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Do you care about democracy?

UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,673 Swaye's Wigwam
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"If it does not bother you to learn that the FBI repeatedly and deliberately deceived the FISA court into granting it permission to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign, then it is virtually certain that you are either someone with no principles, someone who cares only about partisan advantage and nothing about basic civil liberties and the rule of law, or both. There is simply no way for anyone of good faith to read this IG Report and reach any conclusion other than that this is yet another instance of the FBI abusing its power in severe ways to subvert and undermine U.S. democracy. If you don’t care about that, what do you care about?"

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/?fbclid=IwAR09_yeI_qVd1pU7oi_7xvyW9tJtDLjE4fxDDGBNjRXCcMmO49o7PqZNkjo
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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    "If it does not bother you to learn that the FBI repeatedly and deliberately deceived the FISA court into granting it permission to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign, then it is virtually certain that you are either someone with no principles, someone who cares only about partisan advantage and nothing about basic civil liberties and the rule of law, or both. There is simply no way for anyone of good faith to read this IG Report and reach any conclusion other than that this is yet another instance of the FBI abusing its power in severe ways to subvert and undermine U.S. democracy. If you don’t care about that, what do you care about?"

    https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/?fbclid=IwAR09_yeI_qVd1pU7oi_7xvyW9tJtDLjE4fxDDGBNjRXCcMmO49o7PqZNkjo

    I think most people, including me, do care about it. However, most sane people also realize that there was no evidence that Obama or Hillary were involved and no one spied on Trump's campaign. Both assertions your news media pumped for 3 years and is now trying to defend.
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  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,673 Swaye's Wigwam
    RaceBannon said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    "If it does not bother you to learn that the FBI repeatedly and deliberately deceived the FISA court into granting it permission to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign, then it is virtually certain that you are either someone with no principles, someone who cares only about partisan advantage and nothing about basic civil liberties and the rule of law, or both. There is simply no way for anyone of good faith to read this IG Report and reach any conclusion other than that this is yet another instance of the FBI abusing its power in severe ways to subvert and undermine U.S. democracy. If you don’t care about that, what do you care about?"

    https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/?fbclid=IwAR09_yeI_qVd1pU7oi_7xvyW9tJtDLjE4fxDDGBNjRXCcMmO49o7PqZNkjo

    The left does not

    As has been proven once again by this blatant abuse of power that alleged liberals like the bear applaud because their team did it

    Disgusting

    Its the same fucking FBI that spied on MLK and called him a Russian agent. The playbook never changes

    The only thing that has changed is the leftists use it for their ends now

    Stoke and his bitch didn't decide to do this on their own and Comey wasn't the top. The lack of any curiosity speaks volumes after the lefties spent three years lying and denying it happened

    So tell me who is really helping Putin? According to the democrats own witness it is the democrats by sowing distrust in our election and our President

    Your news source is lying to you Race.
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  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,458 Founders Club
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    RaceBannon said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    "If it does not bother you to learn that the FBI repeatedly and deliberately deceived the FISA court into granting it permission to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign, then it is virtually certain that you are either someone with no principles, someone who cares only about partisan advantage and nothing about basic civil liberties and the rule of law, or both. There is simply no way for anyone of good faith to read this IG Report and reach any conclusion other than that this is yet another instance of the FBI abusing its power in severe ways to subvert and undermine U.S. democracy. If you don’t care about that, what do you care about?"

    https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/?fbclid=IwAR09_yeI_qVd1pU7oi_7xvyW9tJtDLjE4fxDDGBNjRXCcMmO49o7PqZNkjo

    The left does not

    As has been proven once again by this blatant abuse of power that alleged liberals like the bear applaud because their team did it

    Disgusting

    Its the same fucking FBI that spied on MLK and called him a Russian agent. The playbook never changes

    The only thing that has changed is the leftists use it for their ends now

    Stoke and his bitch didn't decide to do this on their own and Comey wasn't the top. The lack of any curiosity speaks volumes after the lefties spent three years lying and denying it happened

    So tell me who is really helping Putin? According to the democrats own witness it is the democrats by sowing distrust in our election and our President

    Your news source is lying to you Race.
    Christianity Today is my news source
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  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 32,072
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    RaceBannon said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    "If it does not bother you to learn that the FBI repeatedly and deliberately deceived the FISA court into granting it permission to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign, then it is virtually certain that you are either someone with no principles, someone who cares only about partisan advantage and nothing about basic civil liberties and the rule of law, or both. There is simply no way for anyone of good faith to read this IG Report and reach any conclusion other than that this is yet another instance of the FBI abusing its power in severe ways to subvert and undermine U.S. democracy. If you don’t care about that, what do you care about?"

    https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/?fbclid=IwAR09_yeI_qVd1pU7oi_7xvyW9tJtDLjE4fxDDGBNjRXCcMmO49o7PqZNkjo

    The left does not

    As has been proven once again by this blatant abuse of power that alleged liberals like the bear applaud because their team did it

    Disgusting

    Its the same fucking FBI that spied on MLK and called him a Russian agent. The playbook never changes

    The only thing that has changed is the leftists use it for their ends now

    Stoke and his bitch didn't decide to do this on their own and Comey wasn't the top. The lack of any curiosity speaks volumes after the lefties spent three years lying and denying it happened

    So tell me who is really helping Putin? According to the democrats own witness it is the democrats by sowing distrust in our election and our President

    But really, you mean the people that talk about ending the electoral college, packing the supreme court to over rule the constitution, setting restrictions on the BOR, etc. don't care about Democracy?!?!
    And when they are doing all of that they cry about how Trump is undermining our institutions, norms and democracy.
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  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,970 Standard Supporter
    edited December 2019
    We're (?) not a democracy.

    Never have been.

    Basic civics, you know.


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  • SoutherndawgSoutherndawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,295 Founders Club
    Sounds like some of us care for our Republic and the rule of law. Refreshing.
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  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,673 Swaye's Wigwam
    Southerndawg said:

    Sounds like some of us care for our Republic and the rule of law. Refreshing.

    It's nice to see that even some people on the Left have enough integrity and objectivity to see past the immediate implications of this.
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  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,970 Standard Supporter
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Southerndawg said:

    Sounds like some of us care for our Republic and the rule of law. Refreshing.

    It's nice to see that even some people on the Left have enough integrity and objectivity to see past the immediate implications of this.
    Who.gif?

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  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,673 Swaye's Wigwam
    PurpleThrobber said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Southerndawg said:

    Sounds like some of us care for our Republic and the rule of law. Refreshing.

    It's nice to see that even some people on the Left have enough integrity and objectivity to see past the immediate implications of this.
    Who.gif?

    Glenn Greenwald, the author of this article, is definitely "on the left".

    Definitely no one in the tug.
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  • HustlinOwlHustlinOwl Member Posts: 953
    PurpleThrobber said:

    We're (?) not a democracy.

    Never have been.

    Basic civics, you know.


    The Throbber beat me to it. We're not a democracy and the Constitution, for how awesome it is, leans toward the elite maintaining power. Same as it's ever been(Alabama Football).
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  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 5,962 Standard Supporter
    HustlinOwl said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    We're (?) not a democracy.

    Never have been.

    Basic civics, you know.

    The Throbber beat me to it. We're not a democracy and the Constitution, for how awesome it is, leans toward the elite maintaining power. Same as it's ever been(Alabama Football).
    Way to NOT address the issue of the FBI owl.
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  • 2001400ex2001400ex Member Posts: 29,457
    edited December 2019
    USMChawk said:

    HustlinOwl said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    We're (?) not a democracy.

    Never have been.

    Basic civics, you know.


    The Throbber beat me to it. We're not a democracy and the Constitution, for how awesome it is, leans toward the elite maintaining power. Same as it's ever been(Alabama Football).
    The founders recognize that a government is necessary and that those in government would be tempted to overstep their mandates. The Constitution is intended to limit that overreach.
    Hate to tell you this. But you won't overthrow the government with guns. I get that's a rallying cry for the simple minded. But in a representative republic, you overthrow the government at the ballot box. And you got your wish with Trump. Who clearly never oversteps his constitutional authority and drained the swamp.
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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,652 Standard Supporter
    edited December 2019
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Jfc we use democracy as short hand for constitutional representative republic. Now tell me how that changes the fact that the FBI is subverting the democratic process by spying on opposition parties. The *crickets from the CDBros is notable in this thread.

    Then ends justify the means crowd has to be stomped down. Hopefully by elections and not other means. But two can play the ends justify the means game. Preventing the millions of illegals voting is step one.
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  • HustlinOwlHustlinOwl Member Posts: 953
    Sledog said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Jfc we use democracy as short hand for constitutional representative republic. Now tell me how that changes the fact that the FBI is subverting the democratic process by spying on opposition parties. The *crickets from the CDBros is notable in this thread.

    Then ends justify the means crowd has to be stomped down. Hopefully by elections and not other means. But two can play the ends justify the means game. Preventing the millions of illegals voting is step one.
    Your belief that millions of illegals are voting is proof you shouldn't be allowed to vote as well.
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  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 33,652 Standard Supporter
    HustlinOwl said:

    Sledog said:

    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Jfc we use democracy as short hand for constitutional representative republic. Now tell me how that changes the fact that the FBI is subverting the democratic process by spying on opposition parties. The *crickets from the CDBros is notable in this thread.

    Then ends justify the means crowd has to be stomped down. Hopefully by elections and not other means. But two can play the ends justify the means game. Preventing the millions of illegals voting is step one.
    Your belief that millions of illegals are voting is proof you shouldn't be allowed to vote as well.
    Why do you think Democrat controlled states won't audit their voting rolls? Kali automatically registered them when they get illegal drivers niceness unless they opt out. In fact they designed the computer system so it does not identify illegals at all so they can't be discriminated against.
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