Pete’s plunger guard
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That's all I've wanted to hear from you @creepycoug - i.e., Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy ain't real. Urbs is an all time great and a level above Pete (until Pete gets a NT) and his success at 3 programs in unparalleled. As @Dennis_DeYoung always say, talent don't mean shit w/o good corching. My goal here for us to not harsh on Pete too much for losing to Satan and Urbs with vastly inferior talent.creepycoug said:
If there's no magic, there's no miracle worker then. I can live with that. I've never believed in unicorns anyway.YellowSnow said:
Exacatly. No one was prepared for the @oregonblitzkrieg and Chip came damn close to pulling off a miracle. No one is winning a NT in this era w/o elite talent. The evidence is very clear in this repspeck: there is not such thing as magic.RaceBannon said:It remains to be seen if Chip's magic was an offense that no one was ready for or if he can still do it when everyone knows what he is doing
Outliers like the Wishbone come along and beat everyone until they don't. The Wishbone started out as a way for loser schools to compete then Darrell Royal and the Bear used it with the top talent. Switzer as well
In time the passing and quick strike ability of a Miami sent the Wishbone to the dustbin
Still, Urbs. Winner at every stop. Don't underestimate how hard it is to take your show on the road. Most coaches can never rekindle the magic. The numbers are grim. -
My boss just said we're gonna "blitzkrieg" through the call today. I IM'd him, "too much war imagery".oregonblitzkrieg said:YellowSnow said:Chip is the closest to a “miracle worker” I’m aware of in the CFP/BCS era. He almost won a NT with well less than 50 percent of the roster being blue chip recruits. Took an NFL ROY and MVP to stop him and save the world.
YellowSnow said:
Exacatly. No one was prepared for the @oregonblitzkrieg and Chip came damn close to pulling off a miracle. No one is winning a NT in this era w/o elite talent. The evidence is very clear in this repspeck: there is not such thing as magic.RaceBannon said:It remains to be seen if Chip's magic was an offense that no one was ready for or if he can still do it when everyone knows what he is doing
Outliers like the Wishbone come along and beat everyone until they don't. The Wishbone started out as a way for loser schools to compete then Darrell Royal and the Bear used it with the top talent. Switzer as well
In time the passing and quick strike ability of a Miami sent the Wishbone to the dustbin
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Chizak and Dabo both won NT's a "reasonable" amount of elite talent (i.e., top 10- 15 level) but were helped by 1st overall NFL pick QBs. Chip winning in 2010 would have been an unparalleled achievement in the BCS/CFP era.creepycoug said:
At least elite talent in reasonable amounts.YellowSnow said:
Exacatly. No one was prepared for the @oregonblitzkrieg and Chip came damn close to pulling off a miracle. No one is winning a NT in this era w/o elite talent. The evidence is very clear in this repspeck: there is not such thing as magic.RaceBannon said:It remains to be seen if Chip's magic was an offense that no one was ready for or if he can still do it when everyone knows what he is doing
Outliers like the Wishbone come along and beat everyone until they don't. The Wishbone started out as a way for loser schools to compete then Darrell Royal and the Bear used it with the top talent. Switzer as well
In time the passing and quick strike ability of a Miami sent the Wishbone to the dustbin -
I miss this @oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg said:YellowSnow said:Chip is the closest to a “miracle worker” I’m aware of in the CFP/BCS era. He almost won a NT with well less than 50 percent of the roster being blue chip recruits. Took an NFL ROY and MVP to stop him and save the world.
YellowSnow said:
Exacatly. No one was prepared for the @oregonblitzkrieg and Chip came damn close to pulling off a miracle. No one is winning a NT in this era w/o elite talent. The evidence is very clear in this repspeck: there is not such thing as magic.RaceBannon said:It remains to be seen if Chip's magic was an offense that no one was ready for or if he can still do it when everyone knows what he is doing
Outliers like the Wishbone come along and beat everyone until they don't. The Wishbone started out as a way for loser schools to compete then Darrell Royal and the Bear used it with the top talent. Switzer as well
In time the passing and quick strike ability of a Miami sent the Wishbone to the dustbin -
If they had another decent guard they would have had nattyYellowSnow said:
Chizak and Dabo both won NT's a "reasonable" amount of elite talent (i.e., top 10- 15 level) but were helped by 1st overall NFL pick QBs. Chip winning in 2010 would have been an unparalleled achievement in the BCS/CFP era.creepycoug said:
At least elite talent in reasonable amounts.YellowSnow said:
Exacatly. No one was prepared for the @oregonblitzkrieg and Chip came damn close to pulling off a miracle. No one is winning a NT in this era w/o elite talent. The evidence is very clear in this repspeck: there is not such thing as magic.RaceBannon said:It remains to be seen if Chip's magic was an offense that no one was ready for or if he can still do it when everyone knows what he is doing
Outliers like the Wishbone come along and beat everyone until they don't. The Wishbone started out as a way for loser schools to compete then Darrell Royal and the Bear used it with the top talent. Switzer as well
In time the passing and quick strike ability of a Miami sent the Wishbone to the dustbin -
I think there could be some debate about 'vastly' with last year's Ohio State team. That wasn't any kind of Ohio State all time killer. Pretty flawed team. He should have been more competitive with them. Same with PSU. Bama no question.YellowSnow said:
That's all I've wanted to hear from you @creepycoug - i.e., Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy ain't real. Urbs is an all time great and a level above Pete (until Pete gets a NT) and his success at 3 programs in unparalleled. As @Dennis_DeYoung always say, talent don't mean shit w/o good corching. My goal here for us to not harsh on Pete too much for losing to Satan and Urbs with vastly inferior talent.creepycoug said:
If there's no magic, there's no miracle worker then. I can live with that. I've never believed in unicorns anyway.YellowSnow said:
Exacatly. No one was prepared for the @oregonblitzkrieg and Chip came damn close to pulling off a miracle. No one is winning a NT in this era w/o elite talent. The evidence is very clear in this repspeck: there is not such thing as magic.RaceBannon said:It remains to be seen if Chip's magic was an offense that no one was ready for or if he can still do it when everyone knows what he is doing
Outliers like the Wishbone come along and beat everyone until they don't. The Wishbone started out as a way for loser schools to compete then Darrell Royal and the Bear used it with the top talent. Switzer as well
In time the passing and quick strike ability of a Miami sent the Wishbone to the dustbin
Still, Urbs. Winner at every stop. Don't underestimate how hard it is to take your show on the road. Most coaches can never rekindle the magic. The numbers are grim. -
How are you of all people not throwing this guy's hat in the ring?creepycoug said:
Whosoever has done more at more places?YellowSnow said:
I meant no dis-respeck. I am trying to dispell this myth that Urbs and Saban "walk on water". They are great coaches who get elite talent and get said talent to live up to expectations. But neither of their successes at multiple schools have been "miraculous".creepycoug said:
You see? It's this level of disrespect that has caused me to withhold my campaign support.YellowSnow said:
Bull shit @creepycoug . Urbs didn't win his first NT in 2006 with top 25 recruiting classes. Florida was stacking top 5 classes before he took the jerb. Look it up.creepycoug said:
UrbsYellowSnow said:
Disagree. I think getting plungered regularly is more of a beta program symptom than Pete going 0-3 vs Satan, NFL Rookie of the Year, and Urbs.FirePete said:
beta mentally. win or gtfo. pete has a great defense, but we are paying him $7 mill put a team that has special team / offense / defense. he only delivering on 1/3 of the equation. I just hope this year the special team will get better because depth at LB and DB is better. offese will get better because ur downsyndrome of a QB not suiting up.YellowSnow said:Or we could agree that lack of plungerings is a sign of good coaching. How many times did DJ get plungered in 18 years? Not very many. Lambo, Rick, Gilbyham and Sark all got curb stomped over and over.
Pete is a great coach, but not a miracle worker. Who in college football is? Name me one.
HOF. Top 2 corch of the modern era of CFP, yes. Miracle worker winning NTs with non blue blood level talent, NO.
Saban was mediocrity personified at Michigan State and lasted just long enough for a cup o' coffee in the league.
Spurrier made Duke respectable, made Florida a power, and made S. Carolina respectable. Meyer did more.
Jimmy made Okie State respectable, built a power at Miami that would outlast him, and built Dallas up from nothing. If that's your guy, I'm listening.
DJ was solid at Kent State, built a program at Washington and opted for early retirement. Not in the convo.
Meyer did it at Bowling, Utah, won 2 at Florida, one of which was against an arguably better team, won one at Buck and slept walk through a Rose Bowl over Peterman.
If it ain't Meyer it's nobody.
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technically 2 tricks plays.RaceBannon said:Petersen beat OU in 2007 with a trick play
Bet you didn't know that
The hook and ladder to tie the game and the Statue of Liberty to win it. -
No telling what he could have accomplished had he stayed. He was a good coach, but he sure didn't prove that he could match what Urbs has done at multiple stops. What else did he ever do?Emoterman said:
How are you of all people not throwing this guy's hat in the ring?creepycoug said:
Whosoever has done more at more places?YellowSnow said:
I meant no dis-respeck. I am trying to dispell this myth that Urbs and Saban "walk on water". They are great coaches who get elite talent and get said talent to live up to expectations. But neither of their successes at multiple schools have been "miraculous".creepycoug said:
You see? It's this level of disrespect that has caused me to withhold my campaign support.YellowSnow said:
Bull shit @creepycoug . Urbs didn't win his first NT in 2006 with top 25 recruiting classes. Florida was stacking top 5 classes before he took the jerb. Look it up.creepycoug said:
UrbsYellowSnow said:
Disagree. I think getting plungered regularly is more of a beta program symptom than Pete going 0-3 vs Satan, NFL Rookie of the Year, and Urbs.FirePete said:
beta mentally. win or gtfo. pete has a great defense, but we are paying him $7 mill put a team that has special team / offense / defense. he only delivering on 1/3 of the equation. I just hope this year the special team will get better because depth at LB and DB is better. offese will get better because ur downsyndrome of a QB not suiting up.YellowSnow said:Or we could agree that lack of plungerings is a sign of good coaching. How many times did DJ get plungered in 18 years? Not very many. Lambo, Rick, Gilbyham and Sark all got curb stomped over and over.
Pete is a great coach, but not a miracle worker. Who in college football is? Name me one.
HOF. Top 2 corch of the modern era of CFP, yes. Miracle worker winning NTs with non blue blood level talent, NO.
Saban was mediocrity personified at Michigan State and lasted just long enough for a cup o' coffee in the league.
Spurrier made Duke respectable, made Florida a power, and made S. Carolina respectable. Meyer did more.
Jimmy made Okie State respectable, built a power at Miami that would outlast him, and built Dallas up from nothing. If that's your guy, I'm listening.
DJ was solid at Kent State, built a program at Washington and opted for early retirement. Not in the convo.
Meyer did it at Bowling, Utah, won 2 at Florida, one of which was against an arguably better team, won one at Buck and slept walk through a Rose Bowl over Peterman.
If it ain't Meyer it's nobody.
I'll grant you that the '83 Miami team was not the talent buffet that future Miami teams would become, but there were some great players on that team who went on to have really solid NFL careers. What made that happen as much as anything was having an insanely accurate passing QB who had big brass balls in Bernie Kosar, a first round pick at WR in Eddie Brown, and a lunch pale TE in Glenn Dennison. Miami ran a pro set offense and their passing game made Nebraska feel like they were on Mars. Couple that with a couple of solid running backs who did their part, and you have what was the backbone of that upset. Those powerful Big 8 Nebraska and Oklahoma State teams didn't see sophisticated passing until they got into January, and they ran into it with that Miami team.
I think Johnson had the better body of work, though he won only one title there himself. -
It wasn't the talent buffet of later teams, but @creepycoug Howard was still a revolutionary when it came to TBSing and that's what got them their first NT. It doesn't matter how good of a corch you are - you still need a certain level of talent to win NT's and Pete's finally bringing in those classes now.creepycoug said:
No telling what he could have accomplished had he stayed. He was a good coach, but he sure didn't prove that he could match what Urbs has done at multiple stops. What else did he ever do?Emoterman said:
How are you of all people not throwing this guy's hat in the ring?creepycoug said:
Whosoever has done more at more places?YellowSnow said:
I meant no dis-respeck. I am trying to dispell this myth that Urbs and Saban "walk on water". They are great coaches who get elite talent and get said talent to live up to expectations. But neither of their successes at multiple schools have been "miraculous".creepycoug said:
You see? It's this level of disrespect that has caused me to withhold my campaign support.YellowSnow said:
Bull shit @creepycoug . Urbs didn't win his first NT in 2006 with top 25 recruiting classes. Florida was stacking top 5 classes before he took the jerb. Look it up.creepycoug said:
UrbsYellowSnow said:
Disagree. I think getting plungered regularly is more of a beta program symptom than Pete going 0-3 vs Satan, NFL Rookie of the Year, and Urbs.FirePete said:
beta mentally. win or gtfo. pete has a great defense, but we are paying him $7 mill put a team that has special team / offense / defense. he only delivering on 1/3 of the equation. I just hope this year the special team will get better because depth at LB and DB is better. offese will get better because ur downsyndrome of a QB not suiting up.YellowSnow said:Or we could agree that lack of plungerings is a sign of good coaching. How many times did DJ get plungered in 18 years? Not very many. Lambo, Rick, Gilbyham and Sark all got curb stomped over and over.
Pete is a great coach, but not a miracle worker. Who in college football is? Name me one.
HOF. Top 2 corch of the modern era of CFP, yes. Miracle worker winning NTs with non blue blood level talent, NO.
Saban was mediocrity personified at Michigan State and lasted just long enough for a cup o' coffee in the league.
Spurrier made Duke respectable, made Florida a power, and made S. Carolina respectable. Meyer did more.
Jimmy made Okie State respectable, built a power at Miami that would outlast him, and built Dallas up from nothing. If that's your guy, I'm listening.
DJ was solid at Kent State, built a program at Washington and opted for early retirement. Not in the convo.
Meyer did it at Bowling, Utah, won 2 at Florida, one of which was against an arguably better team, won one at Buck and slept walk through a Rose Bowl over Peterman.
If it ain't Meyer it's nobody.
I'll grant you that the '83 Miami team was not the talent buffet that future Miami teams would become, but there were some great players on that team who went on to have really solid NFL careers. What made that happen as much as anything was having an insanely accurate passing QB who had big brass balls in Bernie Kosar, a first round pick at WR in Eddie Brown, and a lunch pale TE in Glenn Dennison. Miami ran a pro set offense and their passing game made Nebraska feel like they were on Mars. Couple that with a couple of solid running backs who did their part, and you have what was the backbone of that upset. Those powerful Big 8 Nebraska and Oklahoma State teams didn't see sophisticated passing until they got into January, and they ran into it with that Miami team.
I think Johnson had the better body of work, though he won only one title there himself.
