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Justin Flowe - 4* 2020 LB - Upland (HS), CA - (Offered 1/29/18)
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If his position group is any indication there will be a shift going forward. Lake's never hesitated to start young talent.RaceBannon said:DoogCourics said:
@RaceBannon, that is kind of to my point. The last 3 classes (especially the last two) that have been so highly touted would be RS Soph, RE Frosh, and True Frosh. And we haven’t seen jack shit of them on the field. Then we get Bynum, Puka, and McDuffie on the field and they ball out.RaceBannon said:
I appreciate you and @dnc trying to keep it real but I;m not sure saying we have more talent and still lose to them and go 7-5 because our coaches suck makes me feel much betterDoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
I've seen these tweets even though I don't follow recruiting. Then I see our DAWGS look worse on the field. Fuck
Throw in this class and that’s the 4 years.
The best years of the recruiting have been these last 4 classes, but we haven’t seen them on the field.
Meanwhile Oregon’s young dudes from these classes are getting a ton of run.
That to me is just more coaching fuck ups tacked on top of the in game decisions. The older guys didn’t develop as well as in the past, and then the young thouroughbreds you brought in that are the best classes you’ve ever had are left in the stable.
Here’s to hoping Lake remedies that shit.
Lake owes nothing to nobody when it comes to playing time. I hate the concept of seniority as a business tool. The best producers play and I don't care if we hired someone last month if he has a brain he moves up.
The second half of the Revelation of St James was playing his hot new recruits over the 7-5 guys that were older.
Do it Jimmy
SMFJ started as a true frosh
Budda started as a true frosh
Rapp started as a true frosh
Cam Wiliams, #MyMcDuffie and Asa all saw starts as true frosh this year.
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I get the sense that you think this is a bigger deal than it really is. Let's just quit pulling each other's dicks on these marginal issues and get to the fucking heart of the matter: Washington has had all the momentum over Oregon as a program with every conceivable advantage the last several years, and despite that Oregon is, at worst, going toe to toe with Washington in recruiting. But now you want to hyper-focus on one potential narrative out of an entire sea of bullshit that gets regularly said during all recruiting processes?whuggy said:
Diaz hanging on by a thread. Saban ain't got much longer. Whether Mario is a candidate or not doesn't matter. Other teams will now use it to recruit against him. Tables are turned.creepycoug said:
Bama? I'm not sure I'd want someone stupid enuff to believe that, even by teen boy football standards. Miami? Eh, I joke about it, but is that really going to happen?whuggy said:
The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.creepycoug said:
In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:DoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
> Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.
> Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.
> Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.
Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?
And that's a lot of Jimmy. I'm not sure the rest of the world was as enamored with him as this crowd has been.
We shall see what he's made of now. But I don't think this or that coach leaving is a huge recruiting issue. Maybe it is; I don't know. I just know that it's a good problem to have.
Ok! Sounds scary for Oregon. Bottom line is really fucking simple, yet eludes doogs: Cristobal can simply recruit like a mother fucker. Period. Everybody outside of doogville knew that before he showed up. He did it at Miami, he did it at Rutgers and he did it at Bama. But now that Oregon can't scare recruits into thinking that Washington's "meh" one-season D coordinator who had a nice run with DBs isn't leaving, it's game on! Lolz. I don't think "Jimmy's leaving" is the secret sauce, but what do I know?
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Rumor is Oregon brought up race again to land Flowe. If anyone deserves to get screwed, it's Johnny Nansen.
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race agin?sonics1993 said:Rumor is Oregon race agin to land Flowe. If anyone deserves to get screwed, it's Johnny Nansen.
Also, any truth that Ringo might have actually signed with Oregon? -
Huh?sonics1993 said:Rumor is Oregon race agin to land Flowe.
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Yeah there's this perception in LA right now that Nansen favors poly linebackers for playing time and heard Oregon ran with that perception and used it to close. It also doesn't help that Flowe didn't have a great relationship with Nansen but man does Oregon will saying anything to get a recruit. I guess that what makes Mario a great closer. As far as Ringo, I have no clue.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
race agin?sonics1993 said:Rumor is Oregon race agin to land Flowe. If anyone deserves to get screwed, it's Johnny Nansen.
Also, any truth that Ringo might have actually signed with Oregon? -
Sorry I fixed it, hate using mobile since it's so hard for me to type.HuskyClaws said:
Huh?sonics1993 said:Rumor is Oregon race agin to land Flowe.
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sonics1993 said:
Rumor is Oregon brought up race again to land Flowe. If anyone deserves to get screwed, it's Johnny Nansen.
It's fairly clear as to why the other coaches voted the way they did in the Pac 12 awards. Mario will say anything, including the race card, to pull players. It's not jealousy, it's hatred of the guy. He learned his lessons well down South.sonics1993 said:
Yeah there's this perception in LA right now that Nansen favors poly linebackers for playing time and heard Oregon ran with that perception and used it to close. It also doesn't help that Flowe didn't have a great relationship with Nansen but man does Oregon will saying anything to get a recruit. I guess that what makes Mario a great closer. As far as Ringo, I have no clue.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
race agin?sonics1993 said:Rumor is Oregon race agin to land Flowe. If anyone deserves to get screwed, it's Johnny Nansen.
Also, any truth that Ringo might have actually signed with Oregon? -
Everything matters. Big or little. Mario can recruit. No doubt. The guy's willing to play any card. That's why the other conference coaches hate him. Just saying the Jimmy leaving card is out of the deck now and the race card that has been played is also gone. Neither one of us can predict the future as to the effect other than he's gonna have to work a little harder to negatively recruit UW now. I think we can probably agree on that.creepycoug said:
I get the sense that you think this is a bigger deal than it really is. Let's just quit pulling each other's dicks on these marginal issues and get to the fucking heart of the matter: Washington has had all the momentum over Oregon as a program with every conceivable advantage the last several years, and despite that Oregon is, at worst, going toe to toe with Washington in recruiting. But now you want to hyper-focus on one potential narrative out of an entire sea of bullshit that gets regularly said during all recruiting processes?whuggy said:
Diaz hanging on by a thread. Saban ain't got much longer. Whether Mario is a candidate or not doesn't matter. Other teams will now use it to recruit against him. Tables are turned.creepycoug said:
Bama? I'm not sure I'd want someone stupid enuff to believe that, even by teen boy football standards. Miami? Eh, I joke about it, but is that really going to happen?whuggy said:
The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.creepycoug said:
In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:DoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
> Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.
> Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.
> Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.
Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?
And that's a lot of Jimmy. I'm not sure the rest of the world was as enamored with him as this crowd has been.
We shall see what he's made of now. But I don't think this or that coach leaving is a huge recruiting issue. Maybe it is; I don't know. I just know that it's a good problem to have.
Ok! Sounds scary for Oregon. Bottom line is really fucking simple, yet eludes doogs: Cristobal can simply recruit like a mother fucker. Period. Everybody outside of doogville knew that before he showed up. He did it at Miami, he did it at Rutgers and he did it at Bama. But now that Oregon can't scare recruits into thinking that Washington's "meh" one-season D coordinator who had a nice run with DBs isn't leaving, it's game on! Lolz. I don't think "Jimmy's leaving" is the secret sauce, but what do I know? -
These dirty tactics are very coming in other major conferences. The Pac 12 will have to adjust. There's winning the right way, and just flat out winning. Everybody wants to win the right way, but people will settle for just flat out winning.whuggy said:
Everything matters. Big or little. Mario can recruit. No doubt. The guy's willing to play any card. That's why the other conference coaches hate him. Just saying the Jimmy leaving card is out of the deck now and the race card that has been played is also gone. Neither one of us can predict the future as to the effect other than he's gonna have to work a little harder to negatively recruit UW now. I think we can probably agree on that.creepycoug said:
I get the sense that you think this is a bigger deal than it really is. Let's just quit pulling each other's dicks on these marginal issues and get to the fucking heart of the matter: Washington has had all the momentum over Oregon as a program with every conceivable advantage the last several years, and despite that Oregon is, at worst, going toe to toe with Washington in recruiting. But now you want to hyper-focus on one potential narrative out of an entire sea of bullshit that gets regularly said during all recruiting processes?whuggy said:
Diaz hanging on by a thread. Saban ain't got much longer. Whether Mario is a candidate or not doesn't matter. Other teams will now use it to recruit against him. Tables are turned.creepycoug said:
Bama? I'm not sure I'd want someone stupid enuff to believe that, even by teen boy football standards. Miami? Eh, I joke about it, but is that really going to happen?whuggy said:
The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.creepycoug said:
In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:DoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
> Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.
> Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.
> Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.
Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?
And that's a lot of Jimmy. I'm not sure the rest of the world was as enamored with him as this crowd has been.
We shall see what he's made of now. But I don't think this or that coach leaving is a huge recruiting issue. Maybe it is; I don't know. I just know that it's a good problem to have.
Ok! Sounds scary for Oregon. Bottom line is really fucking simple, yet eludes doogs: Cristobal can simply recruit like a mother fucker. Period. Everybody outside of doogville knew that before he showed up. He did it at Miami, he did it at Rutgers and he did it at Bama. But now that Oregon can't scare recruits into thinking that Washington's "meh" one-season D coordinator who had a nice run with DBs isn't leaving, it's game on! Lolz. I don't think "Jimmy's leaving" is the secret sauce, but what do I know? -
Damn.sonics1993 said:Rumor is Oregon brought up race again to land Flowe. If anyone deserves to get screwed, it's Johnny Nansen.
Mario is like if @Dennis_DeYoung or @LaMichael_Corleone were college coaches. -
Is that what you're hearing from Kim's hot blonde intern?sonics1993 said:Rumor is Oregon brought up race again to land Flowe. If anyone deserves to get screwed, it's Johnny Nansen.
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Glad I came to the thread late to see @RaceBannon & @dnc make up as I scrolled, rather than have to wait agonized minutes
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Doog post of the day. I guess you're back to "Golly gee. Washington is doing it the right way." JFC. It's almost like you don't know that recruiting is a competitive business.sonics1993 said:
Yeah there's this perception in LA right now that Nansen favors poly linebackers for playing time and heard Oregon ran with that perception and used it to close. It also doesn't help that Flowe didn't have a great relationship with Nansen but man does Oregon will saying anything to get a recruit. I guess that what makes Mario a great closer. As far as Ringo, I have no clue.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
race agin?sonics1993 said:Rumor is Oregon race agin to land Flowe. If anyone deserves to get screwed, it's Johnny Nansen.
Also, any truth that Ringo might have actually signed with Oregon?
Listen, I don't recall anybody ever bitching about Cristoball's recruiting tactics at any prior stop, and he's been a known quantity to me since the late 90s when he was instrumental in putting together one of the best talent runs at one program in cfb history. Didn't he get some award for being an elite recruiter at bama? At bama??? Nobody says anything off color down south, right? When he went with Schiano to Rutgers, he was stealing guys from the Florida big 3 left and right, and nobody, not even the Miami people, who are are most likely to be pissed about it, ever spread innuendo.
I've been saying this since the early scout days: few fans can curmudgeon and sour grape like a Washington Husky. Your last few posts have been @Ballz-level embarrassing.
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There is nothing dirty going on. None of these doogs have ever been in a room with Jimmy Slickballz or Tosh or any other Husky recruiter and vetted what's come out of their mouths.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
These dirty tactics are very coming in other major conferences. The Pac 12 will have to adjust. There's winning the right way, and just flat out winning. Everybody wants to win the right way, but people will settle for just flat out winning.whuggy said:
Everything matters. Big or little. Mario can recruit. No doubt. The guy's willing to play any card. That's why the other conference coaches hate him. Just saying the Jimmy leaving card is out of the deck now and the race card that has been played is also gone. Neither one of us can predict the future as to the effect other than he's gonna have to work a little harder to negatively recruit UW now. I think we can probably agree on that.creepycoug said:
I get the sense that you think this is a bigger deal than it really is. Let's just quit pulling each other's dicks on these marginal issues and get to the fucking heart of the matter: Washington has had all the momentum over Oregon as a program with every conceivable advantage the last several years, and despite that Oregon is, at worst, going toe to toe with Washington in recruiting. But now you want to hyper-focus on one potential narrative out of an entire sea of bullshit that gets regularly said during all recruiting processes?whuggy said:
Diaz hanging on by a thread. Saban ain't got much longer. Whether Mario is a candidate or not doesn't matter. Other teams will now use it to recruit against him. Tables are turned.creepycoug said:
Bama? I'm not sure I'd want someone stupid enuff to believe that, even by teen boy football standards. Miami? Eh, I joke about it, but is that really going to happen?whuggy said:
The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.creepycoug said:
In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:DoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
> Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.
> Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.
> Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.
Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?
And that's a lot of Jimmy. I'm not sure the rest of the world was as enamored with him as this crowd has been.
We shall see what he's made of now. But I don't think this or that coach leaving is a huge recruiting issue. Maybe it is; I don't know. I just know that it's a good problem to have.
Ok! Sounds scary for Oregon. Bottom line is really fucking simple, yet eludes doogs: Cristobal can simply recruit like a mother fucker. Period. Everybody outside of doogville knew that before he showed up. He did it at Miami, he did it at Rutgers and he did it at Bama. But now that Oregon can't scare recruits into thinking that Washington's "meh" one-season D coordinator who had a nice run with DBs isn't leaving, it's game on! Lolz. I don't think "Jimmy's leaving" is the secret sauce, but what do I know?
Prove it or shut up. -
Everyone pays. Who cares?creepycoug said:
Doog post of the day. I guess you're back to "Golly gee. Washington is doing it the right way." JFC. It's almost like you don't know that recruiting is a competitive business.sonics1993 said:
Yeah there's this perception in LA right now that Nansen favors poly linebackers for playing time and heard Oregon ran with that perception and used it to close. It also doesn't help that Flowe didn't have a great relationship with Nansen but man does Oregon will saying anything to get a recruit. I guess that what makes Mario a great closer. As far as Ringo, I have no clue.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
race agin?sonics1993 said:Rumor is Oregon race agin to land Flowe. If anyone deserves to get screwed, it's Johnny Nansen.
Also, any truth that Ringo might have actually signed with Oregon?
Listen, I don't recall anybody ever bitching about Cristoball's recruiting tactics at any prior stop, and he's been a known quantity to me since the late 90s when he was instrumental in putting together one of the best talent runs at one program in cfb history. Didn't he get some award for being an elite recruiter at bama? At bama??? Nobody says anything off color down south, right? When he went with Schiano to Rutgers, he was stealing guys from the Florida big 3 left and right, and nobody, not even the Miami people, who are are most likely to be pissed about it, ever spread innuendo.
I've been saying this since the early scout days: few fans can curmudgeon and sour grape like a Washington Husky. Your last few posts have been @Ballz-level embarrassing. -
You're over your skis herecreepycoug said:
There is nothing dirty going on. None of these doogs have ever been in a room with Jimmy Slickballz or Tosh or any other Husky recruiter and vetted what's come out of their mouths.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
These dirty tactics are very coming in other major conferences. The Pac 12 will have to adjust. There's winning the right way, and just flat out winning. Everybody wants to win the right way, but people will settle for just flat out winning.whuggy said:
Everything matters. Big or little. Mario can recruit. No doubt. The guy's willing to play any card. That's why the other conference coaches hate him. Just saying the Jimmy leaving card is out of the deck now and the race card that has been played is also gone. Neither one of us can predict the future as to the effect other than he's gonna have to work a little harder to negatively recruit UW now. I think we can probably agree on that.creepycoug said:
I get the sense that you think this is a bigger deal than it really is. Let's just quit pulling each other's dicks on these marginal issues and get to the fucking heart of the matter: Washington has had all the momentum over Oregon as a program with every conceivable advantage the last several years, and despite that Oregon is, at worst, going toe to toe with Washington in recruiting. But now you want to hyper-focus on one potential narrative out of an entire sea of bullshit that gets regularly said during all recruiting processes?whuggy said:
Diaz hanging on by a thread. Saban ain't got much longer. Whether Mario is a candidate or not doesn't matter. Other teams will now use it to recruit against him. Tables are turned.creepycoug said:
Bama? I'm not sure I'd want someone stupid enuff to believe that, even by teen boy football standards. Miami? Eh, I joke about it, but is that really going to happen?whuggy said:
The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.creepycoug said:
In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:DoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
> Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.
> Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.
> Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.
Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?
And that's a lot of Jimmy. I'm not sure the rest of the world was as enamored with him as this crowd has been.
We shall see what he's made of now. But I don't think this or that coach leaving is a huge recruiting issue. Maybe it is; I don't know. I just know that it's a good problem to have.
Ok! Sounds scary for Oregon. Bottom line is really fucking simple, yet eludes doogs: Cristobal can simply recruit like a mother fucker. Period. Everybody outside of doogville knew that before he showed up. He did it at Miami, he did it at Rutgers and he did it at Bama. But now that Oregon can't scare recruits into thinking that Washington's "meh" one-season D coordinator who had a nice run with DBs isn't leaving, it's game on! Lolz. I don't think "Jimmy's leaving" is the secret sauce, but what do I know?
Prove it or shut up.
Recruiting is a contact sport
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Huh?backthepack said:
Everyone pays. Who cares?creepycoug said:
Doog post of the day. I guess you're back to "Golly gee. Washington is doing it the right way." JFC. It's almost like you don't know that recruiting is a competitive business.sonics1993 said:
Yeah there's this perception in LA right now that Nansen favors poly linebackers for playing time and heard Oregon ran with that perception and used it to close. It also doesn't help that Flowe didn't have a great relationship with Nansen but man does Oregon will saying anything to get a recruit. I guess that what makes Mario a great closer. As far as Ringo, I have no clue.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
race agin?sonics1993 said:Rumor is Oregon race agin to land Flowe. If anyone deserves to get screwed, it's Johnny Nansen.
Also, any truth that Ringo might have actually signed with Oregon?
Listen, I don't recall anybody ever bitching about Cristoball's recruiting tactics at any prior stop, and he's been a known quantity to me since the late 90s when he was instrumental in putting together one of the best talent runs at one program in cfb history. Didn't he get some award for being an elite recruiter at bama? At bama??? Nobody says anything off color down south, right? When he went with Schiano to Rutgers, he was stealing guys from the Florida big 3 left and right, and nobody, not even the Miami people, who are are most likely to be pissed about it, ever spread innuendo.
I've been saying this since the early scout days: few fans can curmudgeon and sour grape like a Washington Husky. Your last few posts have been @Ballz-level embarrassing. -
I don't ski anymore, but it would seem your second comment is commensurate with my hot take.RaceBannon said:
You're over your skis herecreepycoug said:
There is nothing dirty going on. None of these doogs have ever been in a room with Jimmy Slickballz or Tosh or any other Husky recruiter and vetted what's come out of their mouths.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
These dirty tactics are very coming in other major conferences. The Pac 12 will have to adjust. There's winning the right way, and just flat out winning. Everybody wants to win the right way, but people will settle for just flat out winning.whuggy said:
Everything matters. Big or little. Mario can recruit. No doubt. The guy's willing to play any card. That's why the other conference coaches hate him. Just saying the Jimmy leaving card is out of the deck now and the race card that has been played is also gone. Neither one of us can predict the future as to the effect other than he's gonna have to work a little harder to negatively recruit UW now. I think we can probably agree on that.creepycoug said:
I get the sense that you think this is a bigger deal than it really is. Let's just quit pulling each other's dicks on these marginal issues and get to the fucking heart of the matter: Washington has had all the momentum over Oregon as a program with every conceivable advantage the last several years, and despite that Oregon is, at worst, going toe to toe with Washington in recruiting. But now you want to hyper-focus on one potential narrative out of an entire sea of bullshit that gets regularly said during all recruiting processes?whuggy said:
Diaz hanging on by a thread. Saban ain't got much longer. Whether Mario is a candidate or not doesn't matter. Other teams will now use it to recruit against him. Tables are turned.creepycoug said:
Bama? I'm not sure I'd want someone stupid enuff to believe that, even by teen boy football standards. Miami? Eh, I joke about it, but is that really going to happen?whuggy said:
The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.creepycoug said:
In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:DoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
> Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.
> Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.
> Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.
Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?
And that's a lot of Jimmy. I'm not sure the rest of the world was as enamored with him as this crowd has been.
We shall see what he's made of now. But I don't think this or that coach leaving is a huge recruiting issue. Maybe it is; I don't know. I just know that it's a good problem to have.
Ok! Sounds scary for Oregon. Bottom line is really fucking simple, yet eludes doogs: Cristobal can simply recruit like a mother fucker. Period. Everybody outside of doogville knew that before he showed up. He did it at Miami, he did it at Rutgers and he did it at Bama. But now that Oregon can't scare recruits into thinking that Washington's "meh" one-season D coordinator who had a nice run with DBs isn't leaving, it's game on! Lolz. I don't think "Jimmy's leaving" is the secret sauce, but what do I know?
Prove it or shut up.
Recruiting is a contact sport
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It was TL;DR poast but most doogs insinuate every time Oregon gets a guy or we lose out on a guy that they got a bag.creepycoug said:
Huh?backthepack said:
Everyone pays. Who cares?creepycoug said:
Doog post of the day. I guess you're back to "Golly gee. Washington is doing it the right way." JFC. It's almost like you don't know that recruiting is a competitive business.sonics1993 said:
Yeah there's this perception in LA right now that Nansen favors poly linebackers for playing time and heard Oregon ran with that perception and used it to close. It also doesn't help that Flowe didn't have a great relationship with Nansen but man does Oregon will saying anything to get a recruit. I guess that what makes Mario a great closer. As far as Ringo, I have no clue.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
race agin?sonics1993 said:Rumor is Oregon race agin to land Flowe. If anyone deserves to get screwed, it's Johnny Nansen.
Also, any truth that Ringo might have actually signed with Oregon?
Listen, I don't recall anybody ever bitching about Cristoball's recruiting tactics at any prior stop, and he's been a known quantity to me since the late 90s when he was instrumental in putting together one of the best talent runs at one program in cfb history. Didn't he get some award for being an elite recruiter at bama? At bama??? Nobody says anything off color down south, right? When he went with Schiano to Rutgers, he was stealing guys from the Florida big 3 left and right, and nobody, not even the Miami people, who are are most likely to be pissed about it, ever spread innuendo.
I've been saying this since the early scout days: few fans can curmudgeon and sour grape like a Washington Husky. Your last few posts have been @Ballz-level embarrassing.
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We do. Complaining about Oregon is stupidcreepycoug said:
I don't ski anymore, but it would seem your second comment is commensurate with my hot take.RaceBannon said:
You're over your skis herecreepycoug said:
There is nothing dirty going on. None of these doogs have ever been in a room with Jimmy Slickballz or Tosh or any other Husky recruiter and vetted what's come out of their mouths.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
These dirty tactics are very coming in other major conferences. The Pac 12 will have to adjust. There's winning the right way, and just flat out winning. Everybody wants to win the right way, but people will settle for just flat out winning.whuggy said:
Everything matters. Big or little. Mario can recruit. No doubt. The guy's willing to play any card. That's why the other conference coaches hate him. Just saying the Jimmy leaving card is out of the deck now and the race card that has been played is also gone. Neither one of us can predict the future as to the effect other than he's gonna have to work a little harder to negatively recruit UW now. I think we can probably agree on that.creepycoug said:
I get the sense that you think this is a bigger deal than it really is. Let's just quit pulling each other's dicks on these marginal issues and get to the fucking heart of the matter: Washington has had all the momentum over Oregon as a program with every conceivable advantage the last several years, and despite that Oregon is, at worst, going toe to toe with Washington in recruiting. But now you want to hyper-focus on one potential narrative out of an entire sea of bullshit that gets regularly said during all recruiting processes?whuggy said:
Diaz hanging on by a thread. Saban ain't got much longer. Whether Mario is a candidate or not doesn't matter. Other teams will now use it to recruit against him. Tables are turned.creepycoug said:
Bama? I'm not sure I'd want someone stupid enuff to believe that, even by teen boy football standards. Miami? Eh, I joke about it, but is that really going to happen?whuggy said:
The other side of that which you better believe is on the table is that there is now a role reversal. UW got recruited against Jimmy Lake possibly leaving. Now that switches to Mario and Miami/Bama.creepycoug said:
In Race's defense, you have to take context into consideration:DoogCourics said:whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
Really trying to understand where this narrative of Oregon Out recruiting UW over the last few years has come from. Because it’s been neck and neck. Oregon some higher rated kids, UW more depth in Blue Chips.Swaye said:
I thought it was pretty much neck and neck the last three years - this year included. We don't have a talent disparity with Oregon. We have poor in game coaching and no hair on our balls.whuggy said:I think it's fair to say Oregon has recruited slightly better than us in recent years. I also think it's fair to say that with all the talent in Washington in the 2021and 2022 classes, if UW doesn't have a better classes than the Ducks in those years then that would be a failure.
It’s been shit coaching and lack of development and playing some shitty older players over giving young dudes a chance.
And those numbers are even better when you look at 247 and not composite.
> Washington thinks it's the king of the North. So naturally, all else being equal, a kid will pick Washington just because Washington.
> Washington had the best coach in the Pac 12. Oregon has had two shit coaches in a row since Kelley and a new guy named Meat who is an overrated recruiter (because Bama recruits itself) with no proven track record.
> Washington has been stable since 2015, won the conference multiple tims and has been to NY6 bowls, while Oregon has been a shit show, going 4-8 just 5 minutes ago.
Against THAT backdrop, yes, Oregon has kicked Washington's ass. Said another way, what will this look like if it turns out Meat can coach and Oregon wins a little more?
And that's a lot of Jimmy. I'm not sure the rest of the world was as enamored with him as this crowd has been.
We shall see what he's made of now. But I don't think this or that coach leaving is a huge recruiting issue. Maybe it is; I don't know. I just know that it's a good problem to have.
Ok! Sounds scary for Oregon. Bottom line is really fucking simple, yet eludes doogs: Cristobal can simply recruit like a mother fucker. Period. Everybody outside of doogville knew that before he showed up. He did it at Miami, he did it at Rutgers and he did it at Bama. But now that Oregon can't scare recruits into thinking that Washington's "meh" one-season D coordinator who had a nice run with DBs isn't leaving, it's game on! Lolz. I don't think "Jimmy's leaving" is the secret sauce, but what do I know?
Prove it or shut up.
Recruiting is a contact sport
I'm always happier when we agree.
Try harder pay more do whatever
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Guess we hit a nerve and someone cares. You always know you've hit home when someone says prove it. Have a nice day.creepycoug said:
Doog post of the day. I guess you're back to "Golly gee. Washington is doing it the right way." JFC. It's almost like you don't know that recruiting is a competitive business.sonics1993 said:
Yeah there's this perception in LA right now that Nansen favors poly linebackers for playing time and heard Oregon ran with that perception and used it to close. It also doesn't help that Flowe didn't have a great relationship with Nansen but man does Oregon will saying anything to get a recruit. I guess that what makes Mario a great closer. As far as Ringo, I have no clue.PandaOrangeChiknDuck said:
race agin?sonics1993 said:Rumor is Oregon race agin to land Flowe. If anyone deserves to get screwed, it's Johnny Nansen.
Also, any truth that Ringo might have actually signed with Oregon?
Listen, I don't recall anybody ever bitching about Cristoball's recruiting tactics at any prior stop, and he's been a known quantity to me since the late 90s when he was instrumental in putting together one of the best talent runs at one program in cfb history. Didn't he get some award for being an elite recruiter at bama? At bama??? Nobody says anything off color down south, right? When he went with Schiano to Rutgers, he was stealing guys from the Florida big 3 left and right, and nobody, not even the Miami people, who are are most likely to be pissed about it, ever spread innuendo.
I've been saying this since the early scout days: few fans can curmudgeon and sour grape like a Washington Husky. Your last few posts have been @Ballz-level embarrassing. -
This sounds familiar. Maybe Wilner was on to something when he implied all the other Pac12 coaches had an axe to grind with Cristoballz
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@insinceredawg twattable?insinceredawg said:This sounds familiar. Maybe Wilner was on to something when he implied all the other Pac12 coaches had an axe to grind with Cristoballz
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If true, if USC was USC this wouldn’t have worked. It’s sad to see how far USC has fallen.GrundleStiltzkin said:
@insinceredawg twattable?insinceredawg said:This sounds familiar. Maybe Wilner was on to something when he implied all the other Pac12 coaches had an axe to grind with Cristoballz
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I can't believe you doogs believe this shit.
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Our boy cfbquotes is already working on itGrundleStiltzkin said:
@insinceredawg twattable?insinceredawg said:This sounds familiar. Maybe Wilner was on to something when he implied all the other Pac12 coaches had an axe to grind with Cristoballz
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Believe's got nothing to do with it.dtd said:I can't believe you doogs believe this shit.
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Nor does deserveGrundleStiltzkin said:
Believe's got nothing to do with it.dtd said:I can't believe you doogs believe this shit.
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You don't?dtd said:I can't believe you doogs believe this shit.
That's two different staffs saying the exact same thing that UO is playing the race card.
I don't see why it's hard to believe. The race card is pretty commonly played in just about ever scenario these days, why not in recruiting?
