If Shaq Thompson wants to fast track to the NFL
can send Kam Chancellor a thank you letter for making NFL teams once against salivate over large Safeties.
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Kam Chancellor is a very rare player. Shaq gets burned fairly often at LB. I think he is playing the right position. Hopefully this year it all comes together and he produces like he is capable of.DawgDaze71 said:He will walk into Spring Ball and beg Coach K to let him take Sean Parkers SS position. After he graduates he
can send Kam Chancellor a thank you letter for making NFL teams once against salivate over large Safeties.
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I think LB requires such a different skillset that it hampers a kid with Shaq's natural ability.
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Shaq is another player with great talent but due to poor coaching hasn't met his potential yet. I think you'll start to see guys like him, Feeney, Shirley finally reach their potential.
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Every player will be coached up.....we actually have coaches who can develop talent.
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Shaq at strong safety..... It's a lot easier not to get "burned" playing the SS position with his skill set. He's not meant to shed muther fucking offensive linemen to make a tackle Road. He and Budda at FS in the back field, Kelly and peters at corner. Move Shirley back to a spot they can take advantage of his speed to the QB, and length to OLB, Feeney and Timu to add experience.
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I think it might be worth trying in Spring ball with the lack of depth at safety. Let him play close to the line and make plays. If he can't cover well enough, move him back to LB. I think it is worth experimenting with, but like I said, there aren't many guys who are Shaq's size playing safety. The coverage responsibilities at safety are tougher than covering a TE or RB at LB. We'll see if he changes spots. I think he has a big year this year at LB.
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My thinking on this is getting the best players on the field and getting size on the field.
Shaq is 225lbs. That's Malcolm Smith (Seahawk LB) size and Smitty isn't a guy that can play the whole game because he's not large enough. So if our Defense is going to propel us to a championship we need to get nastier on the DL and get some bangers at LB.
So it could be:
Timu - MLB 240lbs
Feeney - OLB 225lbs
O'Brien- OLB 235lbs
Thompson- SS 220lbs
King/Baker/Walker/Beaver - FS
Backup LB:
Bierra - 210lbs
Victor -240lbs
Constantine - 240lbs
Doing this eliminates having virtually no experience at the Safety position. It gives us an NFL body at SS and more size at LB across the 3. The reason why i'm slotting O'Brien in is because he supposedly looked like a terror on the Scout team.
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DawgDaze71 said:
My thinking on this is getting the best players on the field and getting size on the field.
Shaq is 225lbs. That's Malcolm Smith (Seahawk LB) size and Smitty isn't a guy that can play the whole game because he's not large enough. So if our Defense is going to propel us to a championship we need to get nastier on the DL and get some bangers at LB.
So it could be:
Timu - MLB 240lbs
Feeney - OLB 225lbs
O'Brien- OLB 235lbs
Thompson- SS 220lbs
King/Baker/Walker/Beaver - FS
Backup LB:
Bierra - 210lbs
Victor -240lbs
Constantine - 240lbs
Doing this eliminates having virtually no experience at the Safety position. It gives us an NFL body at SS and more size at LB across the 3. The reason why i'm slotting O'Brien in is because he supposedly looked like a terror on the Scout team.
So did Shirley going against Kohler and company...you have Baker behind King? Seriously?
Shaq will destroy people at Strong Safety and I'm positive Budda will be one of the quickest, cover safeties in the country. Shirley will be our starting OLB, Sark is a fucktard for putting him on the defensive line to begin with. Qualls, and Shelton in the middle with Jamora and Mathis bringing the edge heat. Fuck that 3-4 shit that Sark and Wilcox tried -
ahhh yes, here we go already with the true freshmen starting in the defensive secondary is the way to get back to the top. how about let budda put on 15 pounds and get coached up before we anoint him the next savior again.
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The tank is slam empty at safety . If we had 2 RS JUNIORS returning at safety I'd agree with you. Baker is possibly better at safety than anyone we have on the roster so of course he should play, he has to play if we want to win some games.. Sark had problems with preperation at certain positions.
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He could loose 30lbs and weigh more than KingMeek said:ahhh yes, here we go already with the true freshmen starting in the defensive secondary is the way to get back to the top. how about let budda put on 15 pounds and get coached up before we anoint him the next savior again.
HTH
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I don't disagree he'll be better than anyone else we have but i think we need to start the redshirt process right away and let the first year after sark exist with an eye on 2-3 years from now.puppylove_sugarsteel said:The tank is slam empty at safety . If we had 2 RS JUNIORS returning at safety I'd agree with you. Baker is possibly better at safety than anyone we have on the roster so of course he should play, he has to play if we want to win some games.. Sark had problems with preperation at certain positions.
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Not with Budda. He's too good, just like Kasen, ASJ, Shaq, Sankey, Shelton. The best guys have to play, regardless of class. If he's the fourth best safety (not happening) then redshirting him is fine, but if he's in the top 3, he has to be ready to play. I am pissed about wasting guys like Kevin Smith, Ducre, Farria, Mathis, and Darrell Daniels, but if a guy is elite, you have to play them.Meek said:
I don't disagree he'll be better than anyone else we have but i think we need to start the redshirt process right away and let the first year after sark exist with an eye on 2-3 years from now.puppylove_sugarsteel said:The tank is slam empty at safety . If we had 2 RS JUNIORS returning at safety I'd agree with you. Baker is possibly better at safety than anyone we have on the roster so of course he should play, he has to play if we want to win some games.. Sark had problems with preperation at certain positions.
Guys who don't redshirt should start or get solid playing time. Hopefully there will be no more guys like Daniels and Smith who only play on special teams, or Farria and Mathis who play only in blow outs.
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This. It makes too much sense for Sark to ever consider doing it.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Shaq at strong safety..... It's a lot easier not to get "burned" playing the SS position with his skill set. He's not meant to shed muther fucking offensive linemen to make a tackle Road. He and Budda at FS in the back field, Kelly and peters at corner. Move Shirley back to a spot they can take advantage of his speed to the QB, and length to OLB, Feeney and Timu to add experience.
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cool dude brah, but i don't think the 3 plays a year we notice Budda make as a true freshmen warrant blowing his redshirt. i'm just looking for the actual future.RoadDawg55 said:
Not with Budda. He's too good, just like Kasen, ASJ, Shaq, Sankey, Shelton. The best guys have to play, regardless of class. If he's the fourth best safety (not happening) then redshirting him is fine, but if he's in the top 3, he has to be ready to play. I am pissed about wasting guys like Kevin Smith, Ducre, Farria, Mathis, and Darrell Daniels, but if a guy is elite, you have to play them.Meek said:
I don't disagree he'll be better than anyone else we have but i think we need to start the redshirt process right away and let the first year after sark exist with an eye on 2-3 years from now.puppylove_sugarsteel said:The tank is slam empty at safety . If we had 2 RS JUNIORS returning at safety I'd agree with you. Baker is possibly better at safety than anyone we have on the roster so of course he should play, he has to play if we want to win some games.. Sark had problems with preperation at certain positions.
Guys who don't redshirt should start or get solid playing time. Hopefully there will be no more guys like Daniels and Smith who only play on special teams, or Farria and Mathis who play only in blow outs. -
and with Peterman's first year he should save his war horses for when he has his guys in there. Don't forget how Woody has downgraded the schedule so we play a watered down schedule we should be bowel eligible early and save the kid to build a championship quality group in year 3.
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PostGameOrangeSlices said:
This. It makes too much sense for Sark to ever consider doing it.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Shaq at strong safety..... It's a lot easier not to get "burned" playing the SS position with his skill set. He's not meant to shed muther fucking offensive linemen to make a tackle Road. He and Budda at FS in the back field, Kelly and peters at corner. Move Shirley back to a spot they can take advantage of his speed to the QB, and length to OLB, Feeney and Timu to add experience.
To be honest, that's a pretty nasty defense with the right coaching staff. I'm glad to ditch the pussified 3-4 and get Quals and Shelton on the field together, Shelton is a war daddy! Mathis and Jamora on the edge with Shirley targeting the QB. Petters and Dixon/Kelly with Shaq at Strong Safety, Buda at Free Safety. Timu will lead this defense with cerebral game and Feeny should return to form.
I'd be surprised if Peterson doesn't focus on returning defense to Montlake with this group.
Myles Jack says fuck you.Meek said:
cool dude brah, but i don't think the 3 plays a year we notice Budda make as a true freshmen warrant blowing his redshirt. i'm just looking for the actual future.RoadDawg55 said:
Not with Budda. He's too good, just like Kasen, ASJ, Shaq, Sankey, Shelton. The best guys have to play, regardless of class. If he's the fourth best safety (not happening) then redshirting him is fine, but if he's in the top 3, he has to be ready to play. I am pissed about wasting guys like Kevin Smith, Ducre, Farria, Mathis, and Darrell Daniels, but if a guy is elite, you have to play them.Meek said:
I don't disagree he'll be better than anyone else we have but i think we need to start the redshirt process right away and let the first year after sark exist with an eye on 2-3 years from now.puppylove_sugarsteel said:The tank is slam empty at safety . If we had 2 RS JUNIORS returning at safety I'd agree with you. Baker is possibly better at safety than anyone we have on the roster so of course he should play, he has to play if we want to win some games.. Sark had problems with preperation at certain positions.
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The pieces are there to have a stifling D. All they need is good player development, position management, and schemes. I think Pete and C. will turn this D into a force in short order.
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Redshirts are no longer popular. They make sense for positions that required a lot of strength and technique like the lines but few teams are going to Redshirt your skill positions if that kid can see the field.Meek said:
I don't disagree he'll be better than anyone else we have but i think we need to start the redshirt process right away and let the first year after sark exist with an eye on 2-3 years from now.puppylove_sugarsteel said:The tank is slam empty at safety . If we had 2 RS JUNIORS returning at safety I'd agree with you. Baker is possibly better at safety than anyone we have on the roster so of course he should play, he has to play if we want to win some games.. Sark had problems with preperation at certain positions.
If you assume your player is going to stay in school 4-5 years you're likely fooling yourself. Kids want to play now and few will stay for that senior season if they find out they are likely to be drafted in the NFL.
Much of this comes from the new NFL rookie contract deal. You're playing for that second contract so why would you come back to be a senior unless you thought you could hop into the 1st round (larger pay)? Many Juniors are electing to leave get and get that 4 year contract started.
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I've never been on board with moving Thompson to safety. He's either going to be an exceptionally large safety with compromised quickness and coverage skills or a smallish linebacker with exceptional quickness and coverage skills. There are tradeoffs either way, but I think his value is better closer to the line. He's pretty fucking good at getting through the mess and making tackles. He's had a down game or two where he missed some big opportunities behind the line, but (hate to play this card) he's only two years out of high school.
I think Shaq will be an early round pick after next season as a 235ish linebacker. My guess is he'll go higher than Butler or Foster did. Nothing to sneeze at.
One thing that made my eyes light up reading this discussion was the talk of the 4-3. I know Wilcox ran it too, but he was trying to pound that 3-4 in most of the time and it was a square peg... There is only one decent nose on this roster and the fucking guy was gassed 3/4 of the time. We didn't have any prototypical 3-4 ends. There is a great mix of bodies for a 4-3 though. Hudson, Qualls, Shelton and Mathis could make a great big package. Kikaha is good enough and big enough to fit in any scheme or personnel group, and Shirley, Farria and Littleton should all be serviceable as pass rush specialists.
Shaq and Feeney had their sophomore slumps but were still pretty damn good. No reason to expect anything but improvement from them this year. Timu doesn't really need to improve on his play other than to hold onto a couple more interceptions. The front seven should be really bad ass. -
Dude, Shaq is 6'2" and 225lbs now, Dana Hall at corner in the NFL during the ground and pound old school was 6'2" 215lbs.... No way Shaq is playing OLB in the show with that speed and great hip swivel
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He's playing in the NFL. He probably won't be a first round pick, but he is as big as Malcolm Smith and Lavonte David, who is one of the best LB's in the league. Alec Ogletree was a first round pick at 230.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Dude, Shaq is 6'2" and 225lbs now, Dana Hall at corner in the NFL during the ground and pound old school was 6'2" 215lbs.... No way Shaq is playing OLB in the show with that speed and great hip swivel
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What part of Budda is going to start do you not understand? I guess there is a chance he doesn't start the first game, but he will start at some point next season. You think King and Beaver are beating him out? I guess ASJ and Shaq should have redshirted too. It would have been great to have ASJ as a redshirt sophomore last year.Meek said:
cool dude brah, but i don't think the 3 plays a year we notice Budda make as a true freshmen warrant blowing his redshirt. i'm just looking for the actual future.RoadDawg55 said:
Not with Budda. He's too good, just like Kasen, ASJ, Shaq, Sankey, Shelton. The best guys have to play, regardless of class. If he's the fourth best safety (not happening) then redshirting him is fine, but if he's in the top 3, he has to be ready to play. I am pissed about wasting guys like Kevin Smith, Ducre, Farria, Mathis, and Darrell Daniels, but if a guy is elite, you have to play them.Meek said:
I don't disagree he'll be better than anyone else we have but i think we need to start the redshirt process right away and let the first year after sark exist with an eye on 2-3 years from now.puppylove_sugarsteel said:The tank is slam empty at safety . If we had 2 RS JUNIORS returning at safety I'd agree with you. Baker is possibly better at safety than anyone we have on the roster so of course he should play, he has to play if we want to win some games.. Sark had problems with preperation at certain positions.
Guys who don't redshirt should start or get solid playing time. Hopefully there will be no more guys like Daniels and Smith who only play on special teams, or Farria and Mathis who play only in blow outs. -
Dana Hall never played corner in the NFL. SF drafted him as a safety. He could have been a good one, but admitted that the transition to a more physically punishing position was tough for him. Basically he didn't like pounding on TEs coming over the middle and heads on tackling NFL backs at full speed.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Dude, Shaq is 6'2" and 225lbs now, Dana Hall at corner in the NFL during the ground and pound old school was 6'2" 215lbs.... No way Shaq is playing OLB in the show with that speed and great hip swivel
Shaq is not a small dude. He can play at 235 easily and there are plenty of LBs in the NFL smaller than that.
Or, maybe an NFL team will fancy him as a run stuffing safety in spite of playing LB or a hybrid role throughout college.
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chuck said:
Dana Hall never played corner in the NFL. SF drafted him as a safety. He could have been a good one, but admitted that the transition to a more physically punishing position was tough for him. Basically he didn't like pounding on TEs coming over the middle and heads on tackling NFL backs at full speed.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Dude, Shaq is 6'2" and 225lbs now, Dana Hall at corner in the NFL during the ground and pound old school was 6'2" 215lbs.... No way Shaq is playing OLB in the show with that speed and great hip swivel
Shaq is not a small dude. He can play at 235 easily and there are plenty of LBs in the NFL smaller than that.
Or, maybe an NFL team will fancy him as a run stuffing safety in spite of playing LB or a hybrid role throughout college.
Mistype... Dana Hall a corner at UW at 6'2 and 215 at the combines played safety in the ground and pound NFL.... Shaq is 225lbs now and more athletic than Dana will ever be. Why do you assume Shaq will gain weight to play in the show? Most likely Shaq will enter the combines between 220 and 225 playing his natural position at safety
Either way, he was the number one ranked safety as a high school PSA, but now he may not even be the best LB on the team as a junior thanks to SarkFS -
Well water is wet Meek. Baker will prolly lead the team in tackles after cleaning up Nez Peace Johnny ' s missed tackles. BB isn't playing for garbage time. He's tiny but he's fast and makes tackles. Fuck it, let's redshirt BB and watch Beaver miss Timu ' s misses and see where that gets us.
No fucking Duuuuuhhhh we need to redshirt, but not at the cost of having a shitty defense, and with our Best chance at a rose bowl in 14 years.
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I don't assume he'll play LB in the NFL. I'm just saying he can. I also think that transitioning from whatever he's playing for his last year at UW, whether it's a traditional LB or some kind of hybrid role, won't hurt him if the NFL sees him as more of a SS.NeGgaPlEaSe said:chuck said:
Dana Hall never played corner in the NFL. SF drafted him as a safety. He could have been a good one, but admitted that the transition to a more physically punishing position was tough for him. Basically he didn't like pounding on TEs coming over the middle and heads on tackling NFL backs at full speed.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Dude, Shaq is 6'2" and 225lbs now, Dana Hall at corner in the NFL during the ground and pound old school was 6'2" 215lbs.... No way Shaq is playing OLB in the show with that speed and great hip swivel
Shaq is not a small dude. He can play at 235 easily and there are plenty of LBs in the NFL smaller than that.
Or, maybe an NFL team will fancy him as a run stuffing safety in spite of playing LB or a hybrid role throughout college.
Mistype... Dana Hall a corner at UW at 6'2 and 215 at the combines played safety in the ground and pound NFL.... Shaq is 225lbs now and more athletic than Dana will ever be. Why do you assume Shaq will gain weight to play in the show? Most likely Shaq will enter the combines between 220 and 225 playing his natural position at safety
Either way, he was the number one ranked safety as a high school PSA, but now he may not even be the best LB on the team as a junior thanks to SarkFS
Bottom line for me is that, while at UW, I like him closer to the line. He's too good at sniffing out plays, getting through or around blocks, and stuffing ball carriers to move back. He also has the quickness and coverage skills to drop off and eliminate a TE or back as a receiving threat. -
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