Yeah, Hitler wanted to nationalize all industries including health care and ban guns and fought for the “workers” against the “rich” and banned all political parties except for his National Socialist Party but he’s not a socialist because he was a bad guy and we know socialists are good guys like Maduro. Or something.
Britannica is fake news.
Exactly what did I say was factually incorrect? You can call it whatever you want, but he wanted to have his government run all major industries including health care, he wanted to ban guns, he did ban all political parties but his own and he used class warfare of the working class against the “rich”.
Nazi - National Socialist Workers Party. Nazis were socialists, like you, AOC, Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar. Strike One.
Nazis are defined by their hatred of Jews. All of the fascist clowns you support hate Jews and are allied with terrorists who kill Jews. Strike Two.
Nazis had a group of thugs that went around beating people up who didn't agree with them. They were called brownshirts. You have the anitifa black shirts.
Strike Three, You're Out.
Who's the Nazi?
Not quite. It's fun to play games with these words, but, still, not quite. It was a little more complicated than that, and the reason for that word in the title is a function of historical nuance that is not worth getting into.
Some were committed socialists, like Goebbels; but some were not, in particular, and importantly, Hitler. In fact, Goebbels, who everyone knows wanted to suck Hitler's cock, was disillusioned with the Fuhrer on this very point. They ran a totalitarian regime that existed in periods of recovery from severe economic turmoil and war time, during which government intervention was hardly evidence of socialism or anything. There is a lot of evidence to show that Hitler was, at best, very skeptical of socialism, and he was clearly entirely opposed to communism, which just lives in another part of the same town as socialism.
What we do know about the Nazis is that they were history's all-tim nationalists. What economic platform would have prevailed in a successful post-war German is anybody's guess.
So, the Nazi's belong as much to you and your crowd as they do to the lefty Squad's crowd.
Real Americans, like me, embrace capitalism and needn't worry about these tags. Come on over to my side. You'll feel better about yourself.
I love the ‘so far Left it must be right’ argument.
Call it whatever you want...Socialism/Communism/“Nationalism”...but they all end up with a few in the political class running everything and telling everyone else how to live (until they eventually collapse on themselves). Which is anything but modern Libertarianism and classic “Conservatism”.
Yeah, Hitler wanted to nationalize all industries including health care and ban guns and fought for the “workers” against the “rich” and banned all political parties except for his National Socialist Party but he’s not a socialist because he was a bad guy and we know socialists are good guys like Maduro. Or something.
Britannica is fake news.
Exactly what did I say was factually incorrect? You can call it whatever you want, but he wanted to have his government run all major industries including health care, he wanted to ban guns, he did ban all political parties but his own and he used class warfare of the working class against the “rich”.
Wanting to ban guns is socialism. I think we’ve hit peak fear mongering.
Yeah, Hitler wanted to nationalize all industries including health care and ban guns and fought for the “workers” against the “rich” and banned all political parties except for his National Socialist Party but he’s not a socialist because he was a bad guy and we know socialists are good guys like Maduro. Or something.
Britannica is fake news.
Exactly what did I say was factually incorrect? You can call it whatever you want, but he wanted to have his government run all major industries including health care, he wanted to ban guns, he did ban all political parties but his own and he used class warfare of the working class against the “rich”.
Wanting to ban guns is socialism. I think we’ve hit peak fear mongering.
Socialists don't want to ban guns. They want to consolidate them into the ruling class.
Nazi - National Socialist Workers Party. Nazis were socialists, like you, AOC, Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar. Strike One.
Nazis are defined by their hatred of Jews. All of the fascist clowns you support hate Jews and are allied with terrorists who kill Jews. Strike Two.
Nazis had a group of thugs that went around beating people up who didn't agree with them. They were called brownshirts. You have the anitifa black shirts.
Strike Three, You're Out.
Who's the Nazi?
Not quite. It's fun to play games with these words, but, still, not quite. It was a little more complicated than that, and the reason for that word in the title is a function of historical nuance that is not worth getting into.
Some were committed socialists, like Goebbels; but some were not, in particular, and importantly, Hitler. In fact, Goebbels, who everyone knows wanted to suck Hitler's cock, was disillusioned with the Fuhrer on this very point. They ran a totalitarian regime that existed in periods of recovery from severe economic turmoil and war time, during which government intervention was hardly evidence of socialism or anything. There is a lot of evidence to show that Hitler was, at best, very skeptical of socialism, and he was clearly entirely opposed to communism, which just lives in another part of the same town as socialism.
What we do know about the Nazis is that they were history's all-tim nationalists. What economic platform would have prevailed in a successful post-war German is anybody's guess.
So, the Nazi's belong as much to you and your crowd as they do to the lefty Squad's crowd.
Real Americans, like me, embrace capitalism and needn't worry about these tags. Come on over to my side. You'll feel better about yourself.
I love the ‘so far Left it must be right’ argument.
Call it whatever you want...Socialism/Communism/“Nationalism”...but they all end up with a few in the political class running everything and telling everyone else how to live (until they eventually collapse on themselves). Which is anything but modern Libertarianism and classic “Conservatism”.
Why do you love it? At any rate, I don't think that's at all what's in my post; it neither explicit nor implied.
I'm not saying it's clean, and I'm pretty clear Hitler would trump any individual's rights to anything ... property, liberty, anything ... in the name of nationalism or power. Still, we know Goebbels was a socialist and Hitler was, at best, skeptical of it. We also know he was no Marxist. His debates with Strasser seem relevant.
Hitler: “What you call socialism is a purely Marxist vision. The system that you erect is academic work, it doesn’t correspond to the reality of life. The head of the enterprise is dependent on his workforce, the willingness of his workers to participate in a common effort. If they strike, his property is worthless. On the other hand, by what right could they claim a part of this property, even to participate in decisions? Mister Amann, would you accept it if your stenographers suddenly wanted to take part in your decisions? The employer is responsible for production, and assures the workers their subsistence. Our great heads of industry are not concerned with the accumulation of wealth and the good life, rather they are concerned with responsibility and power. They have acquired this right by natural selection: they are members of the higher race. But you would surround them with a council of incompetents, who have no notion of anything. No economic leader can accept that.”
I think what we call it is somewhat important. It's a little disingenuous to decry that AOC, who's admittedly making a horse's ass out of herself, is a Nazi because "socialism", when it's not clear that the head of the Third Reich believed in it as a viable option.
All the while ignoring or passing on overt nationalist racism that has seen renewed expression in the US. See, e.g., the overtly racist nationalism of OBK, who is on record here in this forum as saying that people 'like me' are welcome here in "reasonable numbers" because this isn't a "Latino country", but just so long as we know our place and watch what we say to real Americans. You can find volumes of his other work in which his dim view of brown people is patently evident. Along with those charming views are several arguments that stack up pretty firmly against capitalism, free markets, and the right of winners to win. If that fucker isn't a modern expression of at least soft Nazi nationalism, then it doesn't exist.
I don't think what Trump said to the squad was rooted in racism, nor do I think it was technically racist. But if you are one of the Tug's Trump goons who don't think there's a healthy amount of racist nationalism behind him when those flames are fanned, then you're not the guy who handed Berkeley Bob his ass on the Reagan discussion a couple years back. You're somebody else with that guy's handle.
Nazi - National Socialist Workers Party. Nazis were socialists, like you, AOC, Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar. Strike One.
Nazis are defined by their hatred of Jews. All of the fascist clowns you support hate Jews and are allied with terrorists who kill Jews. Strike Two.
Nazis had a group of thugs that went around beating people up who didn't agree with them. They were called brownshirts. You have the anitifa black shirts.
Strike Three, You're Out.
Who's the Nazi?
Not quite. It's fun to play games with these words, but, still, not quite. It was a little more complicated than that, and the reason for that word in the title is a function of historical nuance that is not worth getting into.
Some were committed socialists, like Goebbels; but some were not, in particular, and importantly, Hitler. In fact, Goebbels, who everyone knows wanted to suck Hitler's cock, was disillusioned with the Fuhrer on this very point. They ran a totalitarian regime that existed in periods of recovery from severe economic turmoil and war time, during which government intervention was hardly evidence of socialism or anything. There is a lot of evidence to show that Hitler was, at best, very skeptical of socialism, and he was clearly entirely opposed to communism, which just lives in another part of the same town as socialism.
What we do know about the Nazis is that they were history's all-tim nationalists. What economic platform would have prevailed in a successful post-war German is anybody's guess.
So, the Nazi's belong as much to you and your crowd as they do to the lefty Squad's crowd.
Real Americans, like me, embrace capitalism and needn't worry about these tags. Come on over to my side. You'll feel better about yourself.
I love the ‘so far Left it must be right’ argument.
Call it whatever you want...Socialism/Communism/“Nationalism”...but they all end up with a few in the political class running everything and telling everyone else how to live (until they eventually collapse on themselves). Which is anything but modern Libertarianism and classic “Conservatism”.
All the while ignoring or passing on overt nationalist racism that has seen renewed expression in the US. See, e.g., the overtly racist nationalism of OBK, who is on record here in this forum as saying that people 'like me' are welcome here in "reasonable numbers" because this isn't a "Latino country", but just so long as we know our place and watch what we say to real Americans. You can find volumes of his other work in which his dim view of brown people is patently evident. Along with those charming views are several arguments that stack up pretty firmly against capitalism, free markets, and the right of winners to win. If that fucker isn't a modern expression of at least soft Nazi nationalism, then it doesn't exist.
To the open borders crowd, not wanting the US to become majority Mexican is racist against brown people. For the record, and I've stated this many times, I'm against all immigration, except for the best and brightest scientists. They can be little green men from a neighboring galaxy for all I care, as long as they benefit the country and don't take jerbs away from equally qualified Americans. I'm as nationalist as the Mexicans who want the Central American freeloaders to LEAVE and go home.
The twisting and turning democrats go through to change history and distance themselves from ugly associations, behavior and past is fascinating . The fact is, throughout history "socialism" has had many versions attempted. The textbook definition has never existed. Hitler had his own version of "socialism" just like every communist country has had their own version of communism. It is impossible to move from freedom to communism or socialism without an initial totalitarian movement that forces all those that don't want that change to accept it. Hence the 100 million or so that have been starved and slaughtered by communists/socialists.
The twisting and turning democrats go through to change history and distance themselves from ugly associations, behavior and past is fascinating . The fact is, throughout history "socialism" has had many versions attempted. The textbook definition has never existed. Hitler had his own version of "socialism" just like every communist country has had their own version of communism. It is impossible to move from freedom to communism or socialism without an initial totalitarian movement that forces all those that don't want that change to accept it. Hence the 100 million or so that have been starved and slaughtered by communists/socialists.
You are truly scared they pussy liberals are going to kill you. That's awesome man.
The twisting and turning democrats go through to change history and distance themselves from ugly associations, behavior and past is fascinating . The fact is, throughout history "socialism" has had many versions attempted. The textbook definition has never existed. Hitler had his own version of "socialism" just like every communist country has had their own version of communism. It is impossible to move from freedom to communism or socialism without an initial totalitarian movement that forces all those that don't want that change to accept it. Hence the 100 million or so that have been starved and slaughtered by communists/socialists.
You are truly scared they pussy liberals are going to kill you. That's awesome man.
And you have nothing to add here so you resort to 3rd grade name calling. You are the bottom of the liberal barrel. A non-thinking follower.
No one should want socialism. It doesn't work and the violence it takes to enact it is well documented throughout our history. Only idiots want to repeat that history.
The twisting and turning democrats go through to change history and distance themselves from ugly associations, behavior and past is fascinating . The fact is, throughout history "socialism" has had many versions attempted. The textbook definition has never existed. Hitler had his own version of "socialism" just like every communist country has had their own version of communism. It is impossible to move from freedom to communism or socialism without an initial totalitarian movement that forces all those that don't want that change to accept it. Hence the 100 million or so that have been starved and slaughtered by communists/socialists.
You are truly scared they pussy liberals are going to kill you. That's awesome man.
And you have nothing to add here so you resort to 3rd grade name calling. You are the bottom of the liberal barrel. A non-thinking follower.
No one should want socialism. It doesn't work and the violence it takes to enact it is well documented throughout our history. Only idiots want to repeat that history.
Name calling? Oh I called liberals pussies... Lol did you read my post?
Yes thinking that single payer health Care will lead to the government murdering millions of people is definitely the thought process of a deep thinker.
If you don't know what you are talking about why do you participate in the discussion? Seriously. Did you not watch what your leaders promised in the two debates? By some estimates their promises would cost 93 trillion and who would be forced to pay for all their promises? Me and every other hard worker in this country. You sound like a taker, a net negative draw on society so I doubt you would be making any contributions.
Your lack of depth on this topic is astounding. We are way past healthcare here.
Then you get brain dead followers like APAG posting typical liberal tripe about how the Nazi's were anything other than a different brand of socialism when their own leader cited socialism in his critical thinking/conclusions and you can see that you goose stepping followers will swallow the whole load when your leaders tell you to.
Nazi - National Socialist Workers Party. Nazis were socialists, like you, AOC, Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar. Strike One.
Nazis are defined by their hatred of Jews. All of the fascist clowns you support hate Jews and are allied with terrorists who kill Jews. Strike Two.
Nazis had a group of thugs that went around beating people up who didn't agree with them. They were called brownshirts. You have the anitifa black shirts.
Strike Three, You're Out.
Who's the Nazi?
Not quite. It's fun to play games with these words, but, still, not quite. It was a little more complicated than that, and the reason for that word in the title is a function of historical nuance that is not worth getting into.
Some were committed socialists, like Goebbels; but some were not, in particular, and importantly, Hitler. In fact, Goebbels, who everyone knows wanted to suck Hitler's cock, was disillusioned with the Fuhrer on this very point. They ran a totalitarian regime that existed in periods of recovery from severe economic turmoil and war time, during which government intervention was hardly evidence of socialism or anything. There is a lot of evidence to show that Hitler was, at best, very skeptical of socialism, and he was clearly entirely opposed to communism, which just lives in another part of the same town as socialism.
What we do know about the Nazis is that they were history's all-tim nationalists. What economic platform would have prevailed in a successful post-war German is anybody's guess.
So, the Nazi's belong as much to you and your crowd as they do to the lefty Squad's crowd.
Real Americans, like me, embrace capitalism and needn't worry about these tags. Come on over to my side. You'll feel better about yourself.
I love the ‘so far Left it must be right’ argument.
Call it whatever you want...Socialism/Communism/“Nationalism”...but they all end up with a few in the political class running everything and telling everyone else how to live (until they eventually collapse on themselves). Which is anything but modern Libertarianism and classic “Conservatism”.
All the while ignoring or passing on overt nationalist racism that has seen renewed expression in the US. See, e.g., the overtly racist nationalism of OBK, who is on record here in this forum as saying that people 'like me' are welcome here in "reasonable numbers" because this isn't a "Latino country", but just so long as we know our place and watch what we say to real Americans. You can find volumes of his other work in which his dim view of brown people is patently evident. Along with those charming views are several arguments that stack up pretty firmly against capitalism, free markets, and the right of winners to win. If that fucker isn't a modern expression of at least soft Nazi nationalism, then it doesn't exist.
To the open borders crowd, not wanting the US to become majority Mexican is racist against brown people. For the record, and I've stated this many times, I'm against all immigration, except for the best and brightest scientists. They can be little green men from a neighboring galaxy for all I care, as long as they benefit the country and don't take jerbs away from equally qualified Americans. I'm as nationalist as the Mexicans who want the Central American freeloaders to LEAVE and go home.
Truly open border believers are a minority and distinct from legal and regulated immigration, which is in turn distinct from no immigration except for brilliant Indian scientists. I'm in the second camp.
If only you believed in one of the most important factors that made America great: capitalism. Damone is right: no jobs and they won't come. We don't need made-up stories about secret federal agencies giving illegals wads of cash. Pass a rule that says no immigrant will be eligible for government aid of any kind until they've worked for at least 5 years. 10 years, whatever you want. I would totally support it.
But you wouldn't because that's not your primary issue, which you've communicated here clearly. You want to take a snapshot of America now, or more likely 30 years ago, and keep it just like it is.
But all that said, I don't think you're racist because of your stance on immigration.
The twisting and turning democrats go through to change history and distance themselves from ugly associations, behavior and past is fascinating . The fact is, throughout history "socialism" has had many versions attempted. The textbook definition has never existed. Hitler had his own version of "socialism" just like every communist country has had their own version of communism. It is impossible to move from freedom to communism or socialism without an initial totalitarian movement that forces all those that don't want that change to accept it. Hence the 100 million or so that have been starved and slaughtered by communists/socialists.
Funny, I was thinking the very same thing about your hackneyed "scratch a leftist find a fascist" campaign - a feeble attempt to associate the entirety of progressive political philosophy with one of the 20th century's worst fascist regimes on the basis of 'socialism', when in fact economic philosophy was among the least distinguishing features of the Third Reich.
All the while abiding by the current expression of a different ideal much more closely associated with the Nazi movement: nationalism for the sake of nationalism, with familiar echoes to be found in the rhetoric of America's manifest destiny and concerns about the diluting effects of letting 'others' in because they might change it (even though that's been going on from the beginning).
It's not just intellectually dishonest; it's cowardly. I can point to positions I've taken in this den of iniquity that straddle political lines; I can't say the same for you. No brown shirt paper hanger ever had anything on you and your goon buddies.
I'll worry about the Squad and "but Nazi!" when they try and seize constitutional power over the three branches. I think we're safe for now.
If you don't know what you are talking about why do you participate in the discussion? Seriously. Did you not watch what your leaders promised in the two debates? By some estimates their promises would cost 93 trillion and who would be forced to pay for all their promises? Me and every other hard worker in this country. You sound like a taker, a net negative draw on society so I doubt you would be making any contributions.
Your lack of depth on this topic is astounding. We are way past healthcare here.
Then you get brain dead followers like APAG posting typical liberal tripe about how the Nazi's were anything other than a different brand of socialism when their own leader cited socialism in his critical thinking/conclusions and you can see that you goose stepping followers will swallow the whole load when your leaders tell you to.
To be clear, the liberal tripe he’s referring to is the encyclopedia Britannica.
Nazi's used the socialism tag just as it;s being used today. To attract the stupid with free shit. The end game is the same. Complete government control, no means of resistance and massive political and genocidal murder.
Nazi - National Socialist Workers Party. Nazis were socialists, like you, AOC, Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar. Strike One.
Nazis are defined by their hatred of Jews. All of the fascist clowns you support hate Jews and are allied with terrorists who kill Jews. Strike Two.
Nazis had a group of thugs that went around beating people up who didn't agree with them. They were called brownshirts. You have the anitifa black shirts.
Strike Three, You're Out.
Who's the Nazi?
Not quite. It's fun to play games with these words, but, still, not quite. It was a little more complicated than that, and the reason for that word in the title is a function of historical nuance that is not worth getting into.
Some were committed socialists, like Goebbels; but some were not, in particular, and importantly, Hitler. In fact, Goebbels, who everyone knows wanted to suck Hitler's cock, was disillusioned with the Fuhrer on this very point. They ran a totalitarian regime that existed in periods of recovery from severe economic turmoil and war time, during which government intervention was hardly evidence of socialism or anything. There is a lot of evidence to show that Hitler was, at best, very skeptical of socialism, and he was clearly entirely opposed to communism, which just lives in another part of the same town as socialism.
What we do know about the Nazis is that they were history's all-tim nationalists. What economic platform would have prevailed in a successful post-war German is anybody's guess.
So, the Nazi's belong as much to you and your crowd as they do to the lefty Squad's crowd.
Real Americans, like me, embrace capitalism and needn't worry about these tags. Come on over to my side. You'll feel better about yourself.
I love the ‘so far Left it must be right’ argument.
Call it whatever you want...Socialism/Communism/“Nationalism”...but they all end up with a few in the political class running everything and telling everyone else how to live (until they eventually collapse on themselves). Which is anything but modern Libertarianism and classic “Conservatism”.
Why do you love it? At any rate, I don't think that's at all what's in my post; it neither explicit nor implied.
I'm not saying it's clean, and I'm pretty clear Hitler would trump any individual's rights to anything ... property, liberty, anything ... in the name of nationalism or power. Still, we know Goebbels was a socialist and Hitler was, at best, skeptical of it. We also know he was no Marxist. His debates with Strasser seem relevant.
Hitler: “What you call socialism is a purely Marxist vision. The system that you erect is academic work, it doesn’t correspond to the reality of life. The head of the enterprise is dependent on his workforce, the willingness of his workers to participate in a common effort. If they strike, his property is worthless. On the other hand, by what right could they claim a part of this property, even to participate in decisions? Mister Amann, would you accept it if your stenographers suddenly wanted to take part in your decisions? The employer is responsible for production, and assures the workers their subsistence. Our great heads of industry are not concerned with the accumulation of wealth and the good life, rather they are concerned with responsibility and power. They have acquired this right by natural selection: they are members of the higher race. But you would surround them with a council of incompetents, who have no notion of anything. No economic leader can accept that.”
I think what we call it is somewhat important. It's a little disingenuous to decry that AOC, who's admittedly making a horse's ass out of herself, is a Nazi because "socialism", when it's not clear that the head of the Third Reich believed in it as a viable option.
All the while ignoring or passing on overt nationalist racism that has seen renewed expression in the US. See, e.g., the overtly racist nationalism of OBK, who is on record here in this forum as saying that people 'like me' are welcome here in "reasonable numbers" because this isn't a "Latino country", but just so long as we know our place and watch what we say to real Americans. You can find volumes of his other work in which his dim view of brown people is patently evident. Along with those charming views are several arguments that stack up pretty firmly against capitalism, free markets, and the right of winners to win. If that fucker isn't a modern expression of at least soft Nazi nationalism, then it doesn't exist.
I don't think what Trump said to the squad was rooted in racism, nor do I think it was technically racist. But if you are one of the Tug's Trump goons who don't think there's a healthy amount of racist nationalism behind him when those flames are fanned, then you're not the guy who handed Berkeley Bob his ass on the Reagan discussion a couple years back. You're somebody else with that guy's handle.
I think the entire left=Commie/right=Nationalist is a false narrative folks try and use to paint all the bad folks in history as their political enemies. In reality, for economics (and property law/everything else) its a measure of how much power is given to the masses vs how much power is centralized in a govt entity, whether it is the communist party, some nutjob Nationalist who can hate "socialism" all he wants but thinks he knows how best to run/control things, etc. Its just putting a different name on the same behavior.
You can't have pure democracy on every issue because it would result in complete chaos, but as you centralize more and more of "govt" in whatever form you get more and more corrruption, misallocation of capital, etc...and as is gets to the extreme you see the horrors of history, whether it is the Soviet empire, the Nazis, Chavez/Maduro, etc.
And I'd disagree as well on the "racist nationalism"...I would argue it is a cultural nationalism. People don't dislike immigrants...they dislike immigration that ignore the rules, don't assimilate into the broader society, and in some aspect work against that broader society (as an example a bunch of legal and illegal immigrants showing up and burning American flags is not a good look...). Its gotten worse recently with the sheer mass immigration, but Texas was a great example of lots of immigration that worked well because the people coming in assimilated to the overall culture.
And its not unique...US and Canada are the only 1st world countries that have natural birth citizenship. You look at Europe, and they HEAVILY regulate who and how can legally immigrate and actually become a citizen. As an example, in Holland if you can't pass a Dutch language test you can't become a citizen, even if you live there and your spouse is a citizen. Those hurdles are there to force the incoming folks to assimilate to the overall culture of the country. Its fine for immigrants to adopt to and add to a country's culture...I don't think many people like the idea of immigrants coming in and bashing/trying to fundamentally change that culture.
I know Creepycoug. APAG, hondo. The following is inconvenient but it is real and it is a historical fact.
Go ahead and lie and obfuscate. Its what you do but history is history and unfortunately for you three, there was motion pictures and photographic evidence back then.
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Call it whatever you want...Socialism/Communism/“Nationalism”...but they all end up with a few in the political class running everything and telling everyone else how to live (until they eventually collapse on themselves). Which is anything but modern Libertarianism and classic “Conservatism”.
I'm not saying it's clean, and I'm pretty clear Hitler would trump any individual's rights to anything ... property, liberty, anything ... in the name of nationalism or power. Still, we know Goebbels was a socialist and Hitler was, at best, skeptical of it. We also know he was no Marxist. His debates with Strasser seem relevant.
Hitler: “What you call socialism is a purely Marxist vision. The system that you erect is academic work, it doesn’t correspond to the reality of life. The head of the enterprise is dependent on his workforce, the willingness of his workers to participate in a common effort. If they strike, his property is worthless. On the other hand, by what right could they claim a part of this property, even to participate in decisions? Mister Amann, would you accept it if your stenographers suddenly wanted to take part in your decisions? The employer is responsible for production, and assures the workers their subsistence. Our great heads of industry are not concerned with the accumulation of wealth and the good life, rather they are concerned with responsibility and power. They have acquired this right by natural selection: they are members of the higher race. But you would surround them with a council of incompetents, who have no notion of anything. No economic leader can accept that.”
I think what we call it is somewhat important. It's a little disingenuous to decry that AOC, who's admittedly making a horse's ass out of herself, is a Nazi because "socialism", when it's not clear that the head of the Third Reich believed in it as a viable option.
All the while ignoring or passing on overt nationalist racism that has seen renewed expression in the US. See, e.g., the overtly racist nationalism of OBK, who is on record here in this forum as saying that people 'like me' are welcome here in "reasonable numbers" because this isn't a "Latino country", but just so long as we know our place and watch what we say to real Americans. You can find volumes of his other work in which his dim view of brown people is patently evident. Along with those charming views are several arguments that stack up pretty firmly against capitalism, free markets, and the right of winners to win. If that fucker isn't a modern expression of at least soft Nazi nationalism, then it doesn't exist.
I don't think what Trump said to the squad was rooted in racism, nor do I think it was technically racist. But if you are one of the Tug's Trump goons who don't think there's a healthy amount of racist nationalism behind him when those flames are fanned, then you're not the guy who handed Berkeley Bob his ass on the Reagan discussion a couple years back. You're somebody else with that guy's handle.
No one should want socialism. It doesn't work and the violence it takes to enact it is well documented throughout our history. Only idiots want to repeat that history.
Yes thinking that single payer health Care will lead to the government murdering millions of people is definitely the thought process of a deep thinker.
Your lack of depth on this topic is astounding. We are way past healthcare here.
Then you get brain dead followers like APAG posting typical liberal tripe about how the Nazi's were anything other than a different brand of socialism when their own leader cited socialism in his critical thinking/conclusions and you can see that you goose stepping followers will swallow the whole load when your leaders tell you to.
If only you believed in one of the most important factors that made America great: capitalism. Damone is right: no jobs and they won't come. We don't need made-up stories about secret federal agencies giving illegals wads of cash. Pass a rule that says no immigrant will be eligible for government aid of any kind until they've worked for at least 5 years. 10 years, whatever you want. I would totally support it.
But you wouldn't because that's not your primary issue, which you've communicated here clearly. You want to take a snapshot of America now, or more likely 30 years ago, and keep it just like it is.
But all that said, I don't think you're racist because of your stance on immigration.
All the while abiding by the current expression of a different ideal much more closely associated with the Nazi movement: nationalism for the sake of nationalism, with familiar echoes to be found in the rhetoric of America's manifest destiny and concerns about the diluting effects of letting 'others' in because they might change it (even though that's been going on from the beginning).
It's not just intellectually dishonest; it's cowardly. I can point to positions I've taken in this den of iniquity that straddle political lines; I can't say the same for you. No brown shirt paper hanger ever had anything on you and your goon buddies.
I'll worry about the Squad and "but Nazi!" when they try and seize constitutional power over the three branches. I think we're safe for now.
Nazi's used the socialism tag just as it;s being used today. To attract the stupid with free shit. The end game is the same. Complete government control, no means of resistance and massive political and genocidal murder.
You can't have pure democracy on every issue because it would result in complete chaos, but as you centralize more and more of "govt" in whatever form you get more and more corrruption, misallocation of capital, etc...and as is gets to the extreme you see the horrors of history, whether it is the Soviet empire, the Nazis, Chavez/Maduro, etc.
And I'd disagree as well on the "racist nationalism"...I would argue it is a cultural nationalism. People don't dislike immigrants...they dislike immigration that ignore the rules, don't assimilate into the broader society, and in some aspect work against that broader society (as an example a bunch of legal and illegal immigrants showing up and burning American flags is not a good look...). Its gotten worse recently with the sheer mass immigration, but Texas was a great example of lots of immigration that worked well because the people coming in assimilated to the overall culture.
And its not unique...US and Canada are the only 1st world countries that have natural birth citizenship. You look at Europe, and they HEAVILY regulate who and how can legally immigrate and actually become a citizen. As an example, in Holland if you can't pass a Dutch language test you can't become a citizen, even if you live there and your spouse is a citizen. Those hurdles are there to force the incoming folks to assimilate to the overall culture of the country. Its fine for immigrants to adopt to and add to a country's culture...I don't think many people like the idea of immigrants coming in and bashing/trying to fundamentally change that culture.
Go ahead and lie and obfuscate. Its what you do but history is history and unfortunately for you three, there was motion pictures and photographic evidence back then.