...he just isn’t that good and doesn’t appear to have the attitude to want to get there. Get through the season and get drafted...cash in before everyone else figures it out.
Kid should go somewhere and get coached up. He didn’t get any from Jerome Collins or his AAU leaches and he’s not getting developed by Hop & Co.
If he had any adult supervision, they’d tell him to transfer to Gonzaga, sit out a year learning the game and come back as a beast in two years.
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So many great Zags in the NBA...PurpleThrobber said:Houhusky said:
I dont know if the team would be better or worse without... (maybe the fact that I cant definitively say means they would be better without him) But I do know that the suffocating Hop zone defense requires complete tryhard buyin and for everyone to be on the same page.bananasnblondes said:A world could exist where we would have been better off if McDaniels had chosen Kentucky. He looks like he doesnt want to be playing basketball and shows it by his play. I think theres a small chance he quits the team before the end of the season.
As I remember, Oregon had a guy a few years ago who was a 5* all american who had the same issues and either quit or got kicked off the team halfway through the season and they were better off for it.
As a final note, @btp is a fucking idiot
There is a bit more soft pussy finesse faggotry on the team than in the past few years. Mcdaniels contributes to that, but its not solely his fault. Would be nice if the team had a IT to punk Mcdaniels, Brockman to break his eye socket with a bow in practice, or Venoy to pimp him out at the jack in the box to wake him up... Or maybe Hop or Dollar can stop tiptoeing around him.
The team does play significantly better defense when McDaniels isnt on the floor and Mcdaniels/Wright are giving up an absurd amount of offensive rebounds.
They’ve already figured it out.HoustonHusky said:Shoutout to McDaniels...he just isn’t that good and doesn’t appear to have the attitude to want to get there. Get through the season and get drafted...cash in before everyone else figures it out.
Kid should go somewhere and get coached up. He didn’t get any from Jerome Collins or his AAU leaches and he’s not getting developed by Hop & Co.
If he had any adult supervision, they’d tell him to transfer to Gonzaga, sit out a year learning the game and come back as a beast in two years. -
Sure worked for NWG.PurpleThrobber said:Houhusky said:
I dont know if the team would be better or worse without... (maybe the fact that I cant definitively say means they would be better without him) But I do know that the suffocating Hop zone defense requires complete tryhard buyin and for everyone to be on the same page.bananasnblondes said:A world could exist where we would have been better off if McDaniels had chosen Kentucky. He looks like he doesnt want to be playing basketball and shows it by his play. I think theres a small chance he quits the team before the end of the season.
As I remember, Oregon had a guy a few years ago who was a 5* all american who had the same issues and either quit or got kicked off the team halfway through the season and they were better off for it.
As a final note, @btp is a fucking idiot
There is a bit more soft pussy finesse faggotry on the team than in the past few years. Mcdaniels contributes to that, but its not solely his fault. Would be nice if the team had a IT to punk Mcdaniels, Brockman to break his eye socket with a bow in practice, or Venoy to pimp him out at the jack in the box to wake him up... Or maybe Hop or Dollar can stop tiptoeing around him.
The team does play significantly better defense when McDaniels isnt on the floor and Mcdaniels/Wright are giving up an absurd amount of offensive rebounds.
They’ve already figured it out.HoustonHusky said:Shoutout to McDaniels...he just isn’t that good and doesn’t appear to have the attitude to want to get there. Get through the season and get drafted...cash in before everyone else figures it out.
Kid should go somewhere and get coached up. He didn’t get any from Jerome Collins or his AAU leaches and he’s not getting developed by Hop & Co.
If he had any adult supervision, they’d tell him to transfer to Gonzaga, sit out a year learning the game and come back as a beast in two years.
That being said. Jaden looks like he has zero desire to be here. Even last night's game. There's no reason he shouldn't be a 15-20 point a night guy with 2-4 blocks and 7 rebounds a game. He's the reason we give up so many offensive boards. (That and a weakness of the 4-1 zone is backdoor rebounding, too many people crash the ball side). -
2001400ex said:
Sure worked for NWG.PurpleThrobber said:Houhusky said:
I dont know if the team would be better or worse without... (maybe the fact that I cant definitively say means they would be better without him) But I do know that the suffocating Hop zone defense requires complete tryhard buyin and for everyone to be on the same page.bananasnblondes said:A world could exist where we would have been better off if McDaniels had chosen Kentucky. He looks like he doesnt want to be playing basketball and shows it by his play. I think theres a small chance he quits the team before the end of the season.
As I remember, Oregon had a guy a few years ago who was a 5* all american who had the same issues and either quit or got kicked off the team halfway through the season and they were better off for it.
As a final note, @btp is a fucking idiot
There is a bit more soft pussy finesse faggotry on the team than in the past few years. Mcdaniels contributes to that, but its not solely his fault. Would be nice if the team had a IT to punk Mcdaniels, Brockman to break his eye socket with a bow in practice, or Venoy to pimp him out at the jack in the box to wake him up... Or maybe Hop or Dollar can stop tiptoeing around him.
The team does play significantly better defense when McDaniels isnt on the floor and Mcdaniels/Wright are giving up an absurd amount of offensive rebounds.
They’ve already figured it out.HoustonHusky said:Shoutout to McDaniels...he just isn’t that good and doesn’t appear to have the attitude to want to get there. Get through the season and get drafted...cash in before everyone else figures it out.
Kid should go somewhere and get coached up. He didn’t get any from Jerome Collins or his AAU leaches and he’s not getting developed by Hop & Co.
If he had any adult supervision, they’d tell him to transfer to Gonzaga, sit out a year learning the game and come back as a beast in two years.
That being said. Jaden looks like he has zero desire to be here. Even last night's game. There's no reason he shouldn't be a 15-20 point a night guy with 2-4 blocks and 7 rebounds a game. He's the reason we give up so many offensive boards. (That and a weakness of the 4-1 zone is backdoor rebounding, too many people crash the ball side).
He’s not a 15-20 point a night guy because he’s not good enough. He’s an average at best shooter and too thin to be a great finisher inside. He has a toolsy game where he does a little of everything somewhat well, but he does not have one standout skill.2001400ex said:
Sure worked for NWG.PurpleThrobber said:Houhusky said:
I dont know if the team would be better or worse without... (maybe the fact that I cant definitively say means they would be better without him) But I do know that the suffocating Hop zone defense requires complete tryhard buyin and for everyone to be on the same page.bananasnblondes said:A world could exist where we would have been better off if McDaniels had chosen Kentucky. He looks like he doesnt want to be playing basketball and shows it by his play. I think theres a small chance he quits the team before the end of the season.
As I remember, Oregon had a guy a few years ago who was a 5* all american who had the same issues and either quit or got kicked off the team halfway through the season and they were better off for it.
As a final note, @btp is a fucking idiot
There is a bit more soft pussy finesse faggotry on the team than in the past few years. Mcdaniels contributes to that, but its not solely his fault. Would be nice if the team had a IT to punk Mcdaniels, Brockman to break his eye socket with a bow in practice, or Venoy to pimp him out at the jack in the box to wake him up... Or maybe Hop or Dollar can stop tiptoeing around him.
The team does play significantly better defense when McDaniels isnt on the floor and Mcdaniels/Wright are giving up an absurd amount of offensive rebounds.
They’ve already figured it out.HoustonHusky said:Shoutout to McDaniels...he just isn’t that good and doesn’t appear to have the attitude to want to get there. Get through the season and get drafted...cash in before everyone else figures it out.
Kid should go somewhere and get coached up. He didn’t get any from Jerome Collins or his AAU leaches and he’s not getting developed by Hop & Co.
If he had any adult supervision, they’d tell him to transfer to Gonzaga, sit out a year learning the game and come back as a beast in two years.
That being said. Jaden looks like he has zero desire to be here. Even last night's game. There's no reason he shouldn't be a 15-20 point a night guy with 2-4 blocks and 7 rebounds a game. He's the reason we give up so many offensive boards. (That and a weakness of the 4-1 zone is backdoor rebounding, too many people crash the ball side).
I said before the year 12-14 points and that’s what he’s giving us. I had a feeling he wasn’t the shooter BTP hyped him as. He shot 29% from 3. That’s in AAU where there isn’t a ton of defense being played. AAU stats are readily available online.
I think McDaniels will always lack some grit. It’s just not him. If he improves his shooting and focus, he will be a solid player in the NBA in time. He won’t be anything special at UW. You just gotta hope he plays his best ball in the conference tourney and the real tournament. At some point, he will score 30 and have a big night shooting and we will all like him again. He’s not horrible by any means, we just see 5* and expect those types to dominate. -
Great point.RoadDawg55 said:2001400ex said:
Sure worked for NWG.PurpleThrobber said:Houhusky said:
I dont know if the team would be better or worse without... (maybe the fact that I cant definitively say means they would be better without him) But I do know that the suffocating Hop zone defense requires complete tryhard buyin and for everyone to be on the same page.bananasnblondes said:A world could exist where we would have been better off if McDaniels had chosen Kentucky. He looks like he doesnt want to be playing basketball and shows it by his play. I think theres a small chance he quits the team before the end of the season.
As I remember, Oregon had a guy a few years ago who was a 5* all american who had the same issues and either quit or got kicked off the team halfway through the season and they were better off for it.
As a final note, @btp is a fucking idiot
There is a bit more soft pussy finesse faggotry on the team than in the past few years. Mcdaniels contributes to that, but its not solely his fault. Would be nice if the team had a IT to punk Mcdaniels, Brockman to break his eye socket with a bow in practice, or Venoy to pimp him out at the jack in the box to wake him up... Or maybe Hop or Dollar can stop tiptoeing around him.
The team does play significantly better defense when McDaniels isnt on the floor and Mcdaniels/Wright are giving up an absurd amount of offensive rebounds.
They’ve already figured it out.HoustonHusky said:Shoutout to McDaniels...he just isn’t that good and doesn’t appear to have the attitude to want to get there. Get through the season and get drafted...cash in before everyone else figures it out.
Kid should go somewhere and get coached up. He didn’t get any from Jerome Collins or his AAU leaches and he’s not getting developed by Hop & Co.
If he had any adult supervision, they’d tell him to transfer to Gonzaga, sit out a year learning the game and come back as a beast in two years.
That being said. Jaden looks like he has zero desire to be here. Even last night's game. There's no reason he shouldn't be a 15-20 point a night guy with 2-4 blocks and 7 rebounds a game. He's the reason we give up so many offensive boards. (That and a weakness of the 4-1 zone is backdoor rebounding, too many people crash the ball side).
He’s not a 15-20 point a night guy because he’s not good enough. He’s an average at best shooter and too thin to be a great finisher inside. He has a toolsy game where he does a little of everything somewhat well, but he does not have one standout skill.2001400ex said:
Sure worked for NWG.PurpleThrobber said:Houhusky said:
I dont know if the team would be better or worse without... (maybe the fact that I cant definitively say means they would be better without him) But I do know that the suffocating Hop zone defense requires complete tryhard buyin and for everyone to be on the same page.bananasnblondes said:A world could exist where we would have been better off if McDaniels had chosen Kentucky. He looks like he doesnt want to be playing basketball and shows it by his play. I think theres a small chance he quits the team before the end of the season.
As I remember, Oregon had a guy a few years ago who was a 5* all american who had the same issues and either quit or got kicked off the team halfway through the season and they were better off for it.
As a final note, @btp is a fucking idiot
There is a bit more soft pussy finesse faggotry on the team than in the past few years. Mcdaniels contributes to that, but its not solely his fault. Would be nice if the team had a IT to punk Mcdaniels, Brockman to break his eye socket with a bow in practice, or Venoy to pimp him out at the jack in the box to wake him up... Or maybe Hop or Dollar can stop tiptoeing around him.
The team does play significantly better defense when McDaniels isnt on the floor and Mcdaniels/Wright are giving up an absurd amount of offensive rebounds.
They’ve already figured it out.HoustonHusky said:Shoutout to McDaniels...he just isn’t that good and doesn’t appear to have the attitude to want to get there. Get through the season and get drafted...cash in before everyone else figures it out.
Kid should go somewhere and get coached up. He didn’t get any from Jerome Collins or his AAU leaches and he’s not getting developed by Hop & Co.
If he had any adult supervision, they’d tell him to transfer to Gonzaga, sit out a year learning the game and come back as a beast in two years.
That being said. Jaden looks like he has zero desire to be here. Even last night's game. There's no reason he shouldn't be a 15-20 point a night guy with 2-4 blocks and 7 rebounds a game. He's the reason we give up so many offensive boards. (That and a weakness of the 4-1 zone is backdoor rebounding, too many people crash the ball side).
I said before the year 12-14 points and that’s what he’s giving us. I had a feeling he wasn’t the shooter BTP hyped him as. He shot 29% from 3. That’s in AAU where there isn’t a ton of defense being played. AAU stats are readily available online.
I think McDaniels will always lack some grit. It’s just not him. If he improves his shooting and focus, he will be a solid player in the NBA in time. He won’t be anything special at UW. You just gotta hope he plays his best ball in the conference tourney and the real tournament. At some point, he will score 30 and have a big night shooting and we will all like him again. He’s not horrible by any means, we just see 5* and expect those types to dominate.
I disagree that Jaden didn't look like he wanted to be here last night too btw. Dude had six blocks in the first half. You don't block shots half assing it. Some guys just don't look like they'er trying hard but that doesn't always mean they dgaf. People used to say the same shit about BRoy before his senior year. -
Name, position, height, weight, league, team, games played, points, rebounds, assists. Sabonis has become a good player. Hachimura doing well as a rookie. Clarke is solid. Not a big discrepancy between the schools.ThomasFremont said:
So many great Zags in the NBA...PurpleThrobber said:Houhusky said:
I dont know if the team would be better or worse without... (maybe the fact that I cant definitively say means they would be better without him) But I do know that the suffocating Hop zone defense requires complete tryhard buyin and for everyone to be on the same page.bananasnblondes said:A world could exist where we would have been better off if McDaniels had chosen Kentucky. He looks like he doesnt want to be playing basketball and shows it by his play. I think theres a small chance he quits the team before the end of the season.
As I remember, Oregon had a guy a few years ago who was a 5* all american who had the same issues and either quit or got kicked off the team halfway through the season and they were better off for it.
As a final note, @btp is a fucking idiot
There is a bit more soft pussy finesse faggotry on the team than in the past few years. Mcdaniels contributes to that, but its not solely his fault. Would be nice if the team had a IT to punk Mcdaniels, Brockman to break his eye socket with a bow in practice, or Venoy to pimp him out at the jack in the box to wake him up... Or maybe Hop or Dollar can stop tiptoeing around him.
The team does play significantly better defense when McDaniels isnt on the floor and Mcdaniels/Wright are giving up an absurd amount of offensive rebounds.
They’ve already figured it out.HoustonHusky said:Shoutout to McDaniels...he just isn’t that good and doesn’t appear to have the attitude to want to get there. Get through the season and get drafted...cash in before everyone else figures it out.
Kid should go somewhere and get coached up. He didn’t get any from Jerome Collins or his AAU leaches and he’s not getting developed by Hop & Co.
If he had any adult supervision, they’d tell him to transfer to Gonzaga, sit out a year learning the game and come back as a beast in two years.
GONZAGA
Brandon Clarke PF 6-8 210 NBA Grizzlies 31 12.58 5.61 1.35
Zach Collins C 7-0 235 NBA Trail Blazers 3 9.00 4.00 2.00
Rui Hachimura F 6-8 230 NBA Wizards 25 13.92 5.80 1.60
Kelly Olynyk C 7-0 240 NBA Heat 35 7.71 4.54 1.20
Domas Sabonis PF 6-11 240 NBA Pacers 35 17.77 13.03 4.20
Nigel Williams-Goss SG 6-3 190 NBA Jazz 8 0.25 0.50 0.50
WASHINGTON
Marquese Chriss PF 6-10 230 Warriors 37 7.35 5.43 1.89
Markelle Fultz PG 6-4 200 Magic 36 11.42 2.97 4.42
Justin Holiday SF 6-6 181 Pacers 37 7.70 3.43 1.43
Dejounte Murray SG 6-5 175 Spurs 31 10.48 5.81 4.13
Jaylen Nowell SG 6-4 202 Timberwolves 7 4.43 0.71 0.86
Terrence Ross SF 6-7 206 Magic 35 13.40 2.80 0.89
Isaiah Thomas PG 5-9 185 Wizards 27 13.00 1.52 4.26
Matisse Thybulle SF 6-5 200 Sixers 30 4.83 1.07 1.23 -
If I was a high-level basketball recruit I'd play for Gonzaga over UW. This is not even a serious debate. Let's be honest with ourselves.PurpleThrobber said:Houhusky said:
I dont know if the team would be better or worse without... (maybe the fact that I cant definitively say means they would be better without him) But I do know that the suffocating Hop zone defense requires complete tryhard buyin and for everyone to be on the same page.bananasnblondes said:A world could exist where we would have been better off if McDaniels had chosen Kentucky. He looks like he doesnt want to be playing basketball and shows it by his play. I think theres a small chance he quits the team before the end of the season.
As I remember, Oregon had a guy a few years ago who was a 5* all american who had the same issues and either quit or got kicked off the team halfway through the season and they were better off for it.
As a final note, @btp is a fucking idiot
There is a bit more soft pussy finesse faggotry on the team than in the past few years. Mcdaniels contributes to that, but its not solely his fault. Would be nice if the team had a IT to punk Mcdaniels, Brockman to break his eye socket with a bow in practice, or Venoy to pimp him out at the jack in the box to wake him up... Or maybe Hop or Dollar can stop tiptoeing around him.
The team does play significantly better defense when McDaniels isnt on the floor and Mcdaniels/Wright are giving up an absurd amount of offensive rebounds.
They’ve already figured it out.HoustonHusky said:Shoutout to McDaniels...he just isn’t that good and doesn’t appear to have the attitude to want to get there. Get through the season and get drafted...cash in before everyone else figures it out.
Kid should go somewhere and get coached up. He didn’t get any from Jerome Collins or his AAU leaches and he’s not getting developed by Hop & Co.
If he had any adult supervision, they’d tell him to transfer to Gonzaga, sit out a year learning the game and come back as a beast in two years. -
So quantity AND quality obviously in UW’s favor. Dig deeper and do the entire history and the discrepancy is even more obvious.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Name, position, height, weight, league, team, games played, points, rebounds, assists. Sabonis has become a good player. Hachimura doing well as a rookie. Clarke is solid. Not a big discrepancy between the schools.ThomasFremont said:
So many great Zags in the NBA...PurpleThrobber said:Houhusky said:
I dont know if the team would be better or worse without... (maybe the fact that I cant definitively say means they would be better without him) But I do know that the suffocating Hop zone defense requires complete tryhard buyin and for everyone to be on the same page.bananasnblondes said:A world could exist where we would have been better off if McDaniels had chosen Kentucky. He looks like he doesnt want to be playing basketball and shows it by his play. I think theres a small chance he quits the team before the end of the season.
As I remember, Oregon had a guy a few years ago who was a 5* all american who had the same issues and either quit or got kicked off the team halfway through the season and they were better off for it.
As a final note, @btp is a fucking idiot
There is a bit more soft pussy finesse faggotry on the team than in the past few years. Mcdaniels contributes to that, but its not solely his fault. Would be nice if the team had a IT to punk Mcdaniels, Brockman to break his eye socket with a bow in practice, or Venoy to pimp him out at the jack in the box to wake him up... Or maybe Hop or Dollar can stop tiptoeing around him.
The team does play significantly better defense when McDaniels isnt on the floor and Mcdaniels/Wright are giving up an absurd amount of offensive rebounds.
They’ve already figured it out.HoustonHusky said:Shoutout to McDaniels...he just isn’t that good and doesn’t appear to have the attitude to want to get there. Get through the season and get drafted...cash in before everyone else figures it out.
Kid should go somewhere and get coached up. He didn’t get any from Jerome Collins or his AAU leaches and he’s not getting developed by Hop & Co.
If he had any adult supervision, they’d tell him to transfer to Gonzaga, sit out a year learning the game and come back as a beast in two years.
GONZAGA
Brandon Clarke PF 6-8 210 NBA Grizzlies 31 12.58 5.61 1.35
Zach Collins C 7-0 235 NBA Trail Blazers 3 9.00 4.00 2.00
Rui Hachimura F 6-8 230 NBA Wizards 25 13.92 5.80 1.60
Kelly Olynyk C 7-0 240 NBA Heat 35 7.71 4.54 1.20
Domas Sabonis PF 6-11 240 NBA Pacers 35 17.77 13.03 4.20
Nigel Williams-Goss SG 6-3 190 NBA Jazz 8 0.25 0.50 0.50
WASHINGTON
Marquese Chriss PF 6-10 230 Warriors 37 7.35 5.43 1.89
Markelle Fultz PG 6-4 200 Magic 36 11.42 2.97 4.42
Justin Holiday SF 6-6 181 Pacers 37 7.70 3.43 1.43
Dejounte Murray SG 6-5 175 Spurs 31 10.48 5.81 4.13
Jaylen Nowell SG 6-4 202 Timberwolves 7 4.43 0.71 0.86
Terrence Ross SF 6-7 206 Magic 35 13.40 2.80 0.89
Isaiah Thomas PG 5-9 185 Wizards 27 13.00 1.52 4.26
Matisse Thybulle SF 6-5 200 Sixers 30 4.83 1.07 1.23
Gonzaga is the Boise fucking St of b-ball. At their height, they win 1-2 preseason games against real competition, win their bullshit league, everyone sucks their dick, they lose early in the tourney. Like 2-3 good runs in the tourney and people think they’re Duke.
There’s a reason hardly any high profile recruits outside of the region go to Gonzaga. Small town shit hole that plays the majority of its games against even smaller town shit holes.
Then they go pro and flame out. Or don’t even make it.
They’re a good college program with more success than UW, but nobody is trying to go there. Most of their best players are transfers and international players.
It’s almost like playing against WCC competition for 90% of your college career doesn’t prepare you that well for the league.
Who could have predicted this???
