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51% of mass shooters in 2019 were black, 29% were white, and 11% were Latino.

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  • CirrhosisDawgCirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    SFGbob said:

    Yes, yes, El Monte, I'm scared of your daunting intellect.
    I know. It’s obvious.
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 23,404
    dnc said:

    Well in that case I disagree with your distinctions here. The biggest issue is with mass shootings not with terrorism. The biggest issue is with people not feeling safe in public and not knowing if somebody is going to pull a gun and start shooting random people. That's why people talk all the time about mass shootings, not because a small portion of those shootings are domestic terrorism.

    I'm not saying the terrorism isn't worse. But people don't cite statistics about one mass shooting every _______ days because they're trying to imply a terrorist attack every _____ days. It's because they're scare of mass shootings, not domestic terrorists.
    I agree that people are concerned about random violence and becoming collateral damage, regardless of motive and that’s where common sense gun control measures can be discussed. I also agree that it doesn’t help to conflate personal grudges with impersonal acts of terrorism, where the whole point is to run up the body count. Our much maligned security institutions told us years ago that the domestic terror coming from the Right was a serious threat. Whether a sober reaction to those reports would have prevented the El Paso massacre is pure speculation, but we know who politicized those reports.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Is this domestic terrorism?

    A person was killed and seven others wounded in a shooting Sunday at a Lawndale block party.

    Eight people were shot about 3:43 a.m. in the 4200 block of West 18th Street, Chicago police said.

    Demetrius Flowers, 33, was struck in the chest and taken to Mount Sinai Hospital, Chicago police and the Cook County medical examiner’s office said.

    An autopsy found he died of a gunshot wound to the back, the medical examiner’s office said.

    The other seven victims were being treated at local hospitals and were in conditions ranging from good to fair, police said. No further information was immediately available.


    People are attending a block party and they are attacked. Seems pretty terroristic to me. Many of these shooting also have a racial component. Rival black gangs attacking rival Hispanic gangs and vice versa.

    But for some reason these shooting don't count according to O'Keefed.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    What was the ideological motivation for Sandy Hook and the Las Vegas shootings? Were these part of the serious threat from the Right that we were warned about?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Are cop killers engaging in domestic terrorism O'Keefed or are they just carrying out personal grudges?
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    It's funny that these are both the same when discussing "common sense" gun laws but different now.
    Doesn't Chicago already have "common sense" gun laws and aren't the shooting in Chicago exactly the kind of shootings that O'Keefed says "common sense" gun control laws can be employed?
  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,738 Founders Club

    It's funny that these are both the same when discussing "common sense" gun laws but different now.
    I'd like his views on what "common sense" gun laws I should be subjected to, as a tax paying law abiding citizen with a constitutional right to firearms. I always love when we are getting "common sense" laws. Nobody ever explains precisely what that means. I wonder why that is?
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 23,404

    It's funny that these are both the same when discussing "common sense" gun laws but different now.
    If you’re saying more than common sense gun laws are required to combat terrorism, I agree. Domestic terrorism seems to be a very white phenomenon recently.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    HHusky said:

    If you’re saying more than common sense gun laws are required to combat terrorism, I agree. Domestic terrorism seems to be a very white phenomenon recently.
    Yeah, especially when you have your own personal definition of what constitutes "domestic terrorism."

  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 23,404
    SFGbob said:

    Yeah, especially when you have your own personal definition of what constitutes "domestic terrorism."

    I was just fortunate enough to have my own personal definition enacted by Congress in 2001.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    Under the 2001 USA Patriot Act, domestic terrorism is defined as "activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state; (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S." This definition is made for the purposes of authorizing law enforcement investigations. While international terrorism ("acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries") is a defined crime in federal law,[5] no federal criminal offense exists which is referred to as "domestic terrorism". Acts of domestic terrorism are charged under specific laws, such as killing federal agents or "attempting to use explosives to destroy a building in interstate commerce".[6]


    Appear that this could be applied to many "mass shooting."
  • HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 23,404
    SFGbob said:

    Under the 2001 USA Patriot Act, domestic terrorism is defined as "activities that (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the U.S. or of any state; (B) appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S." This definition is made for the purposes of authorizing law enforcement investigations. While international terrorism ("acts of terrorism transcending national boundaries") is a defined crime in federal law,[5] no federal criminal offense exists which is referred to as "domestic terrorism". Acts of domestic terrorism are charged under specific laws, such as killing federal agents or "attempting to use explosives to destroy a building in interstate commerce".[6]


    Appear that this could be applied to many "mass shooting."

    A very low percentage.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 36,851 Standard Supporter
    Swaye said:

    I'd like his views on what "common sense" gun laws I should be subjected to, as a tax paying law abiding citizen with a constitutional right to firearms. I always love when we are getting "common sense" laws. Nobody ever explains precisely what that means. I wonder why that is?
    What's funnier is a liberal using the term "common sense".
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    So if I shoot up my rival's house party I'm not engaging in act that's dangerous to human life intended to intimidate a civilian population?

  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,613
    Are you afraid of all white neighborhoods?

    Are you afraid of all black neighborhoods?

    Case closed. End of discussion
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 36,851 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    If you’re saying more than common sense gun laws are required to combat terrorism, I agree. Domestic terrorism seems to be a very white phenomenon recently.
    And predominately democrat/commie/socialist or progressive. Outlaw all of those and problem solved.

    At least that's the thought process on your side.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    What would be more effective in dealing with these mass shootings? "Common Sense" gun laws or a complete media embargo on the reporting of the names and manifestos and photos of the killers?

    We know for a fact that these mass shooters research previous mass shootings. Columbine is said to have been responsible for inspiring dozens and dozens of these mass shooters because of the way the shooters were portrayed in the MSM.

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