Scott Huff and our mighty O Line
They still get beat routinely when they are upper classmen laden with studs like Adams, McGary, Harris, Hilbers, etc.
Strausser's lines were actually better seeming than Huffs despite being less talented.
What's the deal?
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Our o line has not really been a problem this year. USC's d line is really good.
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Dude if you can’t see that other team is also talented. I can’t help you. They were finePostGameOrangeSlices said:Can not reliably get positive yards against USC, Bama, ASU, Penn St, Stanford, Auburn, Cal, Ohio State, Cal again, USC again
They still get beat routinely when they are upper classmen laden with studs like Adams, McGary, Harris, Hilbers, etc.
Strausser's lines were actually better seeming than Huffs despite being less talented.
What's the deal? -
Point is us not being able to run when it matters has been an ongoing problem.FirePete said:
Dude if you can’t see that other team is also talented. I can’t help you. They were finePostGameOrangeSlices said:Can not reliably get positive yards against USC, Bama, ASU, Penn St, Stanford, Auburn, Cal, Ohio State, Cal again, USC again
They still get beat routinely when they are upper classmen laden with studs like Adams, McGary, Harris, Hilbers, etc.
Strausser's lines were actually better seeming than Huffs despite being less talented.
What's the deal? -
Eason took one hard hit. I'd say that's a win for the OL. That being said as much talent as this group has the next OL man child that take the field will have a higher ceiling and may be mammoth.
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That is a GOOD USC D linebananasnblondes said:Our o line has not really been a problem this year. USC's d line is really good.
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Huff's top recruits are redshirting or redshirt freshman. The ghost of Strausser's recruiting is currently haunting us. Was Strausser a better O Line coach? Probably, but his recruiting was garbage.
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We ran for 193 yards today.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Point is us not being able to run when it matters has been an ongoing problem.FirePete said:
Dude if you can’t see that other team is also talented. I can’t help you. They were finePostGameOrangeSlices said:Can not reliably get positive yards against USC, Bama, ASU, Penn St, Stanford, Auburn, Cal, Ohio State, Cal again, USC again
They still get beat routinely when they are upper classmen laden with studs like Adams, McGary, Harris, Hilbers, etc.
Strausser's lines were actually better seeming than Huffs despite being less talented.
What's the deal?
Sure I'd like more, but it isn't as if they stuffed our run all day.
And we won by 2 TDs. -
Yeah but take away Ahmed's runThump said:
We ran for 193 yards today.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Point is us not being able to run when it matters has been an ongoing problem.FirePete said:
Dude if you can’t see that other team is also talented. I can’t help you. They were finePostGameOrangeSlices said:Can not reliably get positive yards against USC, Bama, ASU, Penn St, Stanford, Auburn, Cal, Ohio State, Cal again, USC again
They still get beat routinely when they are upper classmen laden with studs like Adams, McGary, Harris, Hilbers, etc.
Strausser's lines were actually better seeming than Huffs despite being less talented.
What's the deal?
Sure I'd like more, but it isn't as if they stuffed our run all day.
And we won by 2 TDs.
Kidding
USC d line is legit. One of them was almost ours
I do think we're not as good against a physical D line as we would like -
FTG! @MarlonsBrotherRaceBannon said:
Yeah but take away Ahmed's runThump said:
We ran for 193 yards today.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Point is us not being able to run when it matters has been an ongoing problem.FirePete said:
Dude if you can’t see that other team is also talented. I can’t help you. They were finePostGameOrangeSlices said:Can not reliably get positive yards against USC, Bama, ASU, Penn St, Stanford, Auburn, Cal, Ohio State, Cal again, USC again
They still get beat routinely when they are upper classmen laden with studs like Adams, McGary, Harris, Hilbers, etc.
Strausser's lines were actually better seeming than Huffs despite being less talented.
What's the deal?
Sure I'd like more, but it isn't as if they stuffed our run all day.
And we won by 2 TDs.
Kidding
USC d line is legit. One of them was almost ours
I do think we're not as good against a physical D line as we would like -
We are not going to steam roll those guys. The OL was ok for most part. Watty lack natural power which is hurting us sometimesRaceBannon said:
Yeah but take away Ahmed's runThump said:
We ran for 193 yards today.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Point is us not being able to run when it matters has been an ongoing problem.FirePete said:
Dude if you can’t see that other team is also talented. I can’t help you. They were finePostGameOrangeSlices said:Can not reliably get positive yards against USC, Bama, ASU, Penn St, Stanford, Auburn, Cal, Ohio State, Cal again, USC again
They still get beat routinely when they are upper classmen laden with studs like Adams, McGary, Harris, Hilbers, etc.
Strausser's lines were actually better seeming than Huffs despite being less talented.
What's the deal?
Sure I'd like more, but it isn't as if they stuffed our run all day.
And we won by 2 TDs.
Kidding
USC d line is legit. One of them was almost ours
I do think we're not as good against a physical D line as we would like -
I'm no football expert but our o line appeared to handle USC's d line pretty well. On some of the running plays it looked like there was a hole that our RBs did not commit to for whatever reason.
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The OL play was better that in 2016. And I think this USC DL is more talented than 2016 USC D Line
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On a third & short where SA got stuffed on zone right, but cut back hole to left. WhateverFenderbender123 said:I'm no football expert but our o line appeared to handle USC's d line pretty well. On some of the running plays it looked like there was a hole that our RBs did not commit to for whatever reason.
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This. Pass blocking was great. Eason got rushed like 2 or 3 times. Just because our O Line is good doesn't mean the other team isn't going to make a good play, especially with the talent of USC. Ahmed, although had a great run, still falls over after most initial contact and has a knack for finding a lineman to run into. We? Have other issues to worry about, such as shit WR and LBs, and a pass rush that seems non existant at times.Fenderbender123 said:I'm no football expert but our o line appeared to handle USC's d line pretty well. On some of the running plays it looked like there was a hole that our RBs did not commit to for whatever reason.
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191.2 rushing yards per game in 2019 vs 176.3 in 2018, 183.2 in 2017, 198.1 in 2016
1.4 sacks allowed per game in 2019 vs 1.7 in 2018, 1.54 in 2017, 1.86 in 2016
(Edit: I get what you're saying about consistency, and take out Ahmed's huge run and it's different statistics. But the line has not been a problem except for Wattenburg. He's been struggling really hard. That said, I really just wanted a chance to use the new gif that was dropped the other day) -
Probably my favorite gif I have given to you fuckers.DoogCourics said:191.2 rushing yards per game in 2019 vs 176.3 in 2018, 183.2 in 2017, 198.1 in 2016
1.4 sacks allowed per game in 2019 vs 1.7 in 2018, 1.54 in 2017, 1.86 in 2016
(Edit: I get what you're saying about consistency, and take out Ahmed's huge run and it's different statistics. But the line has not been a problem except for Wattenburg. He's been struggling really hard. That said, I really just wanted a chance to use the new gif that was dropped the other day) -
Well, everything has changed other than .... the shit show offense.PostGameOrangeSlices said:Can not reliably get positive yards against USC, Bama, ASU, Penn St, Stanford, Auburn, Cal, Ohio State, Cal again, USC again
They still get beat routinely when they are upper classmen laden with studs like Adams, McGary, Harris, Hilbers, etc.
Strausser's lines were actually better seeming than Huffs despite being less talented.
What's the deal?
Leach with the same players on offense would put up 40 points a game
I think this offense in this game is about 100 yards short passing. I don’t like they didn’t go over the top with Opera or Puka 2-3 times just to open things up. I also felt the quick passing game wasn’t there. Fuller slants are difficult to defend with Eason passing -
Fenderbender123 said:
I'm no football expert but our o line appeared to handle USC's d line pretty well. On some of the running plays it looked like there was a hole that our RBs did not commit to for whatever reason.
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This is true. Both Ahmed and Newton have a hard time bouncing outside for 5 extra yards. A lot of Gaskin's big runs were when the hole wasn't there and he ran laterally and out ran the other team. Although Ahmed doesn't have much lateral speed or shiftiness to him. He'd still get more yards bouncing outside rather than just crashing the pile.Fenderbender123 said:I'm no football expert but our o line appeared to handle USC's d line pretty well. On some of the running plays it looked like there was a hole that our RBs did not commit to for whatever reason.
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I thought about this last night as well. I'd be interested in hearing how people would rank our starters 1-5, what level you put them at with following choices:
Great
Very Good
Good
(won't use elite or average is everyone knows they are neither of them)
Finally, for the TBS'ers what do Curne/Ale, and the rest of the next wave have that might push us into the great/elite category? -
I’m not even a TBser and even I know we have four 4 ⭐️ olinemen coming in the current class. Which is more than the previous couple years combined. Also, didn’t we just haul a major Oline class a year ago? It’s good those young guys aren’t playing. Those guys need the extra year to prepare physically more than any other position on the field.
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It's amazing that we signed Harris as an afterthought and Watty was the 4 star OL in their class. Fast forward and Harris is potential all conference and Watty get run over way too often.ThomasFremont said:I’m not even a TBser and even I know we have four 4 ⭐️ olinemen coming in the current class. Which is more than the previous couple years combined. Also, didn’t we just haul a major Oline class a year ago? It’s good those young guys aren’t playing. Those guys need the extra year to prepare physically more than any other position on the field.
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This is the best pass blocking O Line we’ve had under Pete. Skinny was only really pressured 3 or 4 times yesterday
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Sad to see how far Leon Washington has fallenWilburHooksHands said:Fenderbender123 said:I'm no football expert but our o line appeared to handle USC's d line pretty well. On some of the running plays it looked like there was a hole that our RBs did not commit to for whatever reason.
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It's not just Marlon. There are recruiting battles USC won up and down their starting lineup. This is off of memory so it might not be perfect, but it should be close.RaceBannon said:
Yeah but take away Ahmed's runThump said:
We ran for 193 yards today.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Point is us not being able to run when it matters has been an ongoing problem.FirePete said:
Dude if you can’t see that other team is also talented. I can’t help you. They were finePostGameOrangeSlices said:Can not reliably get positive yards against USC, Bama, ASU, Penn St, Stanford, Auburn, Cal, Ohio State, Cal again, USC again
They still get beat routinely when they are upper classmen laden with studs like Adams, McGary, Harris, Hilbers, etc.
Strausser's lines were actually better seeming than Huffs despite being less talented.
What's the deal?
Sure I'd like more, but it isn't as if they stuffed our run all day.
And we won by 2 TDs.
Kidding
USC d line is legit. One of them was almost ours
I do think we're not as good against a physical D line as we would like
USC depth chart (mostly just starters here), recruits we were in on in BOLD:
QB: Matt Fink RS JR
RB: Vavae Malepeai RS JR, Stephen Carr JR
WR: Tyler Vaughns RS JR, Amon-Ra St. Brown SO, Michael Pittman Jr. SR, Velus Jones Jr. RS FR
TE: Erik Kroemmenhoek JR, Josh Falo JR
OL: Austin Jackson (LT) JR, Alijah Vera-Tucker (LG) RS SO, Brett Neilon (C) RS SO, Jalen McKenzie (RG) RS SO, Drew Richmond (RT) GS TR.
Offense doesn't look that bad for us, although this ignores Jude Wolfe FR and Justin Dedich RS FR in the 2-deeps, as well as Abdul-Malik McClain RS FR, who was a BUCK recruit but is listed for whatever reason here as a 2nd string wideout. The defense is where it gets ugly.
DE: Drake Jackson FR, Christian Rector RS SR, Connor Murphy RS JR, Caleb Tremblay RS JR TR.
DT: Jay Tufele RS SO, Nick Figueroa RS SO TR.
NT: Marlon Tuipulotu RS SO, Brandon Pili JR.
SAM: Hunter Echols RS SO, Juliano Falaniko RS SO
WILL: Palaie Gaoteote IV SO, Kana'i Mauga SO
MIKE: John Houston Jr. RS SR (offered but were not ever considered), Ralen Goforth FR.
CB: Olaijah Griffin SO, Isaac Taylor-Stuart RS FR, Jayden Williams FR, Chris Steele FR TR.
FS: Isaiah Pola-Mao RS SO, C.J. Pollard RS JR
SS: Talanoa Hufanga SO, Chase Williams RS FR (as a WR).
NB: Greg Johnson RS SO, Chase Williams RS FR.
I'm going to let everyone draw their own conclusions, but that paints a pretty clear picture to my eyes. -
The picture is that USC is super talented.jhfstyle24 said:
It's not just Marlon. There are recruiting battles USC won up and down their starting lineup. This is off of memory so it might not be perfect, but it should be close.RaceBannon said:
Yeah but take away Ahmed's runThump said:
We ran for 193 yards today.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Point is us not being able to run when it matters has been an ongoing problem.FirePete said:
Dude if you can’t see that other team is also talented. I can’t help you. They were finePostGameOrangeSlices said:Can not reliably get positive yards against USC, Bama, ASU, Penn St, Stanford, Auburn, Cal, Ohio State, Cal again, USC again
They still get beat routinely when they are upper classmen laden with studs like Adams, McGary, Harris, Hilbers, etc.
Strausser's lines were actually better seeming than Huffs despite being less talented.
What's the deal?
Sure I'd like more, but it isn't as if they stuffed our run all day.
And we won by 2 TDs.
Kidding
USC d line is legit. One of them was almost ours
I do think we're not as good against a physical D line as we would like
USC depth chart (mostly just starters here), recruits we were in on in BOLD:
QB: Matt Fink RS JR
RB: Vavae Malepeai RS JR, Stephen Carr JR
WR: Tyler Vaughns RS JR, Amon-Ra St. Brown SO, Michael Pittman Jr. SR, Velus Jones Jr. RS FR
TE: Erik Kroemmenhoek JR, Josh Falo JR
OL: Austin Jackson (LT) JR, Alijah Vera-Tucker (LG) RS SO, Brett Neilon (C) RS SO, Jalen McKenzie (RG) RS SO, Drew Richmond (RT) GS TR.
Offense doesn't look that bad for us, although this ignores Jude Wolfe FR and Justin Dedich RS FR in the 2-deeps, as well as Abdul-Malik McClain RS FR, who was a BUCK recruit but is listed for whatever reason here as a 2nd string wideout. The defense is where it gets ugly.
DE: Drake Jackson FR, Christian Rector RS SR, Connor Murphy RS JR, Caleb Tremblay RS JR TR.
DT: Jay Tufele RS SO, Nick Figueroa RS SO TR.
NT: Marlon Tuipulotu RS SO, Brandon Pili JR.
SAM: Hunter Echols RS SO, Juliano Falaniko RS SO
WILL: Palaie Gaoteote IV SO, Kana'i Mauga SO
MIKE: John Houston Jr. RS SR (offered but were not ever considered), Ralen Goforth FR.
CB: Olaijah Griffin SO, Isaac Taylor-Stuart RS FR, Jayden Williams FR, Chris Steele FR TR.
FS: Isaiah Pola-Mao RS SO, C.J. Pollard RS JR
SS: Talanoa Hufanga SO, Chase Williams RS FR (as a WR).
NB: Greg Johnson RS SO, Chase Williams RS FR.
I'm going to let everyone draw their own conclusions, but that paints a pretty clear picture to my eyes.
Unless they inexplicably keep Clay Helton for another couple years they will always be super talented.
Anyone but Clay can recruit there.
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Well, that and the fact that with a legitimate coach next year their defense could be absolutely terrifying.dnc said:
The picture is that USC is super talented.jhfstyle24 said:
It's not just Marlon. There are recruiting battles USC won up and down their starting lineup. This is off of memory so it might not be perfect, but it should be close.RaceBannon said:
Yeah but take away Ahmed's runThump said:
We ran for 193 yards today.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Point is us not being able to run when it matters has been an ongoing problem.FirePete said:
Dude if you can’t see that other team is also talented. I can’t help you. They were finePostGameOrangeSlices said:Can not reliably get positive yards against USC, Bama, ASU, Penn St, Stanford, Auburn, Cal, Ohio State, Cal again, USC again
They still get beat routinely when they are upper classmen laden with studs like Adams, McGary, Harris, Hilbers, etc.
Strausser's lines were actually better seeming than Huffs despite being less talented.
What's the deal?
Sure I'd like more, but it isn't as if they stuffed our run all day.
And we won by 2 TDs.
Kidding
USC d line is legit. One of them was almost ours
I do think we're not as good against a physical D line as we would like
USC depth chart (mostly just starters here), recruits we were in on in BOLD:
QB: Matt Fink RS JR
RB: Vavae Malepeai RS JR, Stephen Carr JR
WR: Tyler Vaughns RS JR, Amon-Ra St. Brown SO, Michael Pittman Jr. SR, Velus Jones Jr. RS FR
TE: Erik Kroemmenhoek JR, Josh Falo JR
OL: Austin Jackson (LT) JR, Alijah Vera-Tucker (LG) RS SO, Brett Neilon (C) RS SO, Jalen McKenzie (RG) RS SO, Drew Richmond (RT) GS TR.
Offense doesn't look that bad for us, although this ignores Jude Wolfe FR and Justin Dedich RS FR in the 2-deeps, as well as Abdul-Malik McClain RS FR, who was a BUCK recruit but is listed for whatever reason here as a 2nd string wideout. The defense is where it gets ugly.
DE: Drake Jackson FR, Christian Rector RS SR, Connor Murphy RS JR, Caleb Tremblay RS JR TR.
DT: Jay Tufele RS SO, Nick Figueroa RS SO TR.
NT: Marlon Tuipulotu RS SO, Brandon Pili JR.
SAM: Hunter Echols RS SO, Juliano Falaniko RS SO
WILL: Palaie Gaoteote IV SO, Kana'i Mauga SO
MIKE: John Houston Jr. RS SR (offered but were not ever considered), Ralen Goforth FR.
CB: Olaijah Griffin SO, Isaac Taylor-Stuart RS FR, Jayden Williams FR, Chris Steele FR TR.
FS: Isaiah Pola-Mao RS SO, C.J. Pollard RS JR
SS: Talanoa Hufanga SO, Chase Williams RS FR (as a WR).
NB: Greg Johnson RS SO, Chase Williams RS FR.
I'm going to let everyone draw their own conclusions, but that paints a pretty clear picture to my eyes.
Unless they inexplicably keep Clay Helton for another couple years they will always be super talented.
Anyone but Clay can recruit there. -
Good thing we play them in LA!jhfstyle24 said:
Well, that and the fact that with a legitimate coach next year their defense could be absolutely terrifying.dnc said:
The picture is that USC is super talented.jhfstyle24 said:
It's not just Marlon. There are recruiting battles USC won up and down their starting lineup. This is off of memory so it might not be perfect, but it should be close.RaceBannon said:
Yeah but take away Ahmed's runThump said:
We ran for 193 yards today.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Point is us not being able to run when it matters has been an ongoing problem.FirePete said:
Dude if you can’t see that other team is also talented. I can’t help you. They were finePostGameOrangeSlices said:Can not reliably get positive yards against USC, Bama, ASU, Penn St, Stanford, Auburn, Cal, Ohio State, Cal again, USC again
They still get beat routinely when they are upper classmen laden with studs like Adams, McGary, Harris, Hilbers, etc.
Strausser's lines were actually better seeming than Huffs despite being less talented.
What's the deal?
Sure I'd like more, but it isn't as if they stuffed our run all day.
And we won by 2 TDs.
Kidding
USC d line is legit. One of them was almost ours
I do think we're not as good against a physical D line as we would like
USC depth chart (mostly just starters here), recruits we were in on in BOLD:
QB: Matt Fink RS JR
RB: Vavae Malepeai RS JR, Stephen Carr JR
WR: Tyler Vaughns RS JR, Amon-Ra St. Brown SO, Michael Pittman Jr. SR, Velus Jones Jr. RS FR
TE: Erik Kroemmenhoek JR, Josh Falo JR
OL: Austin Jackson (LT) JR, Alijah Vera-Tucker (LG) RS SO, Brett Neilon (C) RS SO, Jalen McKenzie (RG) RS SO, Drew Richmond (RT) GS TR.
Offense doesn't look that bad for us, although this ignores Jude Wolfe FR and Justin Dedich RS FR in the 2-deeps, as well as Abdul-Malik McClain RS FR, who was a BUCK recruit but is listed for whatever reason here as a 2nd string wideout. The defense is where it gets ugly.
DE: Drake Jackson FR, Christian Rector RS SR, Connor Murphy RS JR, Caleb Tremblay RS JR TR.
DT: Jay Tufele RS SO, Nick Figueroa RS SO TR.
NT: Marlon Tuipulotu RS SO, Brandon Pili JR.
SAM: Hunter Echols RS SO, Juliano Falaniko RS SO
WILL: Palaie Gaoteote IV SO, Kana'i Mauga SO
MIKE: John Houston Jr. RS SR (offered but were not ever considered), Ralen Goforth FR.
CB: Olaijah Griffin SO, Isaac Taylor-Stuart RS FR, Jayden Williams FR, Chris Steele FR TR.
FS: Isaiah Pola-Mao RS SO, C.J. Pollard RS JR
SS: Talanoa Hufanga SO, Chase Williams RS FR (as a WR).
NB: Greg Johnson RS SO, Chase Williams RS FR.
I'm going to let everyone draw their own conclusions, but that paints a pretty clear picture to my eyes.
Unless they inexplicably keep Clay Helton for another couple years they will always be super talented.
Anyone but Clay can recruit there.
