Heard the Dems gay candidate for Pres...

I'm rolling with @RoadDawg55 and the #YangGang

Scary one side is now entirely socialist/ communist scum. Talk about Russia meddling in the election....

Swaye said:

...was leading the poles (lulz) in both Iowa and NH but didn't do well in last night's debate. True?

All the pundit scorecards have the loser socialists (Cuntahontas and WeekendatBernies) doing the worst of the night though.

Welp, with the small town queer who has experience managing budgets almost as large as the local Wal Mart barely treading water, Biden barely able to link a coherant sentence together when not using hugs as a sexual weapon, and the loser socialists tanking, who is it going to be? The hot Hawaiian woman who hates her own party and is a closeted Syrian traitor, the black guy who thinks he is Spartacus and seems to have no independent thoughts other than racial issues, the black woman who blew her way to the top and seems to hate black and latino criminals, or the cool Asian who likes maff and free shit? Maybe the white woman from up north somewhere with Parkinson's?

These are some compelling candidates you have here guys. Good luck with them and the impeachment. Hear it's going great!

Super hurtful ... to bofe of us!

What are you doing??!!!!????

creepycoug said:

Swaye said:

I went on record 6 months ago and said the Dems would have to try to actively lose to not beat Trump, and here we are, almost at halftime, and they are doing everything they can to make that dream a reality. There is nobody helping to MAGA more than Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schifforbrains, and the DNC!

Thanks Democrats, for all you do for America. Accidentally.

Thing is, Pelosi is a very smart politician. Which is why her initial instincts to hold off on this should have been followed. Alas, a combination of a really stupid political party and Trump leaving enough bread crumbs left her with little choice (I guess) than to go all in.

Little doubt in my mind that this will effectively re-elect Trump a year ahead of tim.

Pelosi wasn't that reluctant and she had to do it or her base would have revolted against her.

SFGbob said:

creepycoug said:

Swaye said:

I went on record 6 months ago and said the Dems would have to try to actively lose to not beat Trump, and here we are, almost at halftime, and they are doing everything they can to make that dream a reality. There is nobody helping to MAGA more than Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schifforbrains, and the DNC!

Thanks Democrats, for all you do for America. Accidentally.

Thing is, Pelosi is a very smart politician. Which is why her initial instincts to hold off on this should have been followed. Alas, a combination of a really stupid political party and Trump leaving enough bread crumbs left her with little choice (I guess) than to go all in.

Little doubt in my mind that this will effectively re-elect Trump a year ahead of tim.

Pelosi wasn't that reluctant and she had to do it or her base would have revolted against her.

As to the degree of her reluctance, we're both guessing there unless you know her well. My guess is based only on the ostensible fact that there was observable reluctance. As to why she eventually overcame her reluctance, one of my two razones is consistent with what you said.

I don't know or know of a single smart conservative who would ever counsel underestimating Pelosi. She's been at this a long time.

PurpleThrobber said:

creepycoug said:

PurpleThrobber said:

Swaye said:

I went on record 6 months ago and said the Dems would have to try to actively lose to not beat Trump, and here we are, almost at halftime, and they are doing everything they can to make that dream a reality. There is nobody helping to MAGA more than Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schifforbrains, and the DNC!

Thanks Democrats, for all you do for America. Accidentally.

Part of me says they are doing it on purpose. The more divisive unrest they can stir up, the better for their brand.

That's the bet.

If they have made only one smart calculation it's that no Democratic candidate is going to pull from Trump's base. Their target is (or should be) the middle.

Whether anyone likes hearing it or not, Trump has engendered loyalty in his base that is difficult for any other current politician to match. There's not much he could do to alienate that group ... certainly not this shit show.

I honestly don't think it has anything to do with the 2020 election.

I used to believe the whole left-wing/overthrow the government/radical stuff was tinfoil. It is becoming more and more apparent there is a very large segment of the left who want nothing more than total upheaval of the system. Trump is simply the current useful idiot who is emboldening them to hasten that strategy.

Which is somewhat where we agree -Trump's "base" isn't going anywhere. Let's lock it in at 35 to 40%. That's a BIG number to put on the scoreboard at kickoff.

But again, that's why I don't think the *real* leftists want to win in 2020. Another four years of disunity and chaos and fuck all is just another 4 years of OK Boomers dying off and cancel culture indoctrination on the nation's campuses.

Interesting take. I'd like to see you debate Steve Bannon on this point. Your take is very un-Trumpian.

The conservative populist (happy @YellowSnow ?) view of the world is that the establishment Republicans and the left want to keep things exactly as they are, which includes unfettered access to cheap labor vis a vis immigration, keep the administrative state/permanent political class entrenched in DC so that they can manipulate things as they wish, continue whoring out to Wall Street and managing the globe as the world's mall cop. It is they (conservative populism) that want to tear up the system with a blitzkrieg approach. Bannon often describes Trump as an incredibly imperfect instrument for this movement, but also as an "armor piercing shell".

Give him a listen. He's done some very good Frontline interviews and they're easily found on youtube. And of course any good review of how Breitbart came to be gives a good background on this.

I'd say, sure, there is an element of the far, far, far left (antifa left) who want to watch the world burn. But those guys are not too distinct from Bannon and the other architects of this movement. They mean to turn things up aggressively ... he's said more than once that his one regret was that he wasn't tougher during his 8 mos. in the WH and didn't fight harder against Jarded and Ivanka and the other "soft" people on the staff. The philosophical basis for this new populism is very aggressive, make no mistake about that.

I think they're right ... Pelosi and that crowd are more "keep things the way they are". And why not? They've benefited greatly from the current system.

89ute said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

So far Trump results are not bad

And that's what matters

Reagan was hated just as much but delivered as well

Only whacko lefties hated Reagan. He never dipped below 50% approval and left office at 73%. I get that it's a different country now, but Trump will never touch these numbers.

The outcomes under Trump haven't been horrible thus far- i.e., no bumbling into war and good economy (albeit juiced by $1 trillion stimulus).

I was there. The hate was mainstream. SNL to the nightly news

The hate was real.

It's OK Boomer, I forgive you.

I'm going to second Race on this one. Ray-gun (what my college professors called him) was in office during my college years and last two years of high school. The hate in the educational system was no different than it is now. I blindly fell in line because I was and still kind of am pro-abortion and anti-capital punishment.

Many, in my opinion, at this age are fucking stupid. I was in the many, and stayed in the "many" for a long tim after college. Takes a while for that shit to wear off. Sadly, my late 20 year old daughter has been dipped in this same stench and I know she won't see her way out of it for probably another 10-15 years.

I would generally agree, but I would differ on 'no different than it is now'. I think this is much different in quality and degree.