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Think of the Trump Plaza hotels that could be built in Nazareth and Bethlehem and the tourism dollars that would flood in.
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YellowSnow said:
Think of the Trump Plaza hotels that could be built in Nazareth and Bethlehem and the tourism dollars that would flood in.
Ivanka and Joobs. Holy shit. I'm in. -
Spend two nights at the Wailing Wall Hotel and get third night free in the Manger!
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Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
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CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always. -
Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always. -
We are all terribly disappointed to learn trump can’t negotiate a deal. With anyone. Anywhere. On any issue.
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/dnc said:Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there. -
Yeah he should negotiate all his deals like BO did right? Bend over for Putin on missile defense and deliver 1.7 billion to the largest exporter of terrorism who turned right around and used some of those funds to further support that terrorism while we got zero in return except a stronger terrorist. I should remind you that congress determined that Obama lied about that deal but I know you don't care.CirrhosisDawg said:We are all terribly disappointed to learn trump can’t negotiate a deal. With anyone. Anywhere. On any issue.
You mean that kind of negotiating or are you daydreaming of something else you partisan simpleton? -
See? It’s not that hard to agree. Trump is incapable and lacks the competence to negotiate an agreement with anyone. Anywhere. On any Issue. You’re making progress ducktard but still have lots of issues to address.Bendintheriver said:
Yeah he should negotiate all his deals like BO did right? Bend over for Putin on missile defense and deliver 1.7 billion to the largest exporter of terrorism who turned right around and used some of those funds to further support that terrorism while we got zero in return except a stronger terrorist. I should remind you that congress determined that Obama lied about that deal but I know you don't care.CirrhosisDawg said:We are all terribly disappointed to learn trump can’t negotiate a deal. With anyone. Anywhere. On any issue.
You mean that kind of negotiating or are you daydreaming of something else you partisan simpleton? -
I'm old enough to remember when the people calling themselves conservative were better educated than the other people in the room.Sledog said:
/dnc said:Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there. -
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I'll wait for Race to jump in with "fuck off but but but".Bendintheriver said:
Yeah he should negotiate all his deals like BO did right? Bend over for Putin on missile defense and deliver 1.7 billion to the largest exporter of terrorism who turned right around and used some of those funds to further support that terrorism while we got zero in return except a stronger terrorist. I should remind you that congress determined that Obama lied about that deal but I know you don't care.CirrhosisDawg said:We are all terribly disappointed to learn trump can’t negotiate a deal. With anyone. Anywhere. On any issue.
You mean that kind of negotiating or are you daydreaming of something else you partisan simpleton? -
Some were. I think Goebbels was. Hitler, from what I recall reading about his debates with Otto Strasser and other political figures of the time, seemed @Swaye d by capitalism and private industry. Sure, he wasn't big on individual rights to the extent that individuals were expected to act in the best interests of Germany - in that he was an extreme nationalist. But his views on race and and the inherent superiority of some people over others ("race of Lords") folds in nicely with capitalism. Sure they ran herd on industry during the war; we did too. But Hitler, I believe, thought that natural selection made some people better businessmen than others. He also thought little of the working class in general, arguing forcefully that incompetent people who have "no notion of ideas or of anything" would ruin commerce and thus the economy, and he was all about the economy because he was all about Germany and German rule. Gotta have an economy first.Sledog said:
/dnc said:Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there.
Hitler was a fascist; I don't think he was a socialist. If you think that abject nationalism and subjugation of the individual to the needs of the nation equates to socialism, then you also think the current alt right nationalists are socialists, which I don't think is correct.
And, so, while there were probably some real socialists among the Nazi party ranks, there is ample evidence to suggest Hitler thought otherwise and was militantly against any road to full on communism. And if that's true - we can let @YellowSnow the Historian or @UW_Doog_Bot the Economis weigh in to confirm - then the Nazis were not socialists, because the Nazis were whatever Hitler wanted them to ben.
The word "socialist" in the Nazi party name has a whole historical context ... that's not the argument anybody makes.
What I know of Hitler from reading, his core philosophy on life and human beings does not fit well with any notion of "we should all be the same", and I think he was quite comfortable with the notion of an elite ruling class within Germany. -
Indeed there's a reason IG Farben, et al., were tried at Nuremburg.creepycoug said:
Some were. I think Goebbels was. Hitler, from what I recall reading about his debates with Otto Strasser and other political figures of the time, seemed @Swaye d by capitalism and private industry. Sure, he wasn't big on individual rights to the extent that individuals were expected to act in the best interests of Germany - in that he was an extreme nationalist. But his views on race and and the inherent superiority of some people over others ("race of Lords") folds in nicely with capitalism. Sure they ran herd on industry during the war; we did too. But Hitler, I believe, thought that natural selection made some people better businessmen than others. He also thought little of the working class in general, arguing forcefully that incompetent people who have "no notion of ideas or of anything" would ruin commerce and thus the economy, and he was all about the economy because he was all about Germany and German rule. Gotta have an economy first.Sledog said:
/dnc said:Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there.
Hitler was a fascist; I don't think he was a socialist. If you think that abject nationalism and subjugation of the individual to the needs of the nation equates to socialism, then you also think the current alt right nationalists are socialists, which I don't think is correct.
And, so, while there were probably some real socialists among the Nazi party ranks, there is ample evidence to suggest Hitler thought otherwise and was militantly against any road to full on communism. And if that's true - we can let @YellowSnow the Historian or @UW_Doog_Bot the Economis weigh in to confirm - then the Nazis were not socialists, because the Nazis were whatever Hitler wanted them to ben.
The word "socialist" in the Nazi party name has a whole historical context ... that's not the argument anybody makes.
What I know of Hitler from reading, his core philosophy on life and human beings does not fit well with any notion of "we should all be the same", and I think he was quite comfortable with the notion of an elite ruling class within Germany. -
There were strains of Socialism in pretty much all of European Fascism. The Italian Fascist as well as the German Fascists both believed in central planning, heavy state subsidies, high government spending, massive social welfare programs, yes they rejected Communism but they didn't reject Socialism. The one thing for certain is that they weren't capitalists and they definitely weren't conservatives.creepycoug said:
Some were. I think Goebbels was. Hitler, from what I recall reading about his debates with Otto Strasser and other political figures of the time, seemed @Swaye d by capitalismand private industry. Sure, he wasn't big on individual rights to the extent that individuals were expected to act in the best interests of Germany - in that he was an extreme nationalist. But his views on race and and the inherent superiority of some people over others ("race of Lords") folds in nicely with capitalism. Sure they ran herd on industry during the war; we did too. But Hitler, I believe, thought that natural selection made some people better businessmen than others. He also thought little of the working class in general, arguing forcefully that incompetent people who have "no notion of ideas or of anything" would ruin commerce and thus the economy, and he was all about the economy because he was all about Germany and German rule. Gotta have an economy first.Sledog said:
/dnc said:Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there.
Hitler was a fascist; I don't think he was a socialist. If you think that abject nationalism and subjugation of the individual to the needs of the nation equates to socialism, then you also think the current alt right nationalists are socialists, which I don't think is correct.
And, so, while there were true nationalists among the Nazi party ranks, there is ample evidence to suggest Hitler thought otherwise and was militantly against any road to full on communism. And if that's true - we can let @YellowSnow the Historian or @UW_Doog_Bot the Economis weigh in to confirm - then the Nazis were not socialists, because the Nazis were whatever Hitler wanted them to ben.
The word "socialist" in the Nazi party name has a whole historical context ... that's not the argument anybody makes.
What I know of Hitler from reading, his core philosophy on life and human beings does not fit well with any notion of "we should all be the same", and I think he was quite comfortable with the notion of an elite ruling class within Germany.
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Make Germany Great Again! wasn't a conservative movement, according to blob.SFGbob said:
There were strains of Socialism in pretty much all of European Fascism. The Italian Fascist as well as the German Fascists both believed in central planning, heavy state subsidies, high government spending, massive social welfare programs, yes they rejected Communism but they didn't reject Socialism. The one thing for certain is that they weren't capitalists and they definitely weren't conservatives.creepycoug said:
Some were. I think Goebbels was. Hitler, from what I recall reading about his debates with Otto Strasser and other political figures of the time, seemed @Swaye d by capitalismand private industry. Sure, he wasn't big on individual rights to the extent that individuals were expected to act in the best interests of Germany - in that he was an extreme nationalist. But his views on race and and the inherent superiority of some people over others ("race of Lords") folds in nicely with capitalism. Sure they ran herd on industry during the war; we did too. But Hitler, I believe, thought that natural selection made some people better businessmen than others. He also thought little of the working class in general, arguing forcefully that incompetent people who have "no notion of ideas or of anything" would ruin commerce and thus the economy, and he was all about the economy because he was all about Germany and German rule. Gotta have an economy first.Sledog said:
/dnc said:Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there.
Hitler was a fascist; I don't think he was a socialist. If you think that abject nationalism and subjugation of the individual to the needs of the nation equates to socialism, then you also think the current alt right nationalists are socialists, which I don't think is correct.
And, so, while there were true nationalists among the Nazi party ranks, there is ample evidence to suggest Hitler thought otherwise and was militantly against any road to full on communism. And if that's true - we can let @YellowSnow the Historian or @UW_Doog_Bot the Economis weigh in to confirm - then the Nazis were not socialists, because the Nazis were whatever Hitler wanted them to ben.
The word "socialist" in the Nazi party name has a whole historical context ... that's not the argument anybody makes.
What I know of Hitler from reading, his core philosophy on life and human beings does not fit well with any notion of "we should all be the same", and I think he was quite comfortable with the notion of an elite ruling class within Germany. -
Sorry O'Keefed, the NAZIs weren't Conservatives what they wanted to do was radical and extreme and no amount of chicken fucking on your part no matter what the frequency is going to change that fact.HHusky said:
Make Germany Great Again! wasn't a conservative movement, according to blob.SFGbob said:
There were strains of Socialism in pretty much all of European Fascism. The Italian Fascist as well as the German Fascists both believed in central planning, heavy state subsidies, high government spending, massive social welfare programs, yes they rejected Communism but they didn't reject Socialism. The one thing for certain is that they weren't capitalists and they definitely weren't conservatives.creepycoug said:
Some were. I think Goebbels was. Hitler, from what I recall reading about his debates with Otto Strasser and other political figures of the time, seemed @Swaye d by capitalismand private industry. Sure, he wasn't big on individual rights to the extent that individuals were expected to act in the best interests of Germany - in that he was an extreme nationalist. But his views on race and and the inherent superiority of some people over others ("race of Lords") folds in nicely with capitalism. Sure they ran herd on industry during the war; we did too. But Hitler, I believe, thought that natural selection made some people better businessmen than others. He also thought little of the working class in general, arguing forcefully that incompetent people who have "no notion of ideas or of anything" would ruin commerce and thus the economy, and he was all about the economy because he was all about Germany and German rule. Gotta have an economy first.Sledog said:
/dnc said:Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there.
Hitler was a fascist; I don't think he was a socialist. If you think that abject nationalism and subjugation of the individual to the needs of the nation equates to socialism, then you also think the current alt right nationalists are socialists, which I don't think is correct.
And, so, while there were true nationalists among the Nazi party ranks, there is ample evidence to suggest Hitler thought otherwise and was militantly against any road to full on communism. And if that's true - we can let @YellowSnow the Historian or @UW_Doog_Bot the Economis weigh in to confirm - then the Nazis were not socialists, because the Nazis were whatever Hitler wanted them to ben.
The word "socialist" in the Nazi party name has a whole historical context ... that's not the argument anybody makes.
What I know of Hitler from reading, his core philosophy on life and human beings does not fit well with any notion of "we should all be the same", and I think he was quite comfortable with the notion of an elite ruling class within Germany.
Conservatives do not support central planning and massive social welfare programs and state subsidies and high government spending. But you know who does? People on your side of the aisle O'Keefed. -
Hey would one of you democrats on here be a real pal and spend some time telling us how Hitler and the Nazi's had nothing to do with socialism? I really would appreciate it and to be honest I find it really, really funny reading all of your historical revisions and attempts to avoid the truth. Thanks again. I will sit back and read your responses now without interruption.
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National Socialists were an alternative to communists and neither as far right or as far left as both sides like to portray so their chosen team doesn't include the "bad guys". They were a "middle road" of socialism which was reaction-arily nationalist compared to the "workers of the world unite" of the far left. Some people classify them as "center-right" on the economic spectrum but I would argue(obviously from an economic freedom perspective) that they are center-left. The Nazis resembled the Commies economically more than they resembled us? or someone like Pinochet(the example of far right authoritarianism) Obviously, on the authoritarian spectrum they are about as up there as possible. Plenty of Nazi era propaganda resembles current DemSoc arguments about the need to "restrain" the free market for the good of the people and the state acting as a benevolent intermediary between market forces and the people. The CCP in China is probably the closest current regime in the world to the Nazi political spectrum location, limited free markets & state sponsored industries with high levels of authoritarianism/nationalism.creepycoug said:
Some were. I think Goebbels was. Hitler, from what I recall reading about his debates with Otto Strasser and other political figures of the time, seemed @Swaye d by capitalism and private industry. Sure, he wasn't big on individual rights to the extent that individuals were expected to act in the best interests of Germany - in that he was an extreme nationalist. But his views on race and and the inherent superiority of some people over others ("race of Lords") folds in nicely with capitalism. Sure they ran herd on industry during the war; we did too. But Hitler, I believe, thought that natural selection made some people better businessmen than others. He also thought little of the working class in general, arguing forcefully that incompetent people who have "no notion of ideas or of anything" would ruin commerce and thus the economy, and he was all about the economy because he was all about Germany and German rule. Gotta have an economy first.Sledog said:
/dnc said:Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there.
Hitler was a fascist; I don't think he was a socialist. If you think that abject nationalism and subjugation of the individual to the needs of the nation equates to socialism, then you also think the current alt right nationalists are socialists, which I don't think is correct.
And, so, while there were probably some real socialists among the Nazi party ranks, there is ample evidence to suggest Hitler thought otherwise and was militantly against any road to full on communism. And if that's true - we can let @YellowSnow the Historian or @UW_Doog_Bot the Economis weigh in to confirm - then the Nazis were not socialists, because the Nazis were whatever Hitler wanted them to ben.
The word "socialist" in the Nazi party name has a whole historical context ... that's not the argument anybody makes.
What I know of Hitler from reading, his core philosophy on life and human beings does not fit well with any notion of "we should all be the same", and I think he was quite comfortable with the notion of an elite ruling class within Germany. -
Because they utilized Keynesian wartime economies doesn’t make fascist Germany and Italy “socialist”. The rise of fascism was a reaction to bolshevism and the broader european left. “First they came for the socialists...then they came for the trade-unionists...”. They were conservative reactionaries like you, so you can drop your dumbass faux-intellectual act.SFGbob said:
There were strains of Socialism in pretty much all of European Fascism. The Italian Fascist as well as the German Fascists both believed in central planning, heavy state subsidies, high government spending, massive social welfare programs, yes they rejected Communism but they didn't reject Socialism. The one thing for certain is that they weren't capitalists and they definitely weren't conservatives.creepycoug said:
Some were. I think Goebbels was. Hitler, from what I recall reading about his debates with Otto Strasser and other political figures of the time, seemed @Swaye d by capitalismand private industry. Sure, he wasn't big on individual rights to the extent that individuals were expected to act in the best interests of Germany - in that he was an extreme nationalist. But his views on race and and the inherent superiority of some people over others ("race of Lords") folds in nicely with capitalism. Sure they ran herd on industry during the war; we did too. But Hitler, I believe, thought that natural selection made some people better businessmen than others. He also thought little of the working class in general, arguing forcefully that incompetent people who have "no notion of ideas or of anything" would ruin commerce and thus the economy, and he was all about the economy because he was all about Germany and German rule. Gotta have an economy first.Sledog said:
/dnc said:Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there.
Hitler was a fascist; I don't think he was a socialist. If you think that abject nationalism and subjugation of the individual to the needs of the nation equates to socialism, then you also think the current alt right nationalists are socialists, which I don't think is correct.
And, so, while there were true nationalists among the Nazi party ranks, there is ample evidence to suggest Hitler thought otherwise and was militantly against any road to full on communism. And if that's true - we can let @YellowSnow the Historian or @UW_Doog_Bot the Economis weigh in to confirm - then the Nazis were not socialists, because the Nazis were whatever Hitler wanted them to ben.
The word "socialist" in the Nazi party name has a whole historical context ... that's not the argument anybody makes.
What I know of Hitler from reading, his core philosophy on life and human beings does not fit well with any notion of "we should all be the same", and I think he was quite comfortable with the notion of an elite ruling class within Germany. -
With libs sueing Trump at every turn and sending Kerry to illegally advise them to not foretaste because they'll get pier babble and will kiss everyone's as like Obama did why shouldn't they drag there feet? They are the roadblock blame your comrades and can I have your mom's meatloaf recipe?CirrhosisDawg said:
See? It’s not that hard to agree. Trump is incapable and lacks the competence to negotiate an agreement with anyone. Anywhere. On any Issue. You’re making progress ducktard but still have lots of issues to address.Bendintheriver said:
Yeah he should negotiate all his deals like BO did right? Bend over for Putin on missile defense and deliver 1.7 billion to the largest exporter of terrorism who turned right around and used some of those funds to further support that terrorism while we got zero in return except a stronger terrorist. I should remind you that congress determined that Obama lied about that deal but I know you don't care.CirrhosisDawg said:We are all terribly disappointed to learn trump can’t negotiate a deal. With anyone. Anywhere. On any issue.
You mean that kind of negotiating or are you daydreaming of something else you partisan simpleton? -
Furthermore, the party evolved over time. Ernst Rohm and the SA wing of the party was more radical and left on economis as I recall, but that element was purged in 1934 with the Night of the Long Knives. Ultimately, to consolidate power, Hitler needed to have the backing of both the conservative business leader in Germany, and, of course, the Army. Rohm was seen as a threat to both and got whacked as a result. Plus he liked to diddle the young teen boi recruits.UW_Doog_Bot said:
National Socialists were an alternative to communists and neither as far right or as far left as both sides like to portray so their chosen team doesn't include the "bad guys". They were a "middle road" of socialism which was reaction-arily nationalist compared to the "workers of the world unite" of the far left. Some people classify them as "center-right" on the economic spectrum but I would argue(obviously from an economic freedom perspective) that they are center-left. The Nazis resembled the Commies economically more than they resembled us? or someone like Pinochet(the example of far right authoritarianism) Obviously, on the authoritarian spectrum they are about as up there as possible. Plenty of Nazi era propaganda resembles current DemSoc arguments about the need to "restrain" the free market for the good of the people and the state acting as a benevolent intermediary between market forces and the people. The CCP in China is probably the closest current regime in the world to the Nazi political spectrum location, limited free markets & state sponsored industries with high levels of authoritarianism/nationalism.creepycoug said:
Some were. I think Goebbels was. Hitler, from what I recall reading about his debates with Otto Strasser and other political figures of the time, seemed @Swaye d by capitalism and private industry. Sure, he wasn't big on individual rights to the extent that individuals were expected to act in the best interests of Germany - in that he was an extreme nationalist. But his views on race and and the inherent superiority of some people over others ("race of Lords") folds in nicely with capitalism. Sure they ran herd on industry during the war; we did too. But Hitler, I believe, thought that natural selection made some people better businessmen than others. He also thought little of the working class in general, arguing forcefully that incompetent people who have "no notion of ideas or of anything" would ruin commerce and thus the economy, and he was all about the economy because he was all about Germany and German rule. Gotta have an economy first.Sledog said:
/dnc said:Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there.
Hitler was a fascist; I don't think he was a socialist. If you think that abject nationalism and subjugation of the individual to the needs of the nation equates to socialism, then you also think the current alt right nationalists are socialists, which I don't think is correct.
And, so, while there were probably some real socialists among the Nazi party ranks, there is ample evidence to suggest Hitler thought otherwise and was militantly against any road to full on communism. And if that's true - we can let @YellowSnow the Historian or @UW_Doog_Bot the Economis weigh in to confirm - then the Nazis were not socialists, because the Nazis were whatever Hitler wanted them to ben.
The word "socialist" in the Nazi party name has a whole historical context ... that's not the argument anybody makes.
What I know of Hitler from reading, his core philosophy on life and human beings does not fit well with any notion of "we should all be the same", and I think he was quite comfortable with the notion of an elite ruling class within Germany. -
What does this have to do with making Palestine great again?
@CirrhosisDawg has declared defeat before the plan is announced! What is he melting down about now? -
What part of THUD! don’t you understand?RaceBannon said:What does this have to do with making Palestine great again?
@CirrhosisDawg has declared defeat before the plan is announced! What is he melting down about now? -
Add Palis to the list of pawns the left is using for political purposes
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This is kind of where you run into the limitation of even the political compass as a tool to locate people imo. Are the authoritarians wearing business suits or military uniforms? Does it even really matter? If the economy is in the hands of a few powerful people supported by the government then we aren't talking anything on the "right" of the economic spectrum even if they are technically in the "private sector". *shrug, it's mostly the semantics of political taxonomy.YellowSnow said:
Furthermore, the party evolved over time. Ernst Rohm and the SA wing of the party was more radical and left on economis as I recall, but that element was purged in 1934 with the Night of the Long Knives. Ultimately, to consolidate power, Hitler needed to have the backing of both the conservative business leader in Germany, and, of course, the Army. Rohm was seen as a threat to both and got whacked as a result. Plus he liked to diddle the young teen boi recruits.UW_Doog_Bot said:
National Socialists were an alternative to communists and neither as far right or as far left as both sides like to portray so their chosen team doesn't include the "bad guys". They were a "middle road" of socialism which was reaction-arily nationalist compared to the "workers of the world unite" of the far left. Some people classify them as "center-right" on the economic spectrum but I would argue(obviously from an economic freedom perspective) that they are center-left. The Nazis resembled the Commies economically more than they resembled us? or someone like Pinochet(the example of far right authoritarianism) Obviously, on the authoritarian spectrum they are about as up there as possible. Plenty of Nazi era propaganda resembles current DemSoc arguments about the need to "restrain" the free market for the good of the people and the state acting as a benevolent intermediary between market forces and the people. The CCP in China is probably the closest current regime in the world to the Nazi political spectrum location, limited free markets & state sponsored industries with high levels of authoritarianism/nationalism.creepycoug said:
Some were. I think Goebbels was. Hitler, from what I recall reading about his debates with Otto Strasser and other political figures of the time, seemed @Swaye d by capitalism and private industry. Sure, he wasn't big on individual rights to the extent that individuals were expected to act in the best interests of Germany - in that he was an extreme nationalist. But his views on race and and the inherent superiority of some people over others ("race of Lords") folds in nicely with capitalism. Sure they ran herd on industry during the war; we did too. But Hitler, I believe, thought that natural selection made some people better businessmen than others. He also thought little of the working class in general, arguing forcefully that incompetent people who have "no notion of ideas or of anything" would ruin commerce and thus the economy, and he was all about the economy because he was all about Germany and German rule. Gotta have an economy first.Sledog said:
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CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there.
Hitler was a fascist; I don't think he was a socialist. If you think that abject nationalism and subjugation of the individual to the needs of the nation equates to socialism, then you also think the current alt right nationalists are socialists, which I don't think is correct.
And, so, while there were probably some real socialists among the Nazi party ranks, there is ample evidence to suggest Hitler thought otherwise and was militantly against any road to full on communism. And if that's true - we can let @YellowSnow the Historian or @UW_Doog_Bot the Economis weigh in to confirm - then the Nazis were not socialists, because the Nazis were whatever Hitler wanted them to ben.
The word "socialist" in the Nazi party name has a whole historical context ... that's not the argument anybody makes.
What I know of Hitler from reading, his core philosophy on life and human beings does not fit well with any notion of "we should all be the same", and I think he was quite comfortable with the notion of an elite ruling class within Germany. -
If only anyone could govern. That would be great.RaceBannon said:Add Palis to the list of pawns the left is using for political purposes
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Why are you declaring failure over something that hasn't been announced?CirrhosisDawg said:
If only anyone could govern. That would be great.RaceBannon said:Add Palis to the list of pawns the left is using for political purposes
Where is your party on any of this? Playing to simpletons like you that are Trump Deranged
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If only you could quote me saying Germany and Italy were "Socialist" you would have penned a brutal rebuttal. But instead, all you have is a sad strawman ass fuck.HardlyClothed said:
Because they utilized Keynesian wartime economies doesn’t make fascist Germany and Italy “socialist”. The rise of fascism was a reaction to bolshevism and the broader european left. “First they came for the socialists...then they came for the trade-unionists...”. They were conservative reactionaries like you, so you can drop your dumbass faux-intellectual act.SFGbob said:
There were strains of Socialism in pretty much all of European Fascism. The Italian Fascist as well as the German Fascists both believed in central planning, heavy state subsidies, high government spending, massive social welfare programs, yes they rejected Communism but they didn't reject Socialism. The one thing for certain is that they weren't capitalists and they definitely weren't conservatives.creepycoug said:
Some were. I think Goebbels was. Hitler, from what I recall reading about his debates with Otto Strasser and other political figures of the time, seemed @Swaye d by capitalismand private industry. Sure, he wasn't big on individual rights to the extent that individuals were expected to act in the best interests of Germany - in that he was an extreme nationalist. But his views on race and and the inherent superiority of some people over others ("race of Lords") folds in nicely with capitalism. Sure they ran herd on industry during the war; we did too. But Hitler, I believe, thought that natural selection made some people better businessmen than others. He also thought little of the working class in general, arguing forcefully that incompetent people who have "no notion of ideas or of anything" would ruin commerce and thus the economy, and he was all about the economy because he was all about Germany and German rule. Gotta have an economy first.Sledog said:
/dnc said:Sledog said:
CD is in the make communism great again camp.CirrhosisDawg said:Trump’s “Ultimate Deal!”
It’s got to be bigger than the huge deals on health care, immigration, trade, North Korea denuclearization, and Mexico paying for The Wall because those never happened either.
Just ask the Palestinians (who are still in Gaza and the West Bank because they won’t negotiate with trump’s son in law).
Great THUD as always.
.NAZI's were socialists. How are people this dumb?
Communist don't like LBGTZXQY Shit one bit. Off to the gulag with them and many others. The left wanting political systems that have murdered more than 100 million people. There's the dangerous purple right there.
Hitler was a fascist; I don't think he was a socialist. If you think that abject nationalism and subjugation of the individual to the needs of the nation equates to socialism, then you also think the current alt right nationalists are socialists, which I don't think is correct.
And, so, while there were true nationalists among the Nazi party ranks, there is ample evidence to suggest Hitler thought otherwise and was militantly against any road to full on communism. And if that's true - we can let @YellowSnow the Historian or @UW_Doog_Bot the Economis weigh in to confirm - then the Nazis were not socialists, because the Nazis were whatever Hitler wanted them to ben.
The word "socialist" in the Nazi party name has a whole historical context ... that's not the argument anybody makes.
What I know of Hitler from reading, his core philosophy on life and human beings does not fit well with any notion of "we should all be the same", and I think he was quite comfortable with the notion of an elite ruling class within Germany.
