Some outside perspective...

ntxduck said:

lawsandl said:

jecornel said:

Shit perspective.

I’ve watched Oregon and UW struggle on the national stage. Oregon was lucky to get Wisconsin and KSU and not Penn State or Ohio State.

The conference has to get better.

That Wisconsin team was >>>>> than Penn State.

Kansas State wasn't even a top 25 team worthy team though. That white QB they had (Klein) has to be the worst Heisman finalist of all time

That Penn State team with Barkley lost 2 games to top 10 teams, both away from home, by a total of 4 points.

UW under Petersen beats that Wisconsin and KSU team too.

lawsandl said:

haie said:

How about you quooks just enjoy Meat running it down our soft asses in the 4th quarter and spare me the analysis. So happy that we can help boost your pretend Natty aspirations. So happy the conference is "more competitive" than it was the past couple of years. Fuck off.

Lol, you got it all wrong. I have no aspirations to go to the CFB playoffs to watch LSU stick a plunger in our ass. I want to see it after a couple more recruiting classes.

You take your chance with the plunger when you get it. Whether it be this year or another, the next playoff appearance will be unexpected, like it was in 2014. Like the natty appearance was in 2010. If you want a few more years with low expectations and sub par bowl games, you can switch teams and become a husky. Unlikely Oregon makes it this year, but that should always be the goal when you are undefeated or have 1 loss more than halfway through a season.

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lawsandl said:

RatherBeBrewing said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

ntxduck said:

lawsandl said:

jecornel said:

Shit perspective.

I’ve watched Oregon and UW struggle on the national stage. Oregon was lucky to get Wisconsin and KSU and not Penn State or Ohio State.

The conference has to get better.

That Wisconsin team was >>>>> than Penn State.

Kansas State wasn't even a top 25 team worthy team though. That white QB they had (Klein) has to be the worst Heisman finalist of all time

That Penn State team with Barkley lost 2 games to top 10 teams, both away from home, by a total of 4 points.

UW under Petersen beats that Wisconsin and KSU team too.

Because Pete has such a great track record in big games and bowl games? Because of that history he could have beat that Wisconsin team, I’m sure.

I have no doubt the 2016 would’ve beat that Wisconsin. That defense for Wisconsin would’ve had no answer for someone like John Ross.

oregonblitzkrieg said:

lawsandl said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

lawsandl said:

haie said:

How about you quooks just enjoy Meat running it down our soft asses in the 4th quarter and spare me the analysis. So happy that we can help boost your pretend Natty aspirations. So happy the conference is "more competitive" than it was the past couple of years. Fuck off.

Lol, you got it all wrong. I have no aspirations to go to the CFB playoffs to watch LSU stick a plunger in our ass. I want to see it after a couple more recruiting classes.

You take your chance with the plunger when you get it. Whether it be this year or another, the next playoff appearance will be unexpected, like it was in 2014. Like the natty appearance was in 2010. If you want a few more years with low expectations and sub par bowl games, you can switch teams and become a husky. Unlikely Oregon makes it this year, but that should always be the goal when you are undefeated or have 1 loss more than halfway through a season.

If Oregon ends up with one loss, I want us in the playoffs for precedence unless LSU, Oklahoma, tOSU and Clemson are undefeated. However, I have no delusions that we can win two games against elite teams.

Screw Oklahoma. Our defense is good enough to shut down their offense, and their defense is trash. They lost the last two playoffs in the first round, and don't deserve a third chance in a row to lose again. No one wants to see Oklahoma back in the playoffs except for Oklahoma fans. Not sold on Ohio State either. Their Helfrich is leading the program now. I don't think they make it through the season undefeated.

Their defense actually looks really improved. The athletic profile of their defense is really good. I think they would beat us.

Texas has a garbage defense and held them to 34. Oregon could hold them under 34 points and score enough points to beat that team.

spuden said:

Bush Hamadan scored 31 on your “vaunted” defense...pretty sure Lincoln Riley could beast that. What a fucking stupid post.

Still not enough points to get the win. Point stands. Oklahomo's defense is worse than Washington's. Oregon could score on it, and hold their offense in check like a crappy Texas team with no defense managed to do. Oklahomo is not a real playoff contender.

I’m not sure the defense will be amazing next year. They are young and will improve. I still don’t see us having above average Pac 12 ILB’s. They will all be freshman and sophomores. I don’t see it with Tafisi or Sirmon. I’ll feel a lot better if they get beat out next year.

Pressure and finishing sacks still needs to improve. We don’t have fast twitch edge guys. I think Latu is probably a better 3-4 DE than a true Buck. Tryon is decent and can still become a very good edge guy. Smalls is the guy we needed body and skill wise, but I’m not going to count on a true freshman to be great. I don’t see it happening.

The interior DL will be good, but still probably one more year away from being great. Tuli looks fantastic tho. It will be interesting to see which of the redshirting freshmen separate themselves. Levi is very good and him returning is important.

DB’s will be good. They need to improve. The tackling has been bad and is a big reason why we give up so many chunk plays this year. Still feel pretty good about them and there will be a lot of competition.

All this means nothing is Eason doesn’t return. We’re fucked and looking at a season like this one if he doesn’t.

lawsandl said:

This is as a CFB and not as an Oregon vs UW fan. Peterson is a great coach and this year was always going to be tough. Sure, he had recruiting misses that are on him. However, Saban has holes on his roster and he gets the pick of the litter. The prestige of UW when Peterson took over was a little above average. You are feeling those misses now but Peterson has already adjusted.

UW will have a dominant defense next year. The fact is iron sharpens iron. The PAC 12 needs to get better for the winner to compete on the national stage. There is a natural tendency to play to the level of competition. The PAC 12 champ needs to have at least three really tough matchups.

The strongest I’ve seen the PAC was 2000. We need 3 top 10ish teams. That will force the coaches to evolve. Look at LSU and Bama with their offenses now. This will help keep top shelf talent here. USC needs to be fixed as well. It’s an uphill battle out west.

Good post but I always balk at the use of the word "great". Petersen is not a "great" coach in any sense of the word. He is a very good coach but struggling to even make the top ten at the moment. Great coaches win championships. Great coaches win games they shouldn't and don't lose games they should. Great coaches are flexible and unemotional enough to make decisions that benefit the program. Petersen lacks a lot of these qualities. Having said that I don't see us getting anyone better.