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Chris Steele grilled by DOJ IG investigators in June for 16 hrs.
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That's a good Kunt fuck that strawman ass. What's dumb is your inability to argue against anything I've actually said while you continue to fuck strawman ass Hondo.2001400ex said:
Do you realize how stupid you even are? By trying to say that since 77% of teachers are white women, of course the vast majority of teacher are liberal. That's the dumbest argument I've ever heard.SFGbob said:
Which is the kind of response you get when a pathological liar can't back up his mouth and can't admit they were wrong. What happen to your claim that you were taken "out of context" Hondo you lying worthless piece of shit?2001400ex said:
You are fucking stupid. And racist and sexist.SFGbob said:
The majority of all public school teachers are Rat party supporters. You being the pathological liar you are claim otherwise while you also lie about the demographics of teachers being "pretty close" to the general population. Here's the demographic that Hondo the lying dipshit claims is "pretty close" to the general population.2001400ex said:
And you can see that I was responding to shitdicks like you who think almost all teachers are liberal. Which is bullshit.SFGbob said:Full context of what Hondo said can be found here.
https://hardcorehusky.com/discussion/58986/what-got-you-into-talking-interested-in-politics/p4
Shocking, Hondo the pathological liar lies.
About 77 percent of public school teachers today are female.
Despite the attention given to the need to recruit more teachers of color, little progress has been made in diversifying the profession. Overall, the percentage of White teachers has declined slightly from 84 percent in 1999-2000. In 2015–16, about 80 percent of public school teachers were White, 9 percent were Hispanic (an increase of 3 percent since 2000), 7 percent were Black, 2 percent were Asian, and 1 percent were of two or more races.
This is why you're a pathological liar Hondo and not just a guy who gets things wrong. Even now after all these months you're still lying your ass off about this.
You realize the majority of school districts are in conservative areas right? You've seen the red/blue map of the country.... Yes teachers are a little more liberal than the general population. But it's not the vast majority shitdick like you think it is.
Your claim that teachers as a demographic are "pretty close" to the general public is a fucking head up the ass lie that you now won't even touch. So you come up with this crap about how I said 77% are white women therefore they are mostly liberal, a claim I've never made.
You fucking cry like a little bitch about how you were "taken out of context" when I quote you word for fucking word. Meanwhile you continue to make up pure bullshit about things I've never said and try and attributing them to me.
Try quoting and reading what I have actually said Hondo, and stop fucking strawman ass and you won't come off as such a lying dipshit. -
But we both know you're nothing more than a lying dipshit and a Kunt and you'll just run and hide like a bitch while tossing spit balls because you're to stupid to even try and refute a word I said.2001400ex said:
If I were a shitbird like you. I'd spam the board with this quote every fucking post you have for the next couple years. Lil lyin Bob.SFGbob said:
And yet Page, the target of the wiretap and spying was never charged with anything. Mueller was charged with looking into Russian interference with our election, not just a pre-agreed conspiracy between Trump and the Russian. You pulled that claim squarely out of your ass.GDS said:
We've been through this countless times but we can always revisit. No doubt many were disappointed that Mueller felt his scope was so limited he investigated a pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU, something no one alleged happened. The fact he investigated something no one alleged happened and found enough evidence that he couldn't exonerate members of the campaign is very concerning for the country. That he found countless examples of collusion and documents multiple instances of obstruction of justice are extremely concerning. Shocking that not a single word in the report was redacted for counter-intel purposes so the ongoing counter-intel investigation as well as the multiple other investigations spawned from the SC investigation will hopefully lead us closer to the truth this president and his team continue to try and conceal.RaceBannon said:
How did the Muellertards like theirs?GDS said:The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016.
Sounds like Trumptards won’t like the results of this investigation...
Found this part of the article particularly compelling. Bertrand is a good journalist and has written many good pieces on the ongoing investigation.
But the extensive interview with Steele, and the investigators’ sense that he offered new and important information, may dampen expectations among the president’s allies who’ve claimed that Steele’s sensational dossier was used improperly by the bureau to “spy” on the campaign.
Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013, when he interacted with undercover Russian intelligence agents in New York City. A trip to Moscow in the summer of 2016 further aroused the bureau’s suspicions, according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant the FBI got approved in October 2016, allowing the bureau to intercept his electronic communications.
Steele’s defenders have noted that the information he provided which made it into the FISA warrant application to monitor Page was not far off. According to Steele’s sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia’s state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting “senior members of the presidential administration” during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School.
What we do know for certain is that Hillary paid a foreign national, who received what we're now told was most likely Russian disinformation, from Russians who were connected to the Kremlin in order to impact the campaign and Mueller never looked into any of that.
We already know that the FBI acted inappropriately in their investigation of Trump. There have been people fired and demoted on account of their inappropriate actions. What we still don't know is how big a role the Russian disinformation, paid for by Hillary and the DNC, played in the investigation of Trump's campaign. -
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.SFGbob said:
And yet Page, the target of the wiretap and spying was never charged with anything. Mueller was charged with looking into Russian interference with our election, not just a pre-agreed conspiracy between Trump and the Russian. You pulled that claim squarely out of your ass.GDS said:
We've been through this countless times but we can always revisit. No doubt many were disappointed that Mueller felt his scope was so limited he investigated a pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU, something no one alleged happened. The fact he investigated something no one alleged happened and found enough evidence that he couldn't exonerate members of the campaign is very concerning for the country. That he found countless examples of collusion and documents multiple instances of obstruction of justice are extremely concerning. Shocking that not a single word in the report was redacted for counter-intel purposes so the ongoing counter-intel investigation as well as the multiple other investigations spawned from the SC investigation will hopefully lead us closer to the truth this president and his team continue to try and conceal.RaceBannon said:
How did the Muellertards like theirs?GDS said:The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016.
Sounds like Trumptards won’t like the results of this investigation...
Found this part of the article particularly compelling. Bertrand is a good journalist and has written many good pieces on the ongoing investigation.
But the extensive interview with Steele, and the investigators’ sense that he offered new and important information, may dampen expectations among the president’s allies who’ve claimed that Steele’s sensational dossier was used improperly by the bureau to “spy” on the campaign.
Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013, when he interacted with undercover Russian intelligence agents in New York City. A trip to Moscow in the summer of 2016 further aroused the bureau’s suspicions, according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant the FBI got approved in October 2016, allowing the bureau to intercept his electronic communications.
Steele’s defenders have noted that the information he provided which made it into the FISA warrant application to monitor Page was not far off. According to Steele’s sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia’s state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting “senior members of the presidential administration” during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School.
What we do know for certain is that Hillary paid a foreign national, who received what we're now told was most likely Russian disinformation, from Russians who were connected to the Kremlin in order to impact the campaign and Mueller never looked into any of that.
We already know that the FBI acted inappropriately in their investigation of Trump. There have been people fired and demoted on account of their inappropriate actions. What we still don't know is how big a role the Russian disinformation, paid for by Hillary and the DNC, played in the investigation of Trump's campaign.
The claim is actually not pulled from my ass but from the report itself. Try reading it instead of relying on your partisan right wing sources to tell you what to think.
Your Russian disinformation bullshit is just that. A fair amount of the raw intel in the Steele dossier which was never used during the campaign (including the Page info noted in the article) has later been corroborated. Again - a lot of that is in the report which you would know if you bothered to read it.
It certainly sounds like Trumptards who were banking on the IG report to validate what they have been told by partisan right wing media sources are going to be very disappointed... -
The best part is. No matter the result. They will still bring it up as fact like they do uranium one and shit.GDS said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.SFGbob said:
And yet Page, the target of the wiretap and spying was never charged with anything. Mueller was charged with looking into Russian interference with our election, not just a pre-agreed conspiracy between Trump and the Russian. You pulled that claim squarely out of your ass.GDS said:
We've been through this countless times but we can always revisit. No doubt many were disappointed that Mueller felt his scope was so limited he investigated a pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU, something no one alleged happened. The fact he investigated something no one alleged happened and found enough evidence that he couldn't exonerate members of the campaign is very concerning for the country. That he found countless examples of collusion and documents multiple instances of obstruction of justice are extremely concerning. Shocking that not a single word in the report was redacted for counter-intel purposes so the ongoing counter-intel investigation as well as the multiple other investigations spawned from the SC investigation will hopefully lead us closer to the truth this president and his team continue to try and conceal.RaceBannon said:
How did the Muellertards like theirs?GDS said:The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016.
Sounds like Trumptards won’t like the results of this investigation...
Found this part of the article particularly compelling. Bertrand is a good journalist and has written many good pieces on the ongoing investigation.
But the extensive interview with Steele, and the investigators’ sense that he offered new and important information, may dampen expectations among the president’s allies who’ve claimed that Steele’s sensational dossier was used improperly by the bureau to “spy” on the campaign.
Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013, when he interacted with undercover Russian intelligence agents in New York City. A trip to Moscow in the summer of 2016 further aroused the bureau’s suspicions, according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant the FBI got approved in October 2016, allowing the bureau to intercept his electronic communications.
Steele’s defenders have noted that the information he provided which made it into the FISA warrant application to monitor Page was not far off. According to Steele’s sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia’s state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting “senior members of the presidential administration” during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School.
What we do know for certain is that Hillary paid a foreign national, who received what we're now told was most likely Russian disinformation, from Russians who were connected to the Kremlin in order to impact the campaign and Mueller never looked into any of that.
We already know that the FBI acted inappropriately in their investigation of Trump. There have been people fired and demoted on account of their inappropriate actions. What we still don't know is how big a role the Russian disinformation, paid for by Hillary and the DNC, played in the investigation of Trump's campaign.
The claim is actually not pulled from my ass but from the report itself. Try reading it instead of relying on your partisan right wing sources to tell you what to think.
Your Russian disinformation bullshit is just that. A fair amount of the raw intel in the Steele dossier which was never used during the campaign (including the Page info noted in the article) has later been corroborated. Again - a lot of that is in the report which you would know if you bothered to read it.
It certainly sounds like Trumptards who were banking on the IG report to validate what they have been told by partisan right wing media sources are going to be very disappointed... -
The article in this thread is an opinion piece that disputes none of the facts of the witch hunt
Muellertards will be disappointed
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Do you mean like you still maintain that this lie is the truth?2001400ex said:
The best part is. No matter the result. They will still bring it up as fact like they do uranium one and shit.GDS said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.SFGbob said:
And yet Page, the target of the wiretap and spying was never charged with anything. Mueller was charged with looking into Russian interference with our election, not just a pre-agreed conspiracy between Trump and the Russian. You pulled that claim squarely out of your ass.GDS said:
We've been through this countless times but we can always revisit. No doubt many were disappointed that Mueller felt his scope was so limited he investigated a pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU, something no one alleged happened. The fact he investigated something no one alleged happened and found enough evidence that he couldn't exonerate members of the campaign is very concerning for the country. That he found countless examples of collusion and documents multiple instances of obstruction of justice are extremely concerning. Shocking that not a single word in the report was redacted for counter-intel purposes so the ongoing counter-intel investigation as well as the multiple other investigations spawned from the SC investigation will hopefully lead us closer to the truth this president and his team continue to try and conceal.RaceBannon said:
How did the Muellertards like theirs?GDS said:The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016.
Sounds like Trumptards won’t like the results of this investigation...
Found this part of the article particularly compelling. Bertrand is a good journalist and has written many good pieces on the ongoing investigation.
But the extensive interview with Steele, and the investigators’ sense that he offered new and important information, may dampen expectations among the president’s allies who’ve claimed that Steele’s sensational dossier was used improperly by the bureau to “spy” on the campaign.
Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013, when he interacted with undercover Russian intelligence agents in New York City. A trip to Moscow in the summer of 2016 further aroused the bureau’s suspicions, according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant the FBI got approved in October 2016, allowing the bureau to intercept his electronic communications.
Steele’s defenders have noted that the information he provided which made it into the FISA warrant application to monitor Page was not far off. According to Steele’s sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia’s state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting “senior members of the presidential administration” during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School.
What we do know for certain is that Hillary paid a foreign national, who received what we're now told was most likely Russian disinformation, from Russians who were connected to the Kremlin in order to impact the campaign and Mueller never looked into any of that.
We already know that the FBI acted inappropriately in their investigation of Trump. There have been people fired and demoted on account of their inappropriate actions. What we still don't know is how big a role the Russian disinformation, paid for by Hillary and the DNC, played in the investigation of Trump's campaign.
The claim is actually not pulled from my ass but from the report itself. Try reading it instead of relying on your partisan right wing sources to tell you what to think.
Your Russian disinformation bullshit is just that. A fair amount of the raw intel in the Steele dossier which was never used during the campaign (including the Page info noted in the article) has later been corroborated. Again - a lot of that is in the report which you would know if you bothered to read it.
It certainly sounds like Trumptards who were banking on the IG report to validate what they have been told by partisan right wing media sources are going to be very disappointed...
And it's a documented fact that Trump's team met with a Russian team to discuss giving DNC emails and Hillary emails to Trump. -
Gowdy also now says that after reading the still classified FBI transcript of the interview they did with Papadopoulos it changed his opinion on Mueller's investigation.
I'm counting on the facts, while leftists like yourself appear to be counting on half-truths and outright bullshit about what Mueller was actually tasked to investigate. -
So your position is that they nailed Page, and the Trump campaign and even Trump but they can't prove any of it. Got it.GDS said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.SFGbob said:
And yet Page, the target of the wiretap and spying was never charged with anything. Mueller was charged with looking into Russian interference with our election, not just a pre-agreed conspiracy between Trump and the Russian. You pulled that claim squarely out of your ass.GDS said:
We've been through this countless times but we can always revisit. No doubt many were disappointed that Mueller felt his scope was so limited he investigated a pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU, something no one alleged happened. The fact he investigated something no one alleged happened and found enough evidence that he couldn't exonerate members of the campaign is very concerning for the country. That he found countless examples of collusion and documents multiple instances of obstruction of justice are extremely concerning. Shocking that not a single word in the report was redacted for counter-intel purposes so the ongoing counter-intel investigation as well as the multiple other investigations spawned from the SC investigation will hopefully lead us closer to the truth this president and his team continue to try and conceal.RaceBannon said:
How did the Muellertards like theirs?GDS said:The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016.
Sounds like Trumptards won’t like the results of this investigation...
Found this part of the article particularly compelling. Bertrand is a good journalist and has written many good pieces on the ongoing investigation.
But the extensive interview with Steele, and the investigators’ sense that he offered new and important information, may dampen expectations among the president’s allies who’ve claimed that Steele’s sensational dossier was used improperly by the bureau to “spy” on the campaign.
Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013, when he interacted with undercover Russian intelligence agents in New York City. A trip to Moscow in the summer of 2016 further aroused the bureau’s suspicions, according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant the FBI got approved in October 2016, allowing the bureau to intercept his electronic communications.
Steele’s defenders have noted that the information he provided which made it into the FISA warrant application to monitor Page was not far off. According to Steele’s sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia’s state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting “senior members of the presidential administration” during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School.
What we do know for certain is that Hillary paid a foreign national, who received what we're now told was most likely Russian disinformation, from Russians who were connected to the Kremlin in order to impact the campaign and Mueller never looked into any of that.
We already know that the FBI acted inappropriately in their investigation of Trump. There have been people fired and demoted on account of their inappropriate actions. What we still don't know is how big a role the Russian disinformation, paid for by Hillary and the DNC, played in the investigation of Trump's campaign.
The claim is actually not pulled from my ass but from the report itself. Try reading it instead of relying on your partisan right wing sources to tell you what to think.
Your Russian disinformation bullshit is just that. A fair amount of the raw intel in the Steele dossier which was never used during the campaign (including the Page info noted in the article) has later been corroborated. Again - a lot of that is in the report which you would know if you bothered to read it.
It certainly sounds like Trumptards who were banking on the IG report to validate what they have been told by partisan right wing media sources are going to be very disappointed... -
Not even close to my position. Aren’t you the one always harping on people to stick to what you post? JFCSFGbob said:
So your position is that they nailed Page, and the Trump campaign and even Trump but they can't prove any of it. Got it.GDS said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.SFGbob said:
And yet Page, the target of the wiretap and spying was never charged with anything. Mueller was charged with looking into Russian interference with our election, not just a pre-agreed conspiracy between Trump and the Russian. You pulled that claim squarely out of your ass.GDS said:
We've been through this countless times but we can always revisit. No doubt many were disappointed that Mueller felt his scope was so limited he investigated a pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU, something no one alleged happened. The fact he investigated something no one alleged happened and found enough evidence that he couldn't exonerate members of the campaign is very concerning for the country. That he found countless examples of collusion and documents multiple instances of obstruction of justice are extremely concerning. Shocking that not a single word in the report was redacted for counter-intel purposes so the ongoing counter-intel investigation as well as the multiple other investigations spawned from the SC investigation will hopefully lead us closer to the truth this president and his team continue to try and conceal.RaceBannon said:
How did the Muellertards like theirs?GDS said:The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016.
Sounds like Trumptards won’t like the results of this investigation...
Found this part of the article particularly compelling. Bertrand is a good journalist and has written many good pieces on the ongoing investigation.
But the extensive interview with Steele, and the investigators’ sense that he offered new and important information, may dampen expectations among the president’s allies who’ve claimed that Steele’s sensational dossier was used improperly by the bureau to “spy” on the campaign.
Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013, when he interacted with undercover Russian intelligence agents in New York City. A trip to Moscow in the summer of 2016 further aroused the bureau’s suspicions, according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant the FBI got approved in October 2016, allowing the bureau to intercept his electronic communications.
Steele’s defenders have noted that the information he provided which made it into the FISA warrant application to monitor Page was not far off. According to Steele’s sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia’s state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting “senior members of the presidential administration” during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School.
What we do know for certain is that Hillary paid a foreign national, who received what we're now told was most likely Russian disinformation, from Russians who were connected to the Kremlin in order to impact the campaign and Mueller never looked into any of that.
We already know that the FBI acted inappropriately in their investigation of Trump. There have been people fired and demoted on account of their inappropriate actions. What we still don't know is how big a role the Russian disinformation, paid for by Hillary and the DNC, played in the investigation of Trump's campaign.
The claim is actually not pulled from my ass but from the report itself. Try reading it instead of relying on your partisan right wing sources to tell you what to think.
Your Russian disinformation bullshit is just that. A fair amount of the raw intel in the Steele dossier which was never used during the campaign (including the Page info noted in the article) has later been corroborated. Again - a lot of that is in the report which you would know if you bothered to read it.
It certainly sounds like Trumptards who were banking on the IG report to validate what they have been told by partisan right wing media sources are going to be very disappointed... -
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.GDS said:
Not even close to my position. Aren’t you the one always harping on people to stick to what you post? JFCSFGbob said:
So your position is that they nailed Page, and the Trump campaign and even Trump but they can't prove any of it. Got it.GDS said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.SFGbob said:
And yet Page, the target of the wiretap and spying was never charged with anything. Mueller was charged with looking into Russian interference with our election, not just a pre-agreed conspiracy between Trump and the Russian. You pulled that claim squarely out of your ass.GDS said:
We've been through this countless times but we can always revisit. No doubt many were disappointed that Mueller felt his scope was so limited he investigated a pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU, something no one alleged happened. The fact he investigated something no one alleged happened and found enough evidence that he couldn't exonerate members of the campaign is very concerning for the country. That he found countless examples of collusion and documents multiple instances of obstruction of justice are extremely concerning. Shocking that not a single word in the report was redacted for counter-intel purposes so the ongoing counter-intel investigation as well as the multiple other investigations spawned from the SC investigation will hopefully lead us closer to the truth this president and his team continue to try and conceal.RaceBannon said:
How did the Muellertards like theirs?GDS said:The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016.
Sounds like Trumptards won’t like the results of this investigation...
Found this part of the article particularly compelling. Bertrand is a good journalist and has written many good pieces on the ongoing investigation.
But the extensive interview with Steele, and the investigators’ sense that he offered new and important information, may dampen expectations among the president’s allies who’ve claimed that Steele’s sensational dossier was used improperly by the bureau to “spy” on the campaign.
Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013, when he interacted with undercover Russian intelligence agents in New York City. A trip to Moscow in the summer of 2016 further aroused the bureau’s suspicions, according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant the FBI got approved in October 2016, allowing the bureau to intercept his electronic communications.
Steele’s defenders have noted that the information he provided which made it into the FISA warrant application to monitor Page was not far off. According to Steele’s sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia’s state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting “senior members of the presidential administration” during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School.
What we do know for certain is that Hillary paid a foreign national, who received what we're now told was most likely Russian disinformation, from Russians who were connected to the Kremlin in order to impact the campaign and Mueller never looked into any of that.
We already know that the FBI acted inappropriately in their investigation of Trump. There have been people fired and demoted on account of their inappropriate actions. What we still don't know is how big a role the Russian disinformation, paid for by Hillary and the DNC, played in the investigation of Trump's campaign.
The claim is actually not pulled from my ass but from the report itself. Try reading it instead of relying on your partisan right wing sources to tell you what to think.
Your Russian disinformation bullshit is just that. A fair amount of the raw intel in the Steele dossier which was never used during the campaign (including the Page info noted in the article) has later been corroborated. Again - a lot of that is in the report which you would know if you bothered to read it.
It certainly sounds like Trumptards who were banking on the IG report to validate what they have been told by partisan right wing media sources are going to be very disappointed...
Sure seems to me that you're saying wire tap was reasonable and that they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a criminal conspiracy but there was a conspiracy. Btw, Gowdy's opinion on the appropriateness of the FBI's and Mueller's investigation has changed.
Why was no one ever charged with conspiring with the Russians? And I'd love to see that link to where you claim Mueller was hamstrung by only being able to investigate a "pre-agreed conspiracy" between Trump and the Russians. Since you claim to have read that in the report it should be easy for you to find it and quote it here.
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And you've still not answered the question. Why was it okay for Hillary to pay for dirt obtained from the Russians in order to impact the election but it was somehow bad for Trump to listen to Russians who claimed they had dirt on Hillary?
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Look at GayBob demand ANSWERS to his questions. 😂SFGbob said:And you've still not answered the question. Why was it okay for Hillary to pay for dirt obtained from the Russians in order to impact the election but it was somehow bad for Trump to listen to Russians who claimed they had dirt on Hillary?
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Au contraire, I don't know whether the wire tap was reasonable or unreasonable because I've yet to see the FISA warrant, but I do know that Page not yet bring charged with conspiracy doesn't by rule mean it was unreasonable. Interesting that Trump has teased declassifying the FISA warrant for years now but has yet to do so...bit of a tell dontcha think?SFGbob said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.GDS said:
Not even close to my position. Aren’t you the one always harping on people to stick to what you post? JFCSFGbob said:
So your position is that they nailed Page, and the Trump campaign and even Trump but they can't prove any of it. Got it.GDS said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.SFGbob said:
And yet Page, the target of the wiretap and spying was never charged with anything. Mueller was charged with looking into Russian interference with our election, not just a pre-agreed conspiracy between Trump and the Russian. You pulled that claim squarely out of your ass.GDS said:
We've been through this countless times but we can always revisit. No doubt many were disappointed that Mueller felt his scope was so limited he investigated a pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU, something no one alleged happened. The fact he investigated something no one alleged happened and found enough evidence that he couldn't exonerate members of the campaign is very concerning for the country. That he found countless examples of collusion and documents multiple instances of obstruction of justice are extremely concerning. Shocking that not a single word in the report was redacted for counter-intel purposes so the ongoing counter-intel investigation as well as the multiple other investigations spawned from the SC investigation will hopefully lead us closer to the truth this president and his team continue to try and conceal.RaceBannon said:
How did the Muellertards like theirs?GDS said:The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016.
Sounds like Trumptards won’t like the results of this investigation...
Found this part of the article particularly compelling. Bertrand is a good journalist and has written many good pieces on the ongoing investigation.
But the extensive interview with Steele, and the investigators’ sense that he offered new and important information, may dampen expectations among the president’s allies who’ve claimed that Steele’s sensational dossier was used improperly by the bureau to “spy” on the campaign.
Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013, when he interacted with undercover Russian intelligence agents in New York City. A trip to Moscow in the summer of 2016 further aroused the bureau’s suspicions, according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant the FBI got approved in October 2016, allowing the bureau to intercept his electronic communications.
Steele’s defenders have noted that the information he provided which made it into the FISA warrant application to monitor Page was not far off. According to Steele’s sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia’s state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting “senior members of the presidential administration” during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School.
What we do know for certain is that Hillary paid a foreign national, who received what we're now told was most likely Russian disinformation, from Russians who were connected to the Kremlin in order to impact the campaign and Mueller never looked into any of that.
We already know that the FBI acted inappropriately in their investigation of Trump. There have been people fired and demoted on account of their inappropriate actions. What we still don't know is how big a role the Russian disinformation, paid for by Hillary and the DNC, played in the investigation of Trump's campaign.
The claim is actually not pulled from my ass but from the report itself. Try reading it instead of relying on your partisan right wing sources to tell you what to think.
Your Russian disinformation bullshit is just that. A fair amount of the raw intel in the Steele dossier which was never used during the campaign (including the Page info noted in the article) has later been corroborated. Again - a lot of that is in the report which you would know if you bothered to read it.
It certainly sounds like Trumptards who were banking on the IG report to validate what they have been told by partisan right wing media sources are going to be very disappointed...
Sure seems to me that you're saying wire tap was reasonable and that they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a criminal conspiracy but there was a conspiracy. Btw, Gowdy's opinion on the appropriateness of the FBI's and Mueller's investigation has changed.
Why was no one ever charged with conspiring with the Russians? And I'd love to see that link to where you claim Mueller was hamstrung by only being able to investigate a "pre-agreed conspiracy" between Trump and the Russians. Since you claim to have read that in the report it should be easy for you to find it and quote it here.
Mueller notes in this report the multiple difficulties he had in proving that a criminal conspiracy existed including the fact some of these players reside on foreign soil thus out of his jurisdiction to question, people lying to him and people (including the president) not being very forthcoming with information.
Read the report - it's within the first part of volume 1. -
How does his ass taste El Monte?CirrhosisDawg said:
Look at GayBob demand ANSWERS to his questions. 😂SFGbob said:And you've still not answered the question. Why was it okay for Hillary to pay for dirt obtained from the Russians in order to impact the election but it was somehow bad for Trump to listen to Russians who claimed they had dirt on Hillary?
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You never asked that question previous to now in this thread so how I could I have previously answered a question you never asked? Surely you can see the difference between a research firm hiring a foreign national to gather information versus a campaign conspiring with a foreign agent.SFGbob said:And you've still not answered the question. Why was it okay for Hillary to pay for dirt obtained from the Russians in order to impact the election but it was somehow bad for Trump to listen to Russians who claimed they had dirt on Hillary?
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And GDS avoids the question again. Hiring anyone to collude with the Russians on your behalf is collusion with the Russians.
Why don't you want to be honest in this discussion? You have avoided the truth and made excuses for two years when this obvious collusion by Hillary took place.
I can't wait for Republicans to demand answers on why Mueller did no research into the Hillary campaigns collusion with Russia. -
Muellertards meltdown
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Lot of words just to say you pulled that claim about Mueller limited to only being able to investigate a "pre-agreed conspiracy" between Trump and Russia squarely out of your ass. The real "tell" is your overly wordy response to everything but the request your were asked for.GDS said:
Au contraire, I don't know whether the wire tap was reasonable or unreasonable because I've yet to see the FISA warrant, but I do know that Page not yet bring charged with conspiracy doesn't by rule mean it was unreasonable. Interesting that Trump has teased declassifying the FISA warrant for years now but has yet to do so...bit of a tell dontcha think?SFGbob said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.GDS said:
Not even close to my position. Aren’t you the one always harping on people to stick to what you post? JFCSFGbob said:
So your position is that they nailed Page, and the Trump campaign and even Trump but they can't prove any of it. Got it.GDS said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.SFGbob said:
And yet Page, the target of the wiretap and spying was never charged with anything. Mueller was charged with looking into Russian interference with our election, not just a pre-agreed conspiracy between Trump and the Russian. You pulled that claim squarely out of your ass.GDS said:
We've been through this countless times but we can always revisit. No doubt many were disappointed that Mueller felt his scope was so limited he investigated a pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU, something no one alleged happened. The fact he investigated something no one alleged happened and found enough evidence that he couldn't exonerate members of the campaign is very concerning for the country. That he found countless examples of collusion and documents multiple instances of obstruction of justice are extremely concerning. Shocking that not a single word in the report was redacted for counter-intel purposes so the ongoing counter-intel investigation as well as the multiple other investigations spawned from the SC investigation will hopefully lead us closer to the truth this president and his team continue to try and conceal.RaceBannon said:
How did the Muellertards like theirs?GDS said:The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016.
Sounds like Trumptards won’t like the results of this investigation...
Found this part of the article particularly compelling. Bertrand is a good journalist and has written many good pieces on the ongoing investigation.
But the extensive interview with Steele, and the investigators’ sense that he offered new and important information, may dampen expectations among the president’s allies who’ve claimed that Steele’s sensational dossier was used improperly by the bureau to “spy” on the campaign.
Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013, when he interacted with undercover Russian intelligence agents in New York City. A trip to Moscow in the summer of 2016 further aroused the bureau’s suspicions, according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant the FBI got approved in October 2016, allowing the bureau to intercept his electronic communications.
Steele’s defenders have noted that the information he provided which made it into the FISA warrant application to monitor Page was not far off. According to Steele’s sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia’s state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting “senior members of the presidential administration” during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School.
What we do know for certain is that Hillary paid a foreign national, who received what we're now told was most likely Russian disinformation, from Russians who were connected to the Kremlin in order to impact the campaign and Mueller never looked into any of that.
We already know that the FBI acted inappropriately in their investigation of Trump. There have been people fired and demoted on account of their inappropriate actions. What we still don't know is how big a role the Russian disinformation, paid for by Hillary and the DNC, played in the investigation of Trump's campaign.
The claim is actually not pulled from my ass but from the report itself. Try reading it instead of relying on your partisan right wing sources to tell you what to think.
Your Russian disinformation bullshit is just that. A fair amount of the raw intel in the Steele dossier which was never used during the campaign (including the Page info noted in the article) has later been corroborated. Again - a lot of that is in the report which you would know if you bothered to read it.
It certainly sounds like Trumptards who were banking on the IG report to validate what they have been told by partisan right wing media sources are going to be very disappointed...
Sure seems to me that you're saying wire tap was reasonable and that they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a criminal conspiracy but there was a conspiracy. Btw, Gowdy's opinion on the appropriateness of the FBI's and Mueller's investigation has changed.
Why was no one ever charged with conspiring with the Russians? And I'd love to see that link to where you claim Mueller was hamstrung by only being able to investigate a "pre-agreed conspiracy" between Trump and the Russians. Since you claim to have read that in the report it should be easy for you to find it and quote it here.
Mueller notes in this report the multiple difficulties he had in proving that a criminal conspiracy existed including the fact some of these players reside on foreign soil thus out of his jurisdiction to question, people lying to him and people (including the president) not being very forthcoming with information.
Read the report - it's within the first part of volume 1. -
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BedintheriverFS is accusing other posters of dishonesty and avoiding the truth. When are you going to answer the questions that you have been dishonestly avoiding?Bendintheriver said:And GDS avoids the question again. Hiring anyone to collude with the Russians on your behalf is collusion with the Russians.
Why don't you want to be honest in this discussion? You have avoided the truth and made excuses for two years when this obvious collusion by Hillary took place.
I can't wait for Republicans to demand answers on why Mueller did no research into the Hillary campaigns collusion with Russia. -
He is sitting on a bombshell he claims is in the Mueller report but for some odd reason he can't cite it. Does anyone really believe that Mueller was limited in his investigation to a "pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU?" That's so clearly a line of pure bullshit even El Monte will think twice before tonguing GDS' bunghole.Bendintheriver said:And GDS avoids the question again. Hiring anyone to collude with the Russians on your behalf is collusion with the Russians.
Why don't you want to be honest in this discussion? You have avoided the truth and made excuses for two years when this obvious collusion by Hillary took place.
I can't wait for Republicans to demand answers on why Mueller did no research into the Hillary campaigns collusion with Russia.
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Overly wordy? You made an incorrect assertion about my position which I corrected, you asked me a question which I answered and asked for a citation and I told you were to find it. Quite a "tell" you have there Blob!SFGbob said:
Lot of words just to say you pulled that claim about Mueller limited to only being able to investigate a "pre-agreed conspiracy" between Trump and Russia squarely out of your ass. The real "tell" is your overly wordy response to everything but the request your were asked for.GDS said:
Au contraire, I don't know whether the wire tap was reasonable or unreasonable because I've yet to see the FISA warrant, but I do know that Page not yet bring charged with conspiracy doesn't by rule mean it was unreasonable. Interesting that Trump has teased declassifying the FISA warrant for years now but has yet to do so...bit of a tell dontcha think?SFGbob said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.GDS said:
Not even close to my position. Aren’t you the one always harping on people to stick to what you post? JFCSFGbob said:
So your position is that they nailed Page, and the Trump campaign and even Trump but they can't prove any of it. Got it.GDS said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.SFGbob said:
And yet Page, the target of the wiretap and spying was never charged with anything. Mueller was charged with looking into Russian interference with our election, not just a pre-agreed conspiracy between Trump and the Russian. You pulled that claim squarely out of your ass.GDS said:
We've been through this countless times but we can always revisit. No doubt many were disappointed that Mueller felt his scope was so limited he investigated a pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU, something no one alleged happened. The fact he investigated something no one alleged happened and found enough evidence that he couldn't exonerate members of the campaign is very concerning for the country. That he found countless examples of collusion and documents multiple instances of obstruction of justice are extremely concerning. Shocking that not a single word in the report was redacted for counter-intel purposes so the ongoing counter-intel investigation as well as the multiple other investigations spawned from the SC investigation will hopefully lead us closer to the truth this president and his team continue to try and conceal.RaceBannon said:
How did the Muellertards like theirs?GDS said:The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016.
Sounds like Trumptards won’t like the results of this investigation...
Found this part of the article particularly compelling. Bertrand is a good journalist and has written many good pieces on the ongoing investigation.
But the extensive interview with Steele, and the investigators’ sense that he offered new and important information, may dampen expectations among the president’s allies who’ve claimed that Steele’s sensational dossier was used improperly by the bureau to “spy” on the campaign.
Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013, when he interacted with undercover Russian intelligence agents in New York City. A trip to Moscow in the summer of 2016 further aroused the bureau’s suspicions, according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant the FBI got approved in October 2016, allowing the bureau to intercept his electronic communications.
Steele’s defenders have noted that the information he provided which made it into the FISA warrant application to monitor Page was not far off. According to Steele’s sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia’s state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting “senior members of the presidential administration” during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School.
What we do know for certain is that Hillary paid a foreign national, who received what we're now told was most likely Russian disinformation, from Russians who were connected to the Kremlin in order to impact the campaign and Mueller never looked into any of that.
We already know that the FBI acted inappropriately in their investigation of Trump. There have been people fired and demoted on account of their inappropriate actions. What we still don't know is how big a role the Russian disinformation, paid for by Hillary and the DNC, played in the investigation of Trump's campaign.
The claim is actually not pulled from my ass but from the report itself. Try reading it instead of relying on your partisan right wing sources to tell you what to think.
Your Russian disinformation bullshit is just that. A fair amount of the raw intel in the Steele dossier which was never used during the campaign (including the Page info noted in the article) has later been corroborated. Again - a lot of that is in the report which you would know if you bothered to read it.
It certainly sounds like Trumptards who were banking on the IG report to validate what they have been told by partisan right wing media sources are going to be very disappointed...
Sure seems to me that you're saying wire tap was reasonable and that they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a criminal conspiracy but there was a conspiracy. Btw, Gowdy's opinion on the appropriateness of the FBI's and Mueller's investigation has changed.
Why was no one ever charged with conspiring with the Russians? And I'd love to see that link to where you claim Mueller was hamstrung by only being able to investigate a "pre-agreed conspiracy" between Trump and the Russians. Since you claim to have read that in the report it should be easy for you to find it and quote it here.
Mueller notes in this report the multiple difficulties he had in proving that a criminal conspiracy existed including the fact some of these players reside on foreign soil thus out of his jurisdiction to question, people lying to him and people (including the president) not being very forthcoming with information.
Read the report - it's within the first part of volume 1. -
It's not a bombshell. It's been widely discussed and is clear to anyone who has read the report that Mueller took his scope to be much more narrow then had been previously thought.SFGbob said:
He is sitting on a bombshell he claims is in the Mueller report but for some odd reason he can't cite it. Does anyone really believe that Mueller was limited in his investigation to a "pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU?" That's so clearly a line of pure bullshit even El Monte will think twice before tonguing GDS' bunghole.Bendintheriver said:And GDS avoids the question again. Hiring anyone to collude with the Russians on your behalf is collusion with the Russians.
Why don't you want to be honest in this discussion? You have avoided the truth and made excuses for two years when this obvious collusion by Hillary took place.
I can't wait for Republicans to demand answers on why Mueller did no research into the Hillary campaigns collusion with Russia. -
Yeah, he took his scope to be limited to a "pre-agreed conspiracy" between Trump and Russia and that's why he prosecuted Manafort for tax fraud. It's all there in the Mueller report, you can also see pictures of you talking straight out of your ass in the Mueller report. You just have to read it.GDS said:
It's not a bombshell. It's been widely discussed and is clear to anyone who has read the report that Mueller took his scope to be much more narrow then had been previously thought.SFGbob said:
He is sitting on a bombshell he claims is in the Mueller report but for some odd reason he can't cite it. Does anyone really believe that Mueller was limited in his investigation to a "pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU?" That's so clearly a line of pure bullshit even El Monte will think twice before tonguing GDS' bunghole.Bendintheriver said:And GDS avoids the question again. Hiring anyone to collude with the Russians on your behalf is collusion with the Russians.
Why don't you want to be honest in this discussion? You have avoided the truth and made excuses for two years when this obvious collusion by Hillary took place.
I can't wait for Republicans to demand answers on why Mueller did no research into the Hillary campaigns collusion with Russia.
He was tasked with investigating Russian interference with our election, your claim is pure crap and if Mueller actually states what you said in the report well then Mueller was just laying the ground work for an excuse why he came up with nothing because that wasn't what he was tasked to do by the DOJ.
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Oh I made a correct assertion that you were talking out your ass when you claimed Mueller was limited to investigating only a "pre-agreed conspiracy."GDS said:
Overly wordy? You made an incorrect assertion about my position which I corrected, you asked me a question which I answered and asked for a citation and I told you were to find it. Quite a "tell" you have there Blob!SFGbob said:
Lot of words just to say you pulled that claim about Mueller limited to only being able to investigate a "pre-agreed conspiracy" between Trump and Russia squarely out of your ass. The real "tell" is your overly wordy response to everything but the request your were asked for.GDS said:
Au contraire, I don't know whether the wire tap was reasonable or unreasonable because I've yet to see the FISA warrant, but I do know that Page not yet bring charged with conspiracy doesn't by rule mean it was unreasonable. Interesting that Trump has teased declassifying the FISA warrant for years now but has yet to do so...bit of a tell dontcha think?SFGbob said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.GDS said:
Not even close to my position. Aren’t you the one always harping on people to stick to what you post? JFCSFGbob said:
So your position is that they nailed Page, and the Trump campaign and even Trump but they can't prove any of it. Got it.GDS said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.SFGbob said:
And yet Page, the target of the wiretap and spying was never charged with anything. Mueller was charged with looking into Russian interference with our election, not just a pre-agreed conspiracy between Trump and the Russian. You pulled that claim squarely out of your ass.GDS said:
We've been through this countless times but we can always revisit. No doubt many were disappointed that Mueller felt his scope was so limited he investigated a pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU, something no one alleged happened. The fact he investigated something no one alleged happened and found enough evidence that he couldn't exonerate members of the campaign is very concerning for the country. That he found countless examples of collusion and documents multiple instances of obstruction of justice are extremely concerning. Shocking that not a single word in the report was redacted for counter-intel purposes so the ongoing counter-intel investigation as well as the multiple other investigations spawned from the SC investigation will hopefully lead us closer to the truth this president and his team continue to try and conceal.RaceBannon said:
How did the Muellertards like theirs?GDS said:The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016.
Sounds like Trumptards won’t like the results of this investigation...
Found this part of the article particularly compelling. Bertrand is a good journalist and has written many good pieces on the ongoing investigation.
But the extensive interview with Steele, and the investigators’ sense that he offered new and important information, may dampen expectations among the president’s allies who’ve claimed that Steele’s sensational dossier was used improperly by the bureau to “spy” on the campaign.
Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013, when he interacted with undercover Russian intelligence agents in New York City. A trip to Moscow in the summer of 2016 further aroused the bureau’s suspicions, according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant the FBI got approved in October 2016, allowing the bureau to intercept his electronic communications.
Steele’s defenders have noted that the information he provided which made it into the FISA warrant application to monitor Page was not far off. According to Steele’s sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia’s state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting “senior members of the presidential administration” during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School.
What we do know for certain is that Hillary paid a foreign national, who received what we're now told was most likely Russian disinformation, from Russians who were connected to the Kremlin in order to impact the campaign and Mueller never looked into any of that.
We already know that the FBI acted inappropriately in their investigation of Trump. There have been people fired and demoted on account of their inappropriate actions. What we still don't know is how big a role the Russian disinformation, paid for by Hillary and the DNC, played in the investigation of Trump's campaign.
The claim is actually not pulled from my ass but from the report itself. Try reading it instead of relying on your partisan right wing sources to tell you what to think.
Your Russian disinformation bullshit is just that. A fair amount of the raw intel in the Steele dossier which was never used during the campaign (including the Page info noted in the article) has later been corroborated. Again - a lot of that is in the report which you would know if you bothered to read it.
It certainly sounds like Trumptards who were banking on the IG report to validate what they have been told by partisan right wing media sources are going to be very disappointed...
Sure seems to me that you're saying wire tap was reasonable and that they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a criminal conspiracy but there was a conspiracy. Btw, Gowdy's opinion on the appropriateness of the FBI's and Mueller's investigation has changed.
Why was no one ever charged with conspiring with the Russians? And I'd love to see that link to where you claim Mueller was hamstrung by only being able to investigate a "pre-agreed conspiracy" between Trump and the Russians. Since you claim to have read that in the report it should be easy for you to find it and quote it here.
Mueller notes in this report the multiple difficulties he had in proving that a criminal conspiracy existed including the fact some of these players reside on foreign soil thus out of his jurisdiction to question, people lying to him and people (including the president) not being very forthcoming with information.
Read the report - it's within the first part of volume 1. -
wow - I'm honestly shocked at how little you know about the report. Normal HH bullshit banter aside you should really read the report. Based on our discussion here you would be shocked as it certainly appears your media sources have lied to you about what it says and what it doesn't say. Do yourself a favor and read it.SFGbob said:
Oh I made a correct assertion that you were talking out your ass when you claimed Mueller was limited to investigating only a "pre-agreed conspiracy."GDS said:
Overly wordy? You made an incorrect assertion about my position which I corrected, you asked me a question which I answered and asked for a citation and I told you were to find it. Quite a "tell" you have there Blob!SFGbob said:
Lot of words just to say you pulled that claim about Mueller limited to only being able to investigate a "pre-agreed conspiracy" between Trump and Russia squarely out of your ass. The real "tell" is your overly wordy response to everything but the request your were asked for.GDS said:
Au contraire, I don't know whether the wire tap was reasonable or unreasonable because I've yet to see the FISA warrant, but I do know that Page not yet bring charged with conspiracy doesn't by rule mean it was unreasonable. Interesting that Trump has teased declassifying the FISA warrant for years now but has yet to do so...bit of a tell dontcha think?SFGbob said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.GDS said:
Not even close to my position. Aren’t you the one always harping on people to stick to what you post? JFCSFGbob said:
So your position is that they nailed Page, and the Trump campaign and even Trump but they can't prove any of it. Got it.GDS said:
The fact they don't believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Page was involved in a criminal conspiracy doesn't mean the wire tap was inappropriate. Libtard Trey Gowdy who read the FISA warrant noted in his opinion the FBI did exactly what they should have done considering the information they had.SFGbob said:
And yet Page, the target of the wiretap and spying was never charged with anything. Mueller was charged with looking into Russian interference with our election, not just a pre-agreed conspiracy between Trump and the Russian. You pulled that claim squarely out of your ass.GDS said:
We've been through this countless times but we can always revisit. No doubt many were disappointed that Mueller felt his scope was so limited he investigated a pre-agreed conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the GRU, something no one alleged happened. The fact he investigated something no one alleged happened and found enough evidence that he couldn't exonerate members of the campaign is very concerning for the country. That he found countless examples of collusion and documents multiple instances of obstruction of justice are extremely concerning. Shocking that not a single word in the report was redacted for counter-intel purposes so the ongoing counter-intel investigation as well as the multiple other investigations spawned from the SC investigation will hopefully lead us closer to the truth this president and his team continue to try and conceal.RaceBannon said:
How did the Muellertards like theirs?GDS said:The takeaway has irked some U.S. officials interviewed as part of the probe — they argue that it shouldn’t have taken a foreign national to convince the inspector general that the FBI acted properly in 2016.
Sounds like Trumptards won’t like the results of this investigation...
Found this part of the article particularly compelling. Bertrand is a good journalist and has written many good pieces on the ongoing investigation.
But the extensive interview with Steele, and the investigators’ sense that he offered new and important information, may dampen expectations among the president’s allies who’ve claimed that Steele’s sensational dossier was used improperly by the bureau to “spy” on the campaign.
Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013, when he interacted with undercover Russian intelligence agents in New York City. A trip to Moscow in the summer of 2016 further aroused the bureau’s suspicions, according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant the FBI got approved in October 2016, allowing the bureau to intercept his electronic communications.
Steele’s defenders have noted that the information he provided which made it into the FISA warrant application to monitor Page was not far off. According to Steele’s sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia’s state-owned oil giant Rosneft.
Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting “senior members of the presidential administration” during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School.
What we do know for certain is that Hillary paid a foreign national, who received what we're now told was most likely Russian disinformation, from Russians who were connected to the Kremlin in order to impact the campaign and Mueller never looked into any of that.
We already know that the FBI acted inappropriately in their investigation of Trump. There have been people fired and demoted on account of their inappropriate actions. What we still don't know is how big a role the Russian disinformation, paid for by Hillary and the DNC, played in the investigation of Trump's campaign.
The claim is actually not pulled from my ass but from the report itself. Try reading it instead of relying on your partisan right wing sources to tell you what to think.
Your Russian disinformation bullshit is just that. A fair amount of the raw intel in the Steele dossier which was never used during the campaign (including the Page info noted in the article) has later been corroborated. Again - a lot of that is in the report which you would know if you bothered to read it.
It certainly sounds like Trumptards who were banking on the IG report to validate what they have been told by partisan right wing media sources are going to be very disappointed...
Sure seems to me that you're saying wire tap was reasonable and that they can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a criminal conspiracy but there was a conspiracy. Btw, Gowdy's opinion on the appropriateness of the FBI's and Mueller's investigation has changed.
Why was no one ever charged with conspiring with the Russians? And I'd love to see that link to where you claim Mueller was hamstrung by only being able to investigate a "pre-agreed conspiracy" between Trump and the Russians. Since you claim to have read that in the report it should be easy for you to find it and quote it here.
Mueller notes in this report the multiple difficulties he had in proving that a criminal conspiracy existed including the fact some of these players reside on foreign soil thus out of his jurisdiction to question, people lying to him and people (including the president) not being very forthcoming with information.
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Yeah it's all right there, Rosenstein clearly tells Mueller that his investigation is limited to a "pre-agreed conspiracy" between Trump and Russia. Love the fact El Monte came running tongue your ass, only confirms that he is dumber than even I had believed. You're talking straight out of your ass just like I said from the start.
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Mueller had all the authority he needed to fully investigate anything he found during his investigation. You're talking straight out of your ass.
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It sounds like there were actually three scope memos. Regardless of what those scope memos said his report speaks for itself. Again - do yourself a favor and read it.SFGbob said:Mueller had all the authority he needed to fully investigate anything he found during his investigation. You're talking straight out of your ass.
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Sounds like you're talking a straight out of your ass and aren't going to do anything to back up your lying twat of a mouth. Go ahead Kunt, quote from Mueller's appointment letter where he was informed that his investigation was limited only to "pre-agreed conspiracy"GDS said:
It sounds like there were actually three scope memos. Regardless of what those scope memos said his report speaks for itself. Again - do yourself a favor and read it.SFGbob said:Mueller had all the authority he needed to fully investigate anything he found during his investigation. You're talking straight out of your ass.
Cue the Kunt act.
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"its been widely discussed"
Translation - Scott is making shit up again
Team Hondo is coming together nicely. Telling the same lies and using the same bullshit when caught
