Do you care about democracy?

UW_Doog_Bot

"If it does not bother you to learn that the FBI repeatedly and deliberately deceived the FISA court into granting it permission to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign, then it is virtually certain that you are either someone with no principles, someone who cares only about partisan advantage and nothing about basic civil liberties and the rule of law, or both. There is simply no way for anyone of good faith to read this IG Report and reach any conclusion other than that this is yet another instance of the FBI abusing its power in severe ways to subvert and undermine U.S. democracy. If you don’t care about that, what do you care about?"

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/?fbclid=IwAR09_yeI_qVd1pU7oi_7xvyW9tJtDLjE4fxDDGBNjRXCcMmO49o7PqZNkjo

2001400ex

UW_Doog_Bot said:

"If it does not bother you to learn that the FBI repeatedly and deliberately deceived the FISA court into granting it permission to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign, then it is virtually certain that you are either someone with no principles, someone who cares only about partisan advantage and nothing about basic civil liberties and the rule of law, or both. There is simply no way for anyone of good faith to read this IG Report and reach any conclusion other than that this is yet another instance of the FBI abusing its power in severe ways to subvert and undermine U.S. democracy. If you don’t care about that, what do you care about?"

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/?fbclid=IwAR09_yeI_qVd1pU7oi_7xvyW9tJtDLjE4fxDDGBNjRXCcMmO49o7PqZNkjo

I think most people, including me, do care about it. However, most sane people also realize that there was no evidence that Obama or Hillary were involved and no one spied on Trump's campaign. Both assertions your news media pumped for 3 years and is now trying to defend.

RaceBannon

UW_Doog_Bot said:

"If it does not bother you to learn that the FBI repeatedly and deliberately deceived the FISA court into granting it permission to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign, then it is virtually certain that you are either someone with no principles, someone who cares only about partisan advantage and nothing about basic civil liberties and the rule of law, or both. There is simply no way for anyone of good faith to read this IG Report and reach any conclusion other than that this is yet another instance of the FBI abusing its power in severe ways to subvert and undermine U.S. democracy. If you don’t care about that, what do you care about?"

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/?fbclid=IwAR09_yeI_qVd1pU7oi_7xvyW9tJtDLjE4fxDDGBNjRXCcMmO49o7PqZNkjo

The left does not

As has been proven once again by this blatant abuse of power that alleged liberals like the bear applaud because their team did it

Disgusting

Its the same fucking FBI that spied on MLK and called him a Russian agent. The playbook never changes

The only thing that has changed is the leftists use it for their ends now

Stoke and his bitch didn't decide to do this on their own and Comey wasn't the top. The lack of any curiosity speaks volumes after the lefties spent three years lying and denying it happened

So tell me who is really helping Putin? According to the democrats own witness it is the democrats by sowing distrust in our election and our President

UW_Doog_Bot

RaceBannon said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

"If it does not bother you to learn that the FBI repeatedly and deliberately deceived the FISA court into granting it permission to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign, then it is virtually certain that you are either someone with no principles, someone who cares only about partisan advantage and nothing about basic civil liberties and the rule of law, or both. There is simply no way for anyone of good faith to read this IG Report and reach any conclusion other than that this is yet another instance of the FBI abusing its power in severe ways to subvert and undermine U.S. democracy. If you don’t care about that, what do you care about?"

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/?fbclid=IwAR09_yeI_qVd1pU7oi_7xvyW9tJtDLjE4fxDDGBNjRXCcMmO49o7PqZNkjo

The left does not

As has been proven once again by this blatant abuse of power that alleged liberals like the bear applaud because their team did it

Disgusting

Its the same fucking FBI that spied on MLK and called him a Russian agent. The playbook never changes

The only thing that has changed is the leftists use it for their ends now

Stoke and his bitch didn't decide to do this on their own and Comey wasn't the top. The lack of any curiosity speaks volumes after the lefties spent three years lying and denying it happened

So tell me who is really helping Putin? According to the democrats own witness it is the democrats by sowing distrust in our election and our President

Your news source is lying to you Race.

RaceBannon

UW_Doog_Bot said:

RaceBannon said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

"If it does not bother you to learn that the FBI repeatedly and deliberately deceived the FISA court into granting it permission to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign, then it is virtually certain that you are either someone with no principles, someone who cares only about partisan advantage and nothing about basic civil liberties and the rule of law, or both. There is simply no way for anyone of good faith to read this IG Report and reach any conclusion other than that this is yet another instance of the FBI abusing its power in severe ways to subvert and undermine U.S. democracy. If you don’t care about that, what do you care about?"

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/?fbclid=IwAR09_yeI_qVd1pU7oi_7xvyW9tJtDLjE4fxDDGBNjRXCcMmO49o7PqZNkjo

The left does not

As has been proven once again by this blatant abuse of power that alleged liberals like the bear applaud because their team did it

Disgusting

Its the same fucking FBI that spied on MLK and called him a Russian agent. The playbook never changes

The only thing that has changed is the leftists use it for their ends now

Stoke and his bitch didn't decide to do this on their own and Comey wasn't the top. The lack of any curiosity speaks volumes after the lefties spent three years lying and denying it happened

So tell me who is really helping Putin? According to the democrats own witness it is the democrats by sowing distrust in our election and our President

Your news source is lying to you Race.

Christianity Today is my news source

UW_Doog_Bot

RaceBannon said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

"If it does not bother you to learn that the FBI repeatedly and deliberately deceived the FISA court into granting it permission to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign, then it is virtually certain that you are either someone with no principles, someone who cares only about partisan advantage and nothing about basic civil liberties and the rule of law, or both. There is simply no way for anyone of good faith to read this IG Report and reach any conclusion other than that this is yet another instance of the FBI abusing its power in severe ways to subvert and undermine U.S. democracy. If you don’t care about that, what do you care about?"

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/?fbclid=IwAR09_yeI_qVd1pU7oi_7xvyW9tJtDLjE4fxDDGBNjRXCcMmO49o7PqZNkjo

The left does not

As has been proven once again by this blatant abuse of power that alleged liberals like the bear applaud because their team did it

Disgusting

Its the same fucking FBI that spied on MLK and called him a Russian agent. The playbook never changes

The only thing that has changed is the leftists use it for their ends now

Stoke and his bitch didn't decide to do this on their own and Comey wasn't the top. The lack of any curiosity speaks volumes after the lefties spent three years lying and denying it happened

So tell me who is really helping Putin? According to the democrats own witness it is the democrats by sowing distrust in our election and our President

But really, you mean the people that talk about ending the electoral college, packing the supreme court to over rule the constitution, setting restrictions on the BOR, etc. don't care about Democracy?!?!

MikeDamone

Democracy is the oppression of the smallest minority, the individual. That’s why we don’t have it.

For some reason the left thinks a farmer who owns 1000 acres and produces food for millions of people shouldn’t be heard because they don’t live in a tightly packed metropolitan area with people who own no property and produce poverty.

SFGbob

UW_Doog_Bot said:

RaceBannon said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

"If it does not bother you to learn that the FBI repeatedly and deliberately deceived the FISA court into granting it permission to spy on a U.S. citizen in the middle of a presidential campaign, then it is virtually certain that you are either someone with no principles, someone who cares only about partisan advantage and nothing about basic civil liberties and the rule of law, or both. There is simply no way for anyone of good faith to read this IG Report and reach any conclusion other than that this is yet another instance of the FBI abusing its power in severe ways to subvert and undermine U.S. democracy. If you don’t care about that, what do you care about?"

https://theintercept.com/2019/12/12/the-inspector-generals-report-on-2016-fb-i-spying-reveals-a-scandal-of-historic-magnitude-not-only-for-the-fbi-but-also-the-u-s-media/?fbclid=IwAR09_yeI_qVd1pU7oi_7xvyW9tJtDLjE4fxDDGBNjRXCcMmO49o7PqZNkjo

The left does not

As has been proven once again by this blatant abuse of power that alleged liberals like the bear applaud because their team did it

Disgusting

Its the same fucking FBI that spied on MLK and called him a Russian agent. The playbook never changes

The only thing that has changed is the leftists use it for their ends now

Stoke and his bitch didn't decide to do this on their own and Comey wasn't the top. The lack of any curiosity speaks volumes after the lefties spent three years lying and denying it happened

So tell me who is really helping Putin? According to the democrats own witness it is the democrats by sowing distrust in our election and our President

But really, you mean the people that talk about ending the electoral college, packing the supreme court to over rule the constitution, setting restrictions on the BOR, etc. don't care about Democracy?!?!

And when they are doing all of that they cry about how Trump is undermining our institutions, norms and democracy.

PurpleThrobber

We're (?) not a democracy.

Never have been.

Basic civics, you know.

Southerndawg

Sounds like some of us care for our Republic and the rule of law. Refreshing.

UW_Doog_Bot

Southerndawg said:

Sounds like some of us care for our Republic and the rule of law. Refreshing.

It's nice to see that even some people on the Left have enough integrity and objectivity to see past the immediate implications of this.

PurpleThrobber

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Southerndawg said:

Sounds like some of us care for our Republic and the rule of law. Refreshing.

It's nice to see that even some people on the Left have enough integrity and objectivity to see past the immediate implications of this.

Who.gif?

UW_Doog_Bot

PurpleThrobber said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Southerndawg said:

Sounds like some of us care for our Republic and the rule of law. Refreshing.

It's nice to see that even some people on the Left have enough integrity and objectivity to see past the immediate implications of this.

Who.gif?

Glenn Greenwald, the author of this article, is definitely "on the left".

Definitely no one in the tug.

HustlinOwl

PurpleThrobber said:

We're (?) not a democracy.

Never have been.

Basic civics, you know.

The Throbber beat me to it. We're not a democracy and the Constitution, for how awesome it is, leans toward the elite maintaining power. Same as it's ever been(Alabama Football).

Bendintheriver

HustlinOwl said:

PurpleThrobber said:

We're (?) not a democracy.

Never have been.

Basic civics, you know.

The Throbber beat me to it. We're not a democracy and the Constitution, for how awesome it is, leans toward the elite maintaining power. Same as it's ever been(Alabama Football).

Way to NOT address the issue of the FBI owl.

USMChawk

HustlinOwl said:

PurpleThrobber said:

We're (?) not a democracy.

Never have been.

Basic civics, you know.

The Throbber beat me to it. We're not a democracy and the Constitution, for how awesome it is, leans toward the elite maintaining power. Same as it's ever been(Alabama Football).

The founders recognize that a government is necessary and that those in government would be tempted to overstep their mandates. The Constitution is intended to limit that overreach.

UW_Doog_Bot

Jfc we use democracy as short hand for constitutional representative republic. Now tell me how that changes the fact that the FBI is subverting the democratic process by spying on opposition parties. The *crickets from the CDBros is notable in this thread.

2001400ex

USMChawk said:

HustlinOwl said:

PurpleThrobber said:

We're (?) not a democracy.

Never have been.

Basic civics, you know.

The Throbber beat me to it. We're not a democracy and the Constitution, for how awesome it is, leans toward the elite maintaining power. Same as it's ever been(Alabama Football).

The founders recognize that a government is necessary and that those in government would be tempted to overstep their mandates. The Constitution is intended to limit that overreach.

Hate to tell you this. But you won't overthrow the government with guns. I get that's a rallying cry for the simple minded. But in a representative republic, you overthrow the government at the ballot box. And you got your wish with Trump. Who clearly never oversteps his constitutional authority and drained the swamp.

Sledog

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Jfc we use democracy as short hand for constitutional representative republic. Now tell me how that changes the fact that the FBI is subverting the democratic process by spying on opposition parties. The *crickets from the CDBros is notable in this thread.

Then ends justify the means crowd has to be stomped down. Hopefully by elections and not other means. But two can play the ends justify the means game. Preventing the millions of illegals voting is step one.

HustlinOwl

Sledog said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Jfc we use democracy as short hand for constitutional representative republic. Now tell me how that changes the fact that the FBI is subverting the democratic process by spying on opposition parties. The *crickets from the CDBros is notable in this thread.

Then ends justify the means crowd has to be stomped down. Hopefully by elections and not other means. But two can play the ends justify the means game. Preventing the millions of illegals voting is step one.

Your belief that millions of illegals are voting is proof you shouldn't be allowed to vote as well.

Sledog

HustlinOwl said:

Sledog said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Jfc we use democracy as short hand for constitutional representative republic. Now tell me how that changes the fact that the FBI is subverting the democratic process by spying on opposition parties. The *crickets from the CDBros is notable in this thread.

Then ends justify the means crowd has to be stomped down. Hopefully by elections and not other means. But two can play the ends justify the means game. Preventing the millions of illegals voting is step one.

Your belief that millions of illegals are voting is proof you shouldn't be allowed to vote as well.

Why do you think Democrat controlled states won't audit their voting rolls? Kali automatically registered them when they get illegal drivers niceness unless they opt out. In fact they designed the computer system so it does not identify illegals at all so they can't be discriminated against.