Repo Repo Repo came for Willie’s couch
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cause they HAVE A CONTRACT with coca cola?dtd said:
Why wouldn't they?GrundleStiltzkin said:They wouldn't... would they?
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https://si.com/college/2019/11/04/forde-yard-dash-willie-taggart-fsu
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed. -
Well done...one of my favorite GIFs right there.ntxduck said:
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Rick won a Rose Bowl in year 2 was fired after 4
Mario is rich cool and 7-1 in year 2 after a bowl last year
Petersen made the playoff year 3
I think the two or three year time frame for potential greatness hold up as well as any stat. Its no guarantee though
Most shitty coaches that are white get too much time -
The other thing that hurt Taggart was that he wasn't just 9-12, he was 9-12 in arguably the worst power 5 conference in the the country. Replace Clemson with say Arizona State, and ASU probably wins that conference. Most of the struggling coaches are in far superior conferences like the Big10 and SEC.RaceBannon said:Rick won a Rose Bowl in year 2 was fired after 4
Mario is rich cool and 7-1 in year 2 after a bowl last year
Petersen made the playoff year 3
I think the two or three year time frame for potential greatness hold up as well as any stat. Its no guarantee though
Most shitty coaches that are white get too much time
Kevin Sumlin has the same 9-12 record at Arizona and he still has his job (Doubt he makes it to year three, but still...). So I wouldn't say every black coach has a shorter leash. In the day of mass television coverage and the competition in recruiting, the leash on all head coaches is shorter.
Crazy...not only does Sumlin have the same 9-12 record, he's right in line with the same trajectory as Taggart. Both finished last year at 5-7, and both coaches went to 4-5 this year. He's pretty much become Taggart. -
IDRGAF if the numbers show that Black coaches clearly suffer huge bias and get the hook twice as fast as the worst white coach, even then, Willie deserved to be fired last season. FSU brings in a very nice base level of talent even when they are not trying to because of who and where they are. He went down there and blew them back into the stone ages. It'll take a while for FSU to come back. He's just terrible.RaceBannon said:https://si.com/college/2019/11/04/forde-yard-dash-willie-taggart-fsu
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed. -
This is true. I also thought Frost would do well at Nebraska.RaceBannon said:https://si.com/college/2019/11/04/forde-yard-dash-willie-taggart-fsu
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed. -
Let's also not forget Oregon fired Helfrich (rightfully so) after one losing season.creepycoug said:
IDRGAF if the numbers show that Black coaches clearly suffer huge bias and get the hook twice as fast as the worst white coach, even then, Willie deserved to be fired last season. FSU brings in a very nice base level of talent even when they are not trying to because of who and where they are. He went down there and blew them back into the stone ages. It'll take a while for FSU to come back. He's just terrible.RaceBannon said:https://si.com/college/2019/11/04/forde-yard-dash-willie-taggart-fsu
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed.
