Repo Repo Repo came for Willie’s couch
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I'm stunned FSU didn't rehire College Sports Associates. CSA is the search firm founded and run by Todd Turner after he was canned by UW. CSA recommended Willie Taggart to FSU in FSU's 2018 HC search. CSA boasts stellar roster of consultants, including 0-12 Mr. Integrity:rodmansrage said:
Sources tell FootballScoop FSU plans to use Glenn Sugiyama of DHR to lead the search. Sugiyama oversaw Utah State’s search (which resulted in them re-hiring former head coach Gary Andersen), Arizona’s search (Kevin Sumlin) and Oregon State’s search (which resulted in hiring Jonathan Smith) recently (among others). Sugiyama also oversaw the search which placed Charlie Weis at Kansas.
wjw, i remember when free shoes u mattered.
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I think you mean Calle Ciento Noventa y Nuevecreepycoug said:
Mario is a Miami guy, and Tallyhassee isn't Miami. It's another world up there ... much more Birmingham than it is South Beach. And candidly, while FSU has more football status, Oregon has shown that it gives a shit. Competes facilities-wise, can pay the money to keep him. And what would you rather take on, knowing that your next fuck up could be your last in big-tim coaching? FSU, which is now broken, and try and get back to relevance in a conference with Clemson? If he's going to swing for that fence, he's going to do it in our? town with our? program - the Mighty Miami Hurricanes y Calle Ocho ... the team that fucking invented the term "swagger". We ain't scared of you bitch, but FSU probably is.Southerndawg said:
I agree, sort of. It's an upgrade, but (your) Miami is likely the prize.creepycoug said:
Crisco would never coach the 'Noles. Get all the screenshots you need.whlinder said:Mario Cristoball spotted at the Tallahassee
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They wouldn't... would they?
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Why wouldn't they?GrundleStiltzkin said:They wouldn't... would they?
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Eat your heart out Sark!RaceBannon said: -
that's the lesson...get so drunk so often at work that you can be fired for cause vs just show up and sober and tell people to do something...that's how you get paid. Props to Willie for sucking the right way.PurpleJ said:
Eat your heart out Sark!RaceBannon said: -
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Smart call because Unless YOU have proof in HAND...it’s speculation for YOU. ‘Those who know’....meaning YOU are not a ‘THOSE’. I didn’t create the English language but ‘speculation’ is pretty cut and dry. Unless you are an eye witness, YOU are speculating. Word of mouth is not proof.ntxduck said:I'm not gonna talk about all that RUUUUUUMOR stuff
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I tend to agree with you but I read something somewhere (Komo buttfucker) that he would love to coach FSU.creepycoug said:
Crisco would never coach the 'Noles. Get all the screenshots you need.whlinder said:Mario Cristoball spotted at the Tallahassee airport
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cause they HAVE A CONTRACT with coca cola?dtd said:
Why wouldn't they?GrundleStiltzkin said:They wouldn't... would they?
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https://si.com/college/2019/11/04/forde-yard-dash-willie-taggart-fsu
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed. -
Well done...one of my favorite GIFs right there.ntxduck said:
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Rick won a Rose Bowl in year 2 was fired after 4
Mario is rich cool and 7-1 in year 2 after a bowl last year
Petersen made the playoff year 3
I think the two or three year time frame for potential greatness hold up as well as any stat. Its no guarantee though
Most shitty coaches that are white get too much time -
The other thing that hurt Taggart was that he wasn't just 9-12, he was 9-12 in arguably the worst power 5 conference in the the country. Replace Clemson with say Arizona State, and ASU probably wins that conference. Most of the struggling coaches are in far superior conferences like the Big10 and SEC.RaceBannon said:Rick won a Rose Bowl in year 2 was fired after 4
Mario is rich cool and 7-1 in year 2 after a bowl last year
Petersen made the playoff year 3
I think the two or three year time frame for potential greatness hold up as well as any stat. Its no guarantee though
Most shitty coaches that are white get too much time
Kevin Sumlin has the same 9-12 record at Arizona and he still has his job (Doubt he makes it to year three, but still...). So I wouldn't say every black coach has a shorter leash. In the day of mass television coverage and the competition in recruiting, the leash on all head coaches is shorter.
Crazy...not only does Sumlin have the same 9-12 record, he's right in line with the same trajectory as Taggart. Both finished last year at 5-7, and both coaches went to 4-5 this year. He's pretty much become Taggart. -
IDRGAF if the numbers show that Black coaches clearly suffer huge bias and get the hook twice as fast as the worst white coach, even then, Willie deserved to be fired last season. FSU brings in a very nice base level of talent even when they are not trying to because of who and where they are. He went down there and blew them back into the stone ages. It'll take a while for FSU to come back. He's just terrible.RaceBannon said:https://si.com/college/2019/11/04/forde-yard-dash-willie-taggart-fsu
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed. -
This is true. I also thought Frost would do well at Nebraska.RaceBannon said:https://si.com/college/2019/11/04/forde-yard-dash-willie-taggart-fsu
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed. -
Let's also not forget Oregon fired Helfrich (rightfully so) after one losing season.creepycoug said:
IDRGAF if the numbers show that Black coaches clearly suffer huge bias and get the hook twice as fast as the worst white coach, even then, Willie deserved to be fired last season. FSU brings in a very nice base level of talent even when they are not trying to because of who and where they are. He went down there and blew them back into the stone ages. It'll take a while for FSU to come back. He's just terrible.RaceBannon said:https://si.com/college/2019/11/04/forde-yard-dash-willie-taggart-fsu
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed. -
How long did Weiss get at Notre Dame? I recall he was given a lot of latitude.RaceBannon said:Rick won a Rose Bowl in year 2 was fired after 4
Mario is rich cool and 7-1 in year 2 after a bowl last year
Petersen made the playoff year 3
I think the two or three year time frame for potential greatness hold up as well as any stat. Its no guarantee though
Most shitty coaches that are white get too much time -
He got 5 years because he had a decisive schematic advantagecreepycoug said:
How long did Weiss get at Notre Dame? I recall he was given a lot of latitude.RaceBannon said:Rick won a Rose Bowl in year 2 was fired after 4
Mario is rich cool and 7-1 in year 2 after a bowl last year
Petersen made the playoff year 3
I think the two or three year time frame for potential greatness hold up as well as any stat. Its no guarantee though
Most shitty coaches that are white get too much time -
Barry Switzer called that the monster and he knew first hand because Bud Wilkinson started the monster at Oklahoma. Switzer saw several predecessors fired quickly for not being Bud. You give fans a taste and all of a sudden the leash gets a lot shorter.greenblood said:
Let's also not forget Oregon fired Helfrich (rightfully so) after one losing season.creepycoug said:
IDRGAF if the numbers show that Black coaches clearly suffer huge bias and get the hook twice as fast as the worst white coach, even then, Willie deserved to be fired last season. FSU brings in a very nice base level of talent even when they are not trying to because of who and where they are. He went down there and blew them back into the stone ages. It'll take a while for FSU to come back. He's just terrible.RaceBannon said:https://si.com/college/2019/11/04/forde-yard-dash-willie-taggart-fsu
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed.
Unless you're UW and give Lambo 6 years to fuck everything up. Rick paid more for not being James than Lambo did. Then UW basically told us fans to fuck off and all but killed the monster
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Ty slayed that beast in 2008.RaceBannon said:
Barry Switzer called that the monster and he knew first hand because Bud Wilkinson started the monster at Oklahoma. Switzer saw several predecessors fired quickly for not being Bud. You give fans a taste and all of a sudden the leash gets a lot shorter.greenblood said:
Let's also not forget Oregon fired Helfrich (rightfully so) after one losing season.creepycoug said:
IDRGAF if the numbers show that Black coaches clearly suffer huge bias and get the hook twice as fast as the worst white coach, even then, Willie deserved to be fired last season. FSU brings in a very nice base level of talent even when they are not trying to because of who and where they are. He went down there and blew them back into the stone ages. It'll take a while for FSU to come back. He's just terrible.RaceBannon said:https://si.com/college/2019/11/04/forde-yard-dash-willie-taggart-fsu
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed.
Unless you're UW and give Lambo 6 years to fuck everything up. Rick paid more for not being James than Lambo did. Then UW basically told us fans to fuck off and all but killed the monster -
That's right. He was supposedly this massive genius because Patriots and whatnot. I can't remember if they were ever worth a shit under him and don't care enough to Google it. I just remember he was Gilby-level fat.RaceBannon said:
He got 5 years because he had a decisive schematic advantagecreepycoug said:
How long did Weiss get at Notre Dame? I recall he was given a lot of latitude.RaceBannon said:Rick won a Rose Bowl in year 2 was fired after 4
Mario is rich cool and 7-1 in year 2 after a bowl last year
Petersen made the playoff year 3
I think the two or three year time frame for potential greatness hold up as well as any stat. Its no guarantee though
Most shitty coaches that are white get too much time -
I always thought firing RN was a mistake.RaceBannon said:
Barry Switzer called that the monster and he knew first hand because Bud Wilkinson started the monster at Oklahoma. Switzer saw several predecessors fired quickly for not being Bud. You give fans a taste and all of a sudden the leash gets a lot shorter.greenblood said:
Let's also not forget Oregon fired Helfrich (rightfully so) after one losing season.creepycoug said:
IDRGAF if the numbers show that Black coaches clearly suffer huge bias and get the hook twice as fast as the worst white coach, even then, Willie deserved to be fired last season. FSU brings in a very nice base level of talent even when they are not trying to because of who and where they are. He went down there and blew them back into the stone ages. It'll take a while for FSU to come back. He's just terrible.RaceBannon said:https://si.com/college/2019/11/04/forde-yard-dash-willie-taggart-fsu
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed.
Unless you're UW and give Lambo 6 years to fuck everything up. Rick paid more for not being James than Lambo did. Then UW basically told us fans to fuck off and all but killed the monster -
Barry Switzer was the first great black head coach.RaceBannon said:
Barry Switzer called that the monster and he knew first hand because Bud Wilkinson started the monster at Oklahoma. Switzer saw several predecessors fired quickly for not being Bud. You give fans a taste and all of a sudden the leash gets a lot shorter.greenblood said:
Let's also not forget Oregon fired Helfrich (rightfully so) after one losing season.creepycoug said:
IDRGAF if the numbers show that Black coaches clearly suffer huge bias and get the hook twice as fast as the worst white coach, even then, Willie deserved to be fired last season. FSU brings in a very nice base level of talent even when they are not trying to because of who and where they are. He went down there and blew them back into the stone ages. It'll take a while for FSU to come back. He's just terrible.RaceBannon said:https://si.com/college/2019/11/04/forde-yard-dash-willie-taggart-fsu
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed.
Unless you're UW and give Lambo 6 years to fuck everything up. Rick paid more for not being James than Lambo did. Then UW basically told us fans to fuck off and all but killed the monster
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That is the genesis of where this website is todaycreepycoug said:
I always thought firing RN was a mistake.RaceBannon said:
Barry Switzer called that the monster and he knew first hand because Bud Wilkinson started the monster at Oklahoma. Switzer saw several predecessors fired quickly for not being Bud. You give fans a taste and all of a sudden the leash gets a lot shorter.greenblood said:
Let's also not forget Oregon fired Helfrich (rightfully so) after one losing season.creepycoug said:
IDRGAF if the numbers show that Black coaches clearly suffer huge bias and get the hook twice as fast as the worst white coach, even then, Willie deserved to be fired last season. FSU brings in a very nice base level of talent even when they are not trying to because of who and where they are. He went down there and blew them back into the stone ages. It'll take a while for FSU to come back. He's just terrible.RaceBannon said:https://si.com/college/2019/11/04/forde-yard-dash-willie-taggart-fsu
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed.
Unless you're UW and give Lambo 6 years to fuck everything up. Rick paid more for not being James than Lambo did. Then UW basically told us fans to fuck off and all but killed the monster
I remember vicious arguments about how firing Rick in June would kill the program. All the fucking doogs that would end up defending Todd and Ty and especially Gilby and the rest of the shit show that followed were all in on firing Rick
The 2002 season was 8-4 which we did not top until 2016
I would not have opposed firing Rick after the 2003 season because he lost to Cal, got embarrassed in Miami, and blew the Holiday Bowl to Texas in 2002. But I would not have fired him for that until I saw more
Samak predicted 12-0 in 2003. Rick had stock the shelves allegedly and deserved a shot at bringing it back -
Notwithstanding that he went to the title game, as his supporters like to point out, it was a clear case of a downward trend and he escorted something someone else had built to show. I've seen that one before at Miami. To a lesser extent, I saw it with Erickson down there. Although he continued to recruit well at some positions, O line started to suffer under his watch and collective team discipline went down the shitter. Every day he was there, the Hurricanes got a little more sloppy. I have to give him some credit. You don't win two titles entirely because of some other guy's recruits.greenblood said:
Let's also not forget Oregon fired Helfrich (rightfully so) after one losing season.creepycoug said:
IDRGAF if the numbers show that Black coaches clearly suffer huge bias and get the hook twice as fast as the worst white coach, even then, Willie deserved to be fired last season. FSU brings in a very nice base level of talent even when they are not trying to because of who and where they are. He went down there and blew them back into the stone ages. It'll take a while for FSU to come back. He's just terrible.RaceBannon said:https://si.com/college/2019/11/04/forde-yard-dash-willie-taggart-fsu
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed. -
Rick had some holes on defense in 2001, which was the problem. Miami was doing what they did to Washington to other good teams and as you've pointed out was finally pissed off at Washington after 2000, because of what was lost in Seattle. The Texas game ... Applewhite did that to a lot of teams and it was a close game. I don't remember the Cal game. Owen Biddle was playing safety that year, which is telling if you remember him and his story. Rick was a good recruiter and could have come back to make Washington great again.RaceBannon said:
That is the genesis of where this website is todaycreepycoug said:
I always thought firing RN was a mistake.RaceBannon said:
Barry Switzer called that the monster and he knew first hand because Bud Wilkinson started the monster at Oklahoma. Switzer saw several predecessors fired quickly for not being Bud. You give fans a taste and all of a sudden the leash gets a lot shorter.greenblood said:
Let's also not forget Oregon fired Helfrich (rightfully so) after one losing season.creepycoug said:
IDRGAF if the numbers show that Black coaches clearly suffer huge bias and get the hook twice as fast as the worst white coach, even then, Willie deserved to be fired last season. FSU brings in a very nice base level of talent even when they are not trying to because of who and where they are. He went down there and blew them back into the stone ages. It'll take a while for FSU to come back. He's just terrible.RaceBannon said:https://si.com/college/2019/11/04/forde-yard-dash-willie-taggart-fsu
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed.
Unless you're UW and give Lambo 6 years to fuck everything up. Rick paid more for not being James than Lambo did. Then UW basically told us fans to fuck off and all but killed the monster
I remember vicious arguments about how firing Rick in June would kill the program. All the fucking doogs that would end up defending Todd and Ty and especially Gilby and the rest of the shit show that followed were all in on firing Rick
The 2002 season was 8-4 which we did not top until 2016
I would not have opposed firing Rick after the 2003 season because he lost to Cal, got embarrassed in Miami, and blew the Holiday Bowl to Texas in 2002. But I would not have fired him for that until I saw more
Samak predicted 12-0 in 2003. Rick had stock the shelves allegedly and deserved a shot at bringing it back
