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  • allpurpleallgoldallpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    I will continue to cite the encyclopedia when discussing historical fact.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,997

    I will continue to cite the encyclopedia when discussing historical factopinion.

    Fixed...
  • oregonblitzkriegoregonblitzkrieg Member Posts: 15,288


    I'll worry about the Squad and "but Nazi!" when they try and seize constitutional power over the three branches. I think we're safe for now.
    Nazis never seized power. They were voted in. The deep state's beer hall putsch was the Russian collusion hoax. The putsch failed, now the deep state, which is using the radical leftists to achieve its goals, are going the voting route. But of course we all know they're tricky scum, the Social Justice Dotardcrats were caught on tape revealing their plan to infiltrate Republican primaries in districts with low voter turnout, run candidates pretending to be conservative, then activate these sleeper cell socialists after they've been voted into office, after its too late. Because too many people will simply look at the R or the D behind a candidates name and check the box without giving it a second thought.
  • jecorneljecornel Member Posts: 9,727
    Fellas, Fellas, Fellas.

    Donald is simply a buffoon. He is wasting a lot of your time and energy.

    AOC, Donald, and the rest of the clowns are simply massive narcissist's. It's a three ring circus. They could care less if the world burned.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    jecornel said:

    Fellas, Fellas, Fellas.

    Donald is simply a buffoon. He is wasting a lot of your time and energy.

    AOC, Donald, and the rest of the clowns are simply massive narcissist's. It's a three ring circus. They could care less if the world burned.

    JLCISRYK
  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 6,584 Standard Supporter

    To be clear, the liberal tripe he’s referring to is the encyclopedia Britannica.
    Please, by all means, post for us the link to the "encyclopedia Britannica" that equates Nazi's to everyone that disagrees with liberals.

    Your post is bullshit. Common tripe that is shit out by TDS liberals in the media 24/7 and regurgitated by goose stepping followers like you.

  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,837

    Please, by all means, post for us the link to the "encyclopedia Britannica" that equates Nazi's to everyone that disagrees with liberals.

    Your post is bullshit. Common tripe that is shit out by TDS liberals in the media 24/7 and regurgitated by goose stepping followers like you.

    I think it's right after the entry that defines Nazi as anyone who wants to incrementally tax the populace for more social programs and push social "diversity" agendas. Two sections before the alternative definition of "anti-Semite" as anyone who's ever disagreed with anything Israel has ever done. See also, "Nazi".

    You're a real independent thinker. Not a goose stepper at all. There's no irony here. There just isn't.

  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181

    I think it's right after the entry that defines Nazi as anyone who wants to incrementally tax the populace for more social programs and push social "diversity" agendas. Two sections before the alternative definition of "anti-Semite" as anyone who's ever disagreed with anything Israel has ever done. See also, "Nazi".

    You're a real independent thinker. Not a goose stepper at all. There's no irony here. There just isn't.

    Do you believe that Omar and Tlaib simply just disagree with Israel's policies?


  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,837
    SFGbob said:

    Do you believe that Omar and Tlaib simply just disagree with Israel's policies?


    No, I do not believe that. In their cases, I would hazard a guess that their issues with Israel are more fundamental and far reaching.
  • SledogSledog Member Posts: 35,789 Standard Supporter

    No, I do not believe that. In their cases, I would hazard a guess that their issues with Israel are more fundamental and far reaching.
    And deadly.
  • SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 33,181

    No, I do not believe that. In their cases, I would hazard a guess that their issues with Israel are more fundamental and far reaching.
    Thanks for the honest response. A rarity around here.
  • BendintheriverBendintheriver Member Posts: 6,584 Standard Supporter

    I think it's right after the entry that defines Nazi as anyone who wants to incrementally tax the populace for more social programs and push social "diversity" agendas. Two sections before the alternative definition of "anti-Semite" as anyone who's ever disagreed with anything Israel has ever done. See also, "Nazi".

    You're a real independent thinker. Not a goose stepper at all. There's no irony here. There just isn't.

    You want to post those accusations of antisemitism I have supposedly thrown around or do you just want me to drop it and let you lie without having to back up your mouth?
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,837

    I think the entire left=Commie/right=Nationalist is a false narrative folks try and use to paint all the bad folks in history as their political enemies. In reality, for economics (and property law/everything else) its a measure of how much power is given to the masses vs how much power is centralized in a govt entity, whether it is the communist party, some nutjob Nationalist who can hate "socialism" all he wants but thinks he knows how best to run/control things, etc. Its just putting a different name on the same behavior.

    You can't have pure democracy on every issue because it would result in complete chaos, but as you centralize more and more of "govt" in whatever form you get more and more corrruption, misallocation of capital, etc...and as is gets to the extreme you see the horrors of history, whether it is the Soviet empire, the Nazis, Chavez/Maduro, etc.

    And I'd disagree as well on the "racist nationalism"...I would argue it is a cultural nationalism. People don't dislike immigrants...they dislike immigration that ignore the rules, don't assimilate into the broader society, and in some aspect work against that broader society (as an example a bunch of legal and illegal immigrants showing up and burning American flags is not a good look...). Its gotten worse recently with the sheer mass immigration, but Texas was a great example of lots of immigration that worked well because the people coming in assimilated to the overall culture.

    And its not unique...US and Canada are the only 1st world countries that have natural birth citizenship. You look at Europe, and they HEAVILY regulate who and how can legally immigrate and actually become a citizen. As an example, in Holland if you can't pass a Dutch language test you can't become a citizen, even if you live there and your spouse is a citizen. Those hurdles are there to force the incoming folks to assimilate to the overall culture of the country. Its fine for immigrants to adopt to and add to a country's culture...I don't think many people like the idea of immigrants coming in and bashing/trying to fundamentally change that culture.


    That's my primary point.

    I also agree with the rest of your post. I would say that the burgeoning nationalism we see today is a based on sincere 'home first' focus on what's best for the country, with a healthy % of cultural xenophobia mixed in, and only on the fringe some race conscious nationalism.

    I would add to your post that the concept of "assimilation" is a tricky one. It gets used disingenuously by the xeno (and obviously the fringe race) crowd. Let's take my own people for example. By any measure, Cuban immigrants have assimilated well to the US. But for the vast majority of my life, the strong influence we? had on South Florida was bothersome to many Americans. Even now, just the other day, some guy in my office, Seattle of all places, mentioned that one of the reasons he doesn't like Miami is all the signs he sees that are in Spanish. I'd say he's in the minority now, in that most people today would say Cuban influence makes Miami interesting. Anybody over the age of 30 knows it was a point of contention with many, many people.
  • creepycougcreepycoug Member Posts: 23,837

    You want to post those accusations of antisemitism I have supposedly thrown around or do you just want me to drop it and let you lie without having to back up your mouth?
    You want to post those accusations of antisemitism I have supposedly thrown around or do you just want me to drop it and let you lie without having to back up your mouth?

    You sound guilty though.
  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 17,184 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited July 2019

    That's my primary point.

    I also agree with the rest of your post. I would say that the burgeoning nationalism we see today is a based on sincere 'home first' focus on what's best for the country, with a healthy % of cultural xenophobia mixed in, and only on the fringe some race conscious nationalism.

    I would add to your post that the concept of "assimilation" is a tricky one. It gets used disingenuously by the xeno (and obviously the fringe race) crowd. Let's take my own people for example. By any measure, Cuban immigrants have assimilated well to the US. But for the vast majority of my life, the strong influence we? had on South Florida was bothersome to many Americans. Even now, just the other day, some guy in my office, Seattle of all places, mentioned that one of the reasons he doesn't like Miami is all the signs he sees that are in Spanish. I'd say he's in the minority now, in that most people today would say Cuban influence makes Miami interesting. Anybody over the age of 30 knows it was a point of contention with many, many people.
    Ftr and imo idgaf what you speak or where you come from so long as you embrace the constitution and the principles upon which it was built(i.e. freedom and inalienable rights). I grew up in an area where the "great american salad bowel" of diversity was a strength and part of being Merican'. This view is now considered out-dated, regressive, and racist by many on the left however.
  • HoustonHuskyHoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,997
    edited July 2019

    That's my primary point.

    I also agree with the rest of your post. I would say that the burgeoning nationalism we see today is a based on sincere 'home first' focus on what's best for the country, with a healthy % of cultural xenophobia mixed in, and only on the fringe some race conscious nationalism.

    I would add to your post that the concept of "assimilation" is a tricky one. It gets used disingenuously by the xeno (and obviously the fringe race) crowd. Let's take my own people for example. By any measure, Cuban immigrants have assimilated well to the US. But for the vast majority of my life, the strong influence we? had on South Florida was bothersome to many Americans. Even now, just the other day, some guy in my office, Seattle of all places, mentioned that one of the reasons he doesn't like Miami is all the signs he sees that are in Spanish. I'd say he's in the minority now, in that most people today would say Cuban influence makes Miami interesting. Anybody over the age of 30 knows it was a point of contention with many, many people.
    Generally agree, but I'm not sure I would say "many". I'm sure folks that lived directly in that area or had strong ties to the area were bothered, and to I certain extent I can understand...if you live in an area and in 10 years it completely changes it bothers folks...its natural. If you live in the sticks and then developers come in and build up massive subdivisions around you it bothers you because your environment changed without your choosing. Its also tough shite...everything changes in life, and it was all done relatively legally and above board. But I doubt many folks outside of that direct area cared much at all.

    I'd add the Cuban influence a good example of what I am talking about. The Cubans that came to the US were, by a large majority, very pro-USA and anti-communist in the height of the Cold War...they didn't want to change the fundamental culture here, only add to it. The weren't calling the US country as a whole racist sexist murderers as we have seen recently with the current nutjobs...
  • HardlyClothedHardlyClothed Member Posts: 937

    Ftr and imo idgaf what you speak or where you come from so long as you embrace the constitution and the principles upon which it was built(i.e. freedom and inalienable rights). I grew up in an area where the "great american salad bowel" of diversity was a strength and part of being Merican'. This view is now considered out-dated, regressive, and racist by many on the left however.
    The problem is there aren’t shared principles on which a critical mass would agree on. So for right-wingers an immigrant can only represent american values by embracing their political project. Omar immigrating here and believing in america enough to become a congresswoman doesn’t satisfy the right because she represents political values that they view as anathema to whatever they believe “america” is.
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