There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed.
IDRGAF if the numbers show that Black coaches clearly suffer huge bias and get the hook twice as fast as the worst white coach, even then, Willie deserved to be fired last season. FSU brings in a very nice base level of talent even when they are not trying to because of who and where they are. He went down there and blew them back into the stone ages. It'll take a while for FSU to come back. He's just terrible.
Let's also not forget Oregon fired Helfrich (rightfully so) after one losing season.
Barry Switzer called that the monster and he knew first hand because Bud Wilkinson started the monster at Oklahoma. Switzer saw several predecessors fired quickly for not being Bud. You give fans a taste and all of a sudden the leash gets a lot shorter.
Unless you're UW and give Lambo 6 years to fuck everything up. Rick paid more for not being James than Lambo did. Then UW basically told us fans to fuck off and all but killed the monster
I always thought firing RN was a mistake.
That is the genesis of where this website is today
I remember vicious arguments about how firing Rick in June would kill the program. All the fucking doogs that would end up defending Todd and Ty and especially Gilby and the rest of the shit show that followed were all in on firing Rick
The 2002 season was 8-4 which we did not top until 2016
I would not have opposed firing Rick after the 2003 season because he lost to Cal, got embarrassed in Miami, and blew the Holiday Bowl to Texas in 2002. But I would not have fired him for that until I saw more
Samak predicted 12-0 in 2003. Rick had stock the shelves allegedly and deserved a shot at bringing it back
Rick had some holes on defense in 2001, which was the problem. Miami was doing what they did to Washington to other good teams and as you've pointed out was finally pissed off at Washington after 2000, because of what was lost in Seattle. The Texas game ... Applewhite did that to a lot of teams and it was a close game. I don't remember the Cal game. Owen Biddle was playing safety that year, which is telling if you remember him and his story. Rick was a good recruiter and could have come back to make Washington great again.
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed.
IDRGAF if the numbers show that Black coaches clearly suffer huge bias and get the hook twice as fast as the worst white coach, even then, Willie deserved to be fired last season. FSU brings in a very nice base level of talent even when they are not trying to because of who and where they are. He went down there and blew them back into the stone ages. It'll take a while for FSU to come back. He's just terrible.
Let's also not forget Oregon fired Helfrich (rightfully so) after one losing season.
Barry Switzer called that the monster and he knew first hand because Bud Wilkinson started the monster at Oklahoma. Switzer saw several predecessors fired quickly for not being Bud. You give fans a taste and all of a sudden the leash gets a lot shorter.
Unless you're UW and give Lambo 6 years to fuck everything up. Rick paid more for not being James than Lambo did. Then UW basically told us fans to fuck off and all but killed the monster
I always thought firing RN was a mistake.
That is the genesis of where this website is today
I remember vicious arguments about how firing Rick in June would kill the program. All the fucking doogs that would end up defending Todd and Ty and especially Gilby and the rest of the shit show that followed were all in on firing Rick
The 2002 season was 8-4 which we did not top until 2016
I would not have opposed firing Rick after the 2003 season because he lost to Cal, got embarrassed in Miami, and blew the Holiday Bowl to Texas in 2002. But I would not have fired him for that until I saw more
Samak predicted 12-0 in 2003. Rick had stock the shelves allegedly and deserved a shot at bringing it back
Rick had some holes on defense in 2001, which was the problem. Miami was doing what they did to Washington to other good teams and as you've pointed out was finally pissed off at Washington after 2000, because of what was lost in Seattle. The Texas game ... Applewhite did that to a lot of teams and it was a close game. I don't remember the Cal game. Owen Biddle was playing safety that year, which is telling if you remember him and his story. Rick was a good recruiter and could have come back to make Washington great again.
We hadn't lost to Cal since 1976
Kyle Boeller won at Husky Stadium under Tedford
Fuck, how could i forget. This was during my time in LS. This was when my loathing for Cal was formed.
My LS class of 1995 was loaded with Berkeley kids. To a person they were more arrogant than the most arrogant Ivy Leaguer I've ever come across. They embraced Cal's shit status in FB with the usual, "We're an academic institution" shit. Never mind that Russell White was functionally illiterate when he was admitted to Cal and well before his dyslexia was diagnosed. Then they came up here and beat Washington, and all of a sudden they were Yuge football fans.
He has zero coaching experience at the college or pro levels; in 2012, he founded the Prime Prep charter school in the Dallas area and served as the team’s football coach before its closure due to financial insolvency in 2015.
good enough for me, saban level contract incoming!
There are very, very few good black head coaches. That’s a fact. Franklin at Penn State is the only one I can think of. Whether it’s because of the lack of opportunities is debatable. It’s also fair to note that most head coaches suck.
There is food for thought on the quick hook in this article and in another one I saw today showing how quick the hook is for Black coaches other than Ty at UW. Ty at Notre Dame is still held up as a quick hook.
By themselves the numbers clearly indicate that Black coaches get a faster hook
As a half brain I say all coaches including white coaches should get a faster hook when they are obviously incompetent like say Gilby who only got two years. We suffered for ND firing Ty so it clearly isn't as "black and white" as it appears
My solution is to fire everyone after two years.
Fact is, the second year at an elite-level program is often when coaches distinguish themselves. From Bob Stoops at Oklahoma to Pete Carroll at USC to Jim Tressel at Ohio State to Urban Meyer at Florida to Nick Saban at Alabama, national championships were either won or seriously chased in Year 2. Taggart was chasing a Military Bowl bid at the time of his ouster.
If you apply the 21-game test to the rest of the Power 5 coaches who were hired when Florida State named Taggart, there is a lot of failure going on. But only one firing—so far.
The Sub-Taggart Group (13): This is led by Arkansas’s Chad Morris, who is working hard to put his name among the worst hires in Southeastern Conference history. He’s 4-17 with the Razorbacks, still winless in SEC play and has treated the home fans to successive losses by 41 points (Auburn) and 30 points (Mississippi State). Of course, this is par for the Morris course—he was 6-15 through 21 games at SMU. Yet he still got the Arkansas job.
UCLA’s Chip Kelly is 7-14, with the occasional upset win interspersed among the many losses. But Kelly is riding a three-game winning streak and his team is still in contention (kind of) for the Pac-12 South title. So the current arc is promising.
Mississippi’s Matt Luke is 8-13. His team has been increasingly competitive in recent weeks, with close losses to Auburn and Texas A&M, but there have been no truly exciting wins. Luke’s list of the vanquished: Arkansas (and Morris) twice; Vanderbilt; Texas Tech; Southern Illinois; Kent State; Louisiana-Monroe; Southeastern Louisiana.
And the celebrated Scott Frost also is 8-13 at Nebraska. The Cornhuskers have been awful in a year when the fan base was expecting a second-year turnaround. This is the time when it’s a really good thing for Frost to have deep Nebraska ties and a lot of allies—things Taggart lacked at FSU—because another coach with his 21-game performance at a place like this would be in trouble.
The Taggart Peer Group (14): Tennessee’s Jeremy Pruitt and Arizona’s Kevin Sumlin have the same 9-12 record as Taggart. Volunteers fans are so beaten down that they’re excited about wins over Mississippi State, South Carolina and UAB, plus a not-brutal beating from Alabama. Arizona has collapsed after a 4-1 season start, losing four straight and surrendering 47.3 points per game in that slide.
The Better Than Taggart Group (15): Joe Moorhead is 11-10 at Mississippi State, not that anyone in Starkville is turning cartwheels over that. Herm Edwards is the most pleasant surprise of the class at 12-9, although he’s 0-3 this season against Pac-12 South divisional opponents. And Dan Mullen of Florida qualifies as the star of the group at 17-4, the only significant success in a group that has almost completely underwhelmed.
IDRGAF if the numbers show that Black coaches clearly suffer huge bias and get the hook twice as fast as the worst white coach, even then, Willie deserved to be fired last season. FSU brings in a very nice base level of talent even when they are not trying to because of who and where they are. He went down there and blew them back into the stone ages. It'll take a while for FSU to come back. He's just terrible.
Let's also not forget Oregon fired Helfrich (rightfully so) after one losing season.
Barry Switzer called that the monster and he knew first hand because Bud Wilkinson started the monster at Oklahoma. Switzer saw several predecessors fired quickly for not being Bud. You give fans a taste and all of a sudden the leash gets a lot shorter.
Unless you're UW and give Lambo 6 years to fuck everything up. Rick paid more for not being James than Lambo did. Then UW basically told us fans to fuck off and all but killed the monster
I always thought firing RN was a mistake.
That is the genesis of where this website is today
I remember vicious arguments about how firing Rick in June would kill the program. All the fucking doogs that would end up defending Todd and Ty and especially Gilby and the rest of the shit show that followed were all in on firing Rick
The 2002 season was 8-4 which we did not top until 2016
I would not have opposed firing Rick after the 2003 season because he lost to Cal, got embarrassed in Miami, and blew the Holiday Bowl to Texas in 2002. But I would not have fired him for that until I saw more
Samak predicted 12-0 in 2003. Rick had stock the shelves allegedly and deserved a shot at bringing it back
Rick had some holes on defense in 2001, which was the problem. Miami was doing what they did to Washington to other good teams and as you've pointed out was finally pissed off at Washington after 2000, because of what was lost in Seattle. The Texas game ... Applewhite did that to a lot of teams and it was a close game. I don't remember the Cal game. Owen Biddle was playing safety that year, which is telling if you remember him and his story. Rick was a good recruiter and could have come back to make Washington great again.
Disagree. His recruiting went down the shitter after a promising start.
It happened at UCLA too.
It was still wrong to fire him when and how they did, and I dont think he would have sunk any lower at UW than he already had.
There are very, very few good black head coaches. That’s a fact. Franklin at Penn State is the only one I can think of. Whether it’s because of the lack of opportunities is debatable. It’s also fair to note that most head coaches suck.
There are very, very few good black head coaches. That’s a fact. Franklin at Penn State is the only one I can think of. Whether it’s because of the lack of opportunities is debatable. It’s also fair to note that most head coaches suck.
There are very, very few good black head coaches. That’s a fact. Franklin at Penn State is the only one I can think of. Whether it’s because of the lack of opportunities is debatable. It’s also fair to note that most head coaches suck.
Jesus fucking Christ Man, and Franklin is light skin
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Kyle Boeller won at Husky Stadium under Tedford
My LS class of 1995 was loaded with Berkeley kids. To a person they were more arrogant than the most arrogant Ivy Leaguer I've ever come across. They embraced Cal's shit status in FB with the usual, "We're an academic institution" shit. Never mind that Russell White was functionally illiterate when he was admitted to Cal and well before his dyslexia was diagnosed. Then they came up here and beat Washington, and all of a sudden they were Yuge football fans.
Their change in attitude did not escape me.
good enough for me, saban level contract incoming!
CriscoLuke would nevercoachendorse the 'Noles. Get all the screenshots you need.lmao when the free shoes u AD has to make a statement about prime.
its not over for prime!
It happened at UCLA too.
It was still wrong to fire him when and how they did, and I dont think he would have sunk any lower at UW than he already had.
Arky